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the definition of nazi is also "someone who is cruel or who demands an unreasonable degree of obedience, or someone who has extreme and unreasonable beliefs about race" Cambridge definition

Should this be added somewhere?--AeomMai 17:12, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nazi/German terminology consistency

No consistent terminology seems to exist for differentiating the Nazi party from the Germany government during the Nazi Era. Wikipedia has entries for "Nazi Concentration Camps" that refers only to camps established under German Authority only, and "List of German Concentration Camps" which lists the same camps. We also find we find phrases like " Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union " It was the German army that invaded russia, not the Nazi party! In my opinion the term "Nazi" should be used in reference to actions and persons of the Nazi party when addressing functions taken on behalf of the party independant of the German government or military. While actions of the german government or military under Nazi control should be refered to as German actions, perhaps with modification by the word Nazi.

The phrase " Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union " should be "German invasion of the Soviet Union". A "Nazi Concentration Camp" would be a camp established and run by party members independent of the german government ( did any such camps exist?), while the well-known camp at Auschwitz should be refered to as the "German Concentration Camp" or the "Nazi-era German Concentration camp" or even the "Nazi German Concentration camp" as this was estabilished by the legitimate German Government at the time, not the party.

Consistent with this scheme, the two articles I mention above should both be renamed as "German Concentration Camps of the Nazi Era" or "List of German Concentration Camps of the Nazi Era" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.168.28.42 (talk • contribs) 19 April 2006.

I'm almost certain that I recently responded to almost the identical remark on another page. Please don't start the same policy-oriented discussion in multiple places.

"Nazi Concentration Camps" and "Nazi Extermination/Death Camps" are simply the dominant terms in English: we follow that usage. I would certainly say "German invasion of the Soviet Union", not "Nazi invasion", but I'd be 50-50 on "German occupation of France" or "Nazi occupation of France". - Jmabel | Talk 05:10, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The other place was Nazi extermination camp. -- Jmabel | Talk 15:45, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Consider: "Republican invasion of Iraq" vs. "U.S. invasion of Iraq." A pointed example, perhaps, but it wasn't just Nazi Party members who invaded the Soviet Union. --FOo 05:27, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Consider "Republican tax cuts", "Tory privatisation scheme". - Jmabel | Talk 15:45, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think it is always appropriate to follow the "dominant terms" usage when more precise language exists. This is after all an encyclopedia dedicated to accurate preservation/dissemination of knowledge, not continued representations of the vernacular . Today you can talk about the "Nazi's" with school kids and 8 out of 10 times they will not be able to tell you who they were, and I think that is due in part to the fact that the dominant terms are not precise. You and I know exactly what we are refering to, but in 20 years when someone comes across the reference to "Nazi Concentration Camps" they might not have a clear idea to what that refers. The situation is excacerbated by the fact that there is no consistent terminology used here and various terms for the same thing are used in different places. Regardless of what phrase is used we should be consistent here, the best way to accomplish that is to choose the most precise language. Edps 03:52, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Marginal conservative and libertarian texts

The proper page for marginal conservative and libertarian texts is Fascism and ideology where these matters are discussed at length. This page (and other pages) should not be used as a spam page for links to the von Mises website.--Cberlet 16:10, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dispute Flag

Why is there a dispute flag if there is no substantial discussion of a dispute?--Cberlet 19:30, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Seeing none, I have removed it Mrmaroon25

Name of this article

Why is this article named “Nazism” and not “National Socialism”? Official name is/was “National Socialism”. Also, both on Encarta and Britannica article on this subject is named “National Socialism”. I’m suggesting moving this article on National Socialism and current article on National Socialism to National Socialism (disambiguation). -- Vision Thing -- 14:56, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not attempt to do this name change without a substantial discussion. I note that for several days you have unilaterally been going from page to page changing references to "Nazism" to "national socialism." I also note that this has been objected to and reverted, sometimes by me. This appears to be part of a larger effort on your part to argue that Nazism is a form of socialism. This is not a new debate. There is always room for discussion, but please seek constructive consensus rather than starting a revert war.--Cberlet 21:37, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is a personal attack and not an argument about the issue. -- Vision Thing -- 08:17, 3 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, it is not ad hominem to factually point out that you are engaging in aggressive and disruptive editing on several pages. It would be ad hominem if I said that all editors should ignore what you post because you are a jackass. That would be ad hominem.--Cberlet 22:03, 3 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I support renaming this article to "National Socialism". -- Drogo Underburrow 22:34, 3 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nazism is a term that specifically refers to the German National Socialist party, in the context of this article "Nazism" is the correct title. Edps 04:06, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Term that specifically refers to the German National Socialist party is the National Socialist German Workers Party. As you can see, article about them is called the National Socialist German Workers Party, not the Nazi Party. -- Vision Thing -- 15:28, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well... Google Fight says National Socialism (16.4 million) > Nazism (5.8 million) results,,,we have a clear victor --Shandris 17:00, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Good point. We need to be consistant. Since there is no "Nazi Party" page, neither should there be a "Nazism" page. This page should be titled "National Socialism" which is better than "Nazism", which is more colloquial, and possibly disparaging. Drogo Underburrow 15:44, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. The article is specifically about philosophy of the German NSDAP (the "Nazi Party") and follow-on groups, it is not about National Socialism a term that is more general than the context of this article. I can't think of a better term than "Nazism", and it is my impression that the word is pretty universal and not colloquial. "Nazi" is a common abbreviation of NSDAP and was commonly used (though not prefered) in germany and world wide throughout the period they were in power in germany. In fact the NSDAP page says "better known as the Nazi Party", titling that page the NSDAP is an example of using the more accurate term over the more common one - I certainly support that, but in this case I don't think there is a more accurate term for this article other than "the philosophy of the NSDAP" which is a little unwieldy. Edps 23:34, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]