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Thanks

Hi AmiDaniel, thanks for supporting my request for adminship! Unfortunately, it ended with a final tally of 45/15/2, no consensus. I may have another go in the near future, once the school year is over. Thanks again! (by the way, I am male =P) -- getcrunkjuice^contribs 22:06, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree – most objections were irrelevant. Oh well, I will try again in July. RE: PS: I disabled section links to try and make it harder for vandals who want to mess up my previous discussions. -- getcrunkjuice^contribs 19:52, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Isn't 45 (when compared to 15) more than a majority? — Nathan ^{(Got something to say? Say it.)} 19:04, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Ditto? whats the deal?Eagle talk 21:07, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

75% support on an RfA is a pretty tough call, especially given that the "rule" is 75-80% to promote. I think no consensus was probably the correct decision here as there was clear dissent and clear support--it would have taken 15 supports to bring it up to 80%. But what do I know? I'm not a 'crat, not even an admin yet :). AmiDaniel (talk) 21:14, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

SHM

I just got around to testing out the tool and it worked fine. One small detail though, on the target page, I had two deleted edits which caused the tool not to restore the page after the page move (step 4). I was hoping that it would be able to still restore the page, including all of the edits. Does this go under your "NOTE: This tool currently can only handle SIMPLE history merges. Anything requiring selective undeletion or article-history splicing must still be done by hand." clause? When I tried merging two pages without any deleted edits it worked exactly as advertised. I am sure this tool will help quite a few admins (and me, if I ever start doing history merges). --PS2pcGAMER (talk) 04:38, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Hmm ... I'm not sure why having two deleted edits would disable it from restoring the page. Perhaps I need to purge the cache after deleting? Let me run a couple more trials on the test.wiki and see if I can get to the bottom of it, as this should not fall under the simple merge clause (unless you wanted those two edits to remain deleted after the merge). Thanks for testing it for me! I really appreciate it. AmiDaniel (talk) 05:20, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I was testing to see if all of the edits would be restored. Thanks again! --PS2pcGAMER (talk) 07:16, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to test out this tool- History merges are a pain.--Kungfu Adam ^(talk) 12:44, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Feel free to try it out. It's located at User:AmiDaniel/SHM. Note that PS2pcGAMER found some minor problems with it, but for the most part it seems to be working; I could certainly use a few more testers. AmiDaniel (talk) 03:12, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Paging AmiDaniel.

I think you know what to do. --Avillia ^{(Avillia me!)} 00:04, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

You do know what to do, right? --Avillia ^{(Avillia me!)} 00:19, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm a little busy right now. Feel free to leave me a message though. AmiDaniel (talk) 00:35, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

How dare you be busy. Bother me on my talk when you, well, aren't. --Avillia ^{(Avillia me!)} 00:43, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

You no longer have a excuse to be busy. --Avillia ^{(Avillia me!)} 02:09, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

You don't have any time for me anymore! Always on and on with that stupid VandalProof! Can't even get on IRC for a moment for a brilliant plan! You make me sick! --Avillia ^{(Avillia me!)} 03:05, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

This is why you should at least somewhat pay attention to when I need to talk to you. --Avillia ^{(Avillia me!)} 03:27, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

I already told you that I didn't want you using the tool--I don't understand why you went and re-added yourself despite that. I'm not sure there's really anything to talk about here. I also notice that you're still using FreeAWB despite stating that you would not, and I've also been noticing a lot of your trolling bad jokes floating around. Frankly, there's not much speaking on your behalf at the moment. AmiDaniel (talk) 03:32, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, I know (or it was at least implied) that my edit-count was a fairly-decent sized part of why I was turned down, and I couldn't get ahold of you, so I gave it another shot when I saw you active. As to the last two pieces; People seem to be thinking my jokes are better, and I haven't been using FreeAWB. It would clearly say "using [[User:Avillia|FreeAWB]]" after it had I been. --Avillia ^{(Avillia me!)} 03:40, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Edit count is relatively unimportant when it comes to sizing up responsible editors, and while it may have been implied that your edit count would effect my decision, this simply isn't the case. Also, I have a hard time believing that you made these edits by hand. AmiDaniel (talk) 03:59, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

User:Gurch/Spelling. Pick a pair and I'll video me doing it using Camtasia Studio. Also, no, editcount isn't much important at all. However, one of the strong suggestions to be allowed to use VandalProof is having a editcount over 250 in the mainspace. --Avillia ^{(Avillia me!)} 04:10, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Giving it one last time hoping this sacrifice shall honor you. --Avillia ^{(Avillia me!)} 05:41, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank-you

The count is in, and now I join the crew who wield the mops and pails. Thanks for your support! I pledge to serve both you and Jimbo Wales. If you have anything you need, then please don't think to hesitate. For I am the very model of a grateful admin designate! ♫Bucketsofg✐♪

WikiCops

AmiDaniel doesn't like over zealous Wikipedia Cops deleting articles prematurely.

Noles1984 15:45, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Me neither. And I hate users who delete so many templates. eisenhower ^UTCEQ 16:19, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

I have to say I really don't appreciate your posting this blatantly offensive and intentionally confrontational userbox on my talk page. While I wish that some administrators would place more emphasis on process, I still believe that they are doing what they think is best for the encyclopedia, and I would not resort to attacking them or referring to them as "overzealous Wikipedia cops"--I'd hope that you would do the same. I'd really prefer to stay out of the userbox debates altogether as I find them to be quite absurd and an incredible waste of time--I honestly wouldn't care if the whole lot got deleted or if every userbox was allowed to stay. If you take issue with the way that some articles and templates are deleted, then attacking every deletionist (a category into which I could arguably fall myself) is not the way to go about changing it. Please don't jump to conclusions about people and post similar attack boxes on their talk pages; it's not going to get you anywhere. AmiDaniel (talk) 23:27, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Excuse me from Noles1984

The userbox you received was an error. When reading a post in my talk section I thought you had stated you liked it and wanted it. It was not you, but another user! There was no attack on you. Simply delete the userbox as I am a fervent believer that one should be allowed to delete messages on talk pages that are in error. You sure went to a lot of trouble to shame me. Maybe too much. I hope you will accept the apology Thank you. Noles1984 13:37, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

(sticks foot in mouth) In that case, perhaps I should be the one apologizing--I immediately jumped to the conclusion that you had been mass-posting these on user talk pages without looking through your contribs to verify my unfounded belief (I had just become a victim of the good-faith cowstar spamming seconds earlier, so I was a little jumpy about the whole thing.) It was not my intention to "shame" you, and I'm sorry it came across as such, though I do still stand by my opinion that such userboxes are not the way to go about invoking a change. AmiDaniel (talk) 02:00, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

====</nowiki>) would count, I thought only level 3 (==) mattered. Sorry about that. Prodego ^talk 23:44, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

It's no problem at all. I'm just glad we got it sorted out, and it wasn't anything too cataclysmic. AmiDaniel (talk) 02:02, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Vandalproof Question

I couldn't find the answer in the help pages so... I see you added a vandal to WP:AIV automatically using VandalProof. What procedure does one follow to do so? Thanks - Your brother in arms, Nrbelex ^(talk) 02:56, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

The Report to AIV feature has given people a few problems, so please be careful using it. Whenever you navigate to a user talk page or view a diff, you will see a username in the (yellow/green/red) bar at the top; if you click "Report to AIV" under User Tools, it will prompt you for a description of the vandal and then proceed to post the alert on AIV. If you need any more help with anything, feel free to ask--though I might add that if you post such queries on /VP/Discuss you'll likely get a quicker response. HTH AmiDaniel (talk) 03:05, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Super Toad

Hi, its the noob who vandalized something and didn't know that it was. Anyway, I would like to request an article. Please make an article for my site and title it "Green Frog Studios" the site is on www.thesupertoad.com and I will add anything to it. Thnx Jlhc Oh and if you cant please foward this message to somebody who can/ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jlhc (talk • contribs) 03:02, 22 May 2006 (UTC).

The article was deleted as an uncontested prod; thus, you can gladly recreate it yourself. I might, however, note that the article would have a very, very slim chance of surviving an AfD, so it's likely not in your best interest to recreate it. I'd also note that Wikipedia discourages autobiographical articles, and I'd like to recommend that you keep the article in your userspace. Thanks. AmiDaniel (talk) 03:02, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Jim Fraser

The version up now is about the pol. If reversion continues to be a problem, we may want to seek s/protection. cheers :) Dlohcierekim 04:12, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Jim Senor Fraser

The article about the coach is back up as Jim Senor Fraser. Should we renominate for AfD?? Article claims "he competed for the nation in the Pan-Am Games." That makes him notable, right? W were going to delete this the first time around. Cheers,  :) Dlohcierekim 04:18, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure of the entire history behind these articles--I just closed the AfD on Jim Fraser; however, Jim Senor Fraser seems to be quite unnotable, and the article is wholely unsourced. I've listed that one on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jim Senor Fraser; however, the other one I think we should just leave be--its notability is quite marginal, but having survived an AfD, it seems unnecessary to bring it back. AmiDaniel (talk) 04:28, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

As for Jim Fraser, so long as it can be kept in its current version, I think bringing it to AfD is completely unnecessary. If the edit warring gets extravagant we can look into getting User:JohnJacobs blocked for 3RR for 24hrs, or we can request protection of the article. AmiDaniel (talk) 04:32, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Wait, now I'm confused. You stated on JohnJacobs' talk page that his version of the article was reposted content deleted through AfD. Which article was that? I can't find it in any deletion logs. AmiDaniel (talk) 04:36, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

I see you're in on the Senor Fraser fray as well. BTW, great work on 1.2. I've been using it all day and it's awesome. I asked Dlohcierekim if he had AIM so we could coordinate this one, cause I think there's going to be two or three users besides JohnJacobs working on this one. I can explain your question above. JohnJacobs overwrote the original text at Jim Fraser, so that's why it got nominated for AFD. After the AFD failed and it was reverted to the real article, he pulled the information that was there to it's new home at Jim Senor Fraser, which I tagged NPOV and gave him a chance to make it better. KC9CQJ 04:41, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh, okay, that's what I thought happened. I thought Dlo implied that his article was reposted content, in which case it could easily just be speedied under G4. I think an AfD on his other article is probably the best way to go about this, so long as JJ doesn't continue his wheel-warring and edit-warring. AmiDaniel (talk) 04:44, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Is it possible to remove users from the global white/black list?

Take this example... 12.159.57.2 (talk · contribs · count) is a reformed vandal:-)Eagle talk 04:33, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Just uncheck the name and then click Update Global List--it will save only the names that are checked. I originally had it so that only moderators could remove names, but I think I trust the other VP users well enough :-). AmiDaniel (talk) 04:34, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. and note, Jim Fraser and Jim 'Senor' Fraser just got WHEELS(pun intended) JohnJacob just swaped the two articles:-(... and check out the edit summery for the one.... here is the [history]. Eagle [user_talk:Eagle 101|talk] 04:38, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I already noticed that. Why can't people can just edit in a responsible fashion, or through discussion with others? AmiDaniel (talk) 04:40, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

WHY would you want to do that... after all, all you got to do is keep putting you "right" versions up and wikipedia will bow to your will... right... It makes me mad, but sometimes I just laugh about how people can get into there own little "boxes". Eagle talk 04:42, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Globel W/B list

I just realized something... If I remove person X from the list it will update(good so far), but what happens when VP user Y reloads his list with the global list??? X is back on... so there is no point in removal:-(Eagle talk 04:54, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I know. I had thought about that, but the only solutions were rather coplicated. I guess we could put out an All points bulletin: "Everyone remove so-and-so," which may or may not work (unless it were a "forced" all points bulletin). Let me think on it a bit; I'm realizing I'm gonna have to pipe out a minor revision within the next few days, so I can try to incorporate some alternative. AmiDaniel (talk) 04:58, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea... Think of this one... X adds jimbo to the list... Y and Z download the global list... Z realizes jimbo is on, and removes him... Y now updates his list, through no fault of Y(besides not looking over 500 usernames... or more as the list gets bigger) Y added jimbo back to the list. You see this pattern right?Eagle talk 05:04, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I get the pattern. How about this for a solution: Mods can add an argument to the global list that forces the removal of certain users from all local lists. If you have Jimbo on your local list, and a mod has added the No Jimbo argument, when you load Import/Export it prompts you "Jimbo has been automatically removed from your blacklist" and then takes him off. Sound good? AmiDaniel (talk) 05:08, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes... but, you do realize how big that list is going to get if we don't come up with a better way to take off indefinatly blocked vandals, reformed vandals, and mistake reverts. (you revert me by mistake, don't go in your blacklist and remove me(agian not all the time do you think of it... or you don't realize you made a mistake until say 2 days after) any way you update the black list and put me on the global list... 25 other VP users download this list. how are you going to remove me?? (I used myself as an example... put any honest wikipedian in and you get the same results).Eagle talk 05:16, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm not familiar with the BL function much at all, but how about...

• A global list is maintained by the moderators of VandalProof. Very specific, very relavant. Categorize vandals based on time since last warning?
• Seperate blacklists, maintained by each user, managed in the same fashion as the vandalism log (IE User:Avillia/VPBlacklist).
• A interface is added to VandalProof for treestyle check-to-include blacklisting.

• Ergo, it starts with User:AmiDaniel/VP/Masterlist/Blacklist, and you add trusted users to your blacklist addition.
• You can check the box next to a single user, and it checks all the Blacklist entries that user has.
• You can also configure automatic updates, and submit specific BL entries for addition to the global list.

• You could also implement the same for Whitelisting.

Presto. Another brilliant Avillidea(tm). --Avillia ^{(Avillia me!)} 05:25, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

A quickly and poorly made example of what I mean.--Avillia ^{(Avillia me!)} 05:46, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Is that programmatically possible?? Another "Eagle Question"(tm)Eagle talk 05:31, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I guess I should rephrase... AmiDaniel, are you willing to program according to that scheme... (that was what I meant above, implied was is that programatically possible in such a way that you are willing to invest the effort) Should I trade mark this too??Eagle talk 05:51, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh, boy. I don't know--I think I'd prefer to stick to the old K.I.S.S philosophy here; while I appreciate Avillia's suggestion, it sounds like an awful lot of work. I'm going to toy around with my idea of the forced removal list and see if I have any luck there; if my method winds up being implausible, I'll reconsider the above. Thanks for your suggestions! AmiDaniel (talk) 02:03, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Edgar Wind

Hi, I removed my own material from the Wind page as suggested on its talk page. I'm working to replace it with better reserach as soon as possible. Lewallen 05:53, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Warning removed. See Incorrectly Reverted Edits or the user's talk page for more information. AmiDaniel (talk) 05:58, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

A Pimp Named Slickback

The character has become notable as a result of his satirical representation of the pimp image in pop culture. He is often quoted on internet sites and is overall a humorous and significant aspect of the cartoon. The source of this article is the show itself. http://www.adultswim.com/shows/boondocks/ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Vk231 (talk • contribs) 06:14, 22 May 2006 (UTC).

Alright, if you believe the topic to be notable enough, I'll take your word for it as I'm not particularly familiar with the subject matter. I've removed the prod tag and replaced it instead with a {{cleanup}} tag instead. If you need help with it or anything else on Wikipedia, feel free to contact me. AmiDaniel (talk) 06:14, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

hey

Thanks for the welcome, AmiDaniel, and for all the great help tools. Enough to keep me busy studying for quite a while! Caelifera 06:57, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

No problem! Again, feel free to contact me if you need help with anything. AmiDaniel (talk) 06:58, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

I will, AmiDaniel. Is it okay to talk to you about other things or if I just feel like chatting? Caelifera 07:04, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

AmiDaniel, would you mind if I used your 'box' at the top of the page. I like it and it is exactly how I feel about free speech and not controlling other's behavior. Thanks, Caelifera 08:39, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry for my slow response. Yes, please feel free to use my box--the nice thing about GFDL is that you don't even have to ask ;-). (In fact, the box I have is just a slightly modified template.) As for chatting, I'd really prefer to keep discussion on Wikipedia about Wikipedia, though conversations do often have a tendency to get a little off-topic. AmiDaniel (talk) 08:48, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

VandalProof

Should I put my request to be able to use VandalProof in its alphabetical position on the request list? Thanks,

Jean-Paul 13:35, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Please reply on my talk page. I have got to go!

Your RfA is done!

I've just finished your nomination. Feel free to tell me about anything you want me to add to my comments. When you've answered the questions and accepted the nomination, make it go live by transcluding it at the *TOP* (I forgot this) of all the nominations on the page. Thanks, and good luck! Werdna_T^c_@^b_C^m_L^t 19:37, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I just answered the questions, accepted, and transclude it onto the main page (if I did anything wrong, please let me know). I didn't fill in the date for your support, as I figured the note was for you rather than me; however, I did fill in the closing time for the debate. Thanks again for nominating me! I hope that others in the community support me in this task as well. AmiDaniel (talk) 22:41, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

That's good. It's looking up. Werdna_T^c_@^b_C^m_L^t 23:31, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

I go on Wikibreak and nobody tells me anything. Hmph. — Nathan ^(talk) 21:36, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Trouble

Have a look at my talk pageEagle talk 02:31, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

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Wingin' It Entry (marked for deletion)

I updated the talk page for this entry to (hopefully) help justify this article. Could you please explain exactly what about it justifies it's deletion? --Hvanbrug 05:41, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

I personally have a very hard time understanding what the article is about--I did not even know it was about a show until I read your post on the talk page. But, in any case, as you've stated your intention with this article, I've replaced the speedy deletion tag with a proposed deletion tag. If you can improve the article and make it read more like an encyclopedia article, then please remove the prod tag once you're done or request that some else do this for you. If the PROD tag remains in place for five days it will be deleted, and if the PROD tag is removed but I or someone else still believes the article does not merit inclusion, s/he will bring it to WP:AfD where the community will discuss the article and reach a conclusion. You may want to check out the manual of style to see what is expected of Wikipedia articles, and you might also read through Wikipedia:Deletion to find out what criteria articles have to live up to in order to remain on the site. If you have any questions or need help with anything, please feel free to contact me. I wish you the best of luck in improving the article! AmiDaniel (talk) 05:53, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

It is my turn to thank you for reverting vandalism on my user page. --PS2pcGAMER (talk) 06:09, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

No problem :-). AmiDaniel (talk) 06:11, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you, Jean-Paul 08:13, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Comments from Theproducer85

im sorry. -i was just joking around. i wont do that again.

-but cant i do a page on me? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Theproducer85 (talk • contribs) 08:58, 23 May 2006 (UTC).

It's no problem--I'm glad that you've chosen to stop vandalizing and to start contributing positively to Wikipedia. You can gladly create an article about yourself within your own userspace, i.e. on your userpage; however, you need to be careful not to add information about yourself to the main article namespace, as it simply does not belong there. If you need any help or have any other questions, please feel free to ask. AmiDaniel (talk) 08:58, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

yeah ok but what kind of articled can i write in the encyclopedia section? if its a person, do they have to be famous? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Theproducer85 (talk • contribs) 09:16, 23 May 2006 (UTC).

In order for a topic to merit inclusion in the main article namespace it must live up to certain standards of notability, or else it will be deleted. The best guideline for deciding whether or not a person is notable enough to warrant an article is Wikipedia:Notability (people). Please read over the guideline carefully before creating an article about a person, as failure to abide by the guideline will likely result in the article being quickly removed. Also, as a side note, I would appreciate if you could please sign your posts with four tildes, like so: ~~~~. That will produce your username and the date and time, which makes discussions much easier to follow. Thanks. AmiDaniel (talk) 09:16, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

question

Theproducer85 09:26, 23 May 2006 (UTC) -like that

can i post redirects, can i post new articles and redirect them to other articles like for example if a person goes by two names, like if the article is like puff daddy, can i post a new article named "diddy" and put a redirect link, redirecting it to the "puff daddy" article? -(thats just like an example, so then people can type in "puff daddy" or "diddy" and still go to the same article.

Yes, that's quite simple. Simply create the Diddy article (as an example here only, I realize that Diddy has already been created) with the following text:

 #REDIRECT[[Puff Daddy]]

It's best to avoid creating double redirects, however, pages that redirect to redirects, as that can be quite frustrating. HTH AmiDaniel (talk) 09:31, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

right but in this case, the certain artist goes by a different name now, so people would most likely type in "diddy" instead of the other old one. like if somebody changes their name or alias, and people wont know where theyre listed in? Theproducer85 09:37, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, that's what redirects do. They enable a user to type in Diddy and be taken to the article they were actually looking for. In the case of Diddy, however, it will take them to a disambiguation page where they will see the article on Sean Combs. AmiDaniel (talk) 09:50, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

VandalProof

I have added the {{subst:test1a-n}} template to my talk page to tell a helper I need help. Obviously, VandalProof says I have a vandalism warning. If I remove this template, once I have finished with the help, will VandalProof still say that I have recieved a Vandalism warning?

Thanks, Jean-Paul 16:53, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

No, it only recognizes warnings that are currently on your talk page, though I am working on a sort of rapsheet thing to use in the future to make it more accurate and efficient. AmiDaniel (talk) 19:34, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

VP and TB2

Would it be possible to hardcode VandalProof NOT to leave any warning messages on Tawkerbot2's talk page, I've had a few accidential ones so far and it is just a tiny bit annoying (no point in warning the vandal buster is there :) -- Tawker 17:24, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Warnings might be a good indication to a administrator if the bot is going kinky. --Avillia ^{(Avillia me!)} 17:34, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Consider it done; I strongly doubt there's any legitimate reason to warn Tawkerbot2. Keep in mind that VP's not a bot, so any warnings TB2 receives are (assuming good faith) accidental postings by users, and I can only program the app, not the users :-). I'm also thinking that, if TB2 is receiving warnings, then I bet many of his edits are being reverted--I think I may code in something to prompt you when you try to revert a change by a whitelisted user; perhaps that will help cut down the learning curve a bit. Also, does TB2 break everytime he receives a post on his talk page? I'm guessing not, as that would make it pretty easy for someone to put him out of commission, but if it does, then I really am sorry for each of the warnings he got in error. And on yet another sidenote, when's TB2 going to get his magical flag? As impressed as I am seeing him work, I think he's had a long enough review period and demonstrated himself to be 99.99% accurate, and I'd kinda like to be able to hide his edits from RC. Anyway, sorry about the inconvenience, and I hope this works out. AmiDaniel (talk) 19:30, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

I believe Tawkerbot2 is not going to get a bot flag, since that would hide its edits from the recent changes page. And since it could easily make a mistake, and since its reverts are things that vandal fighters want to know about, that would be a bad thing to do. Prodego ^talk 19:40, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh, really? I thought he was just having a review period, and then he'd get one. Well I, for one, don't have much interest reviewing TB2's edits, as I've never once found him making an error, but if the bot approval group said he's not getting one, then I guess that's that. In any case I usually hide WL edits, so it's not that big of a deal for me either way. AmiDaniel (talk) 19:45, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

I personally like seeing Tawkerbot2's edits, so I can blacklist whoever it warns. ;-) Prodego ^talk 19:49, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Merci beaucoup!

Thank you, AmiDaniel! Thank you for voting for my recent RfA, which passed (to my extreme surprise and shock) with a total tally of 66/15/2. For that, I would like to thank you and offer a helping hand in any admin-related tasks that may be required -- it's as simple as leaving a message on my talkpage. Thanks again! -→Buchanan-Hermit™/!? 22:36, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

removal from list of VP users

Hi, VandalProof is a great program, but not exactly what I was looking for... please remove me from the list of users, but do keep up the good work... - Adolphus79 00:37, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Done. AmiDaniel (talk) 01:32, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Whodunit

I have Vandalproof installed and working, but Whodunit gives an error "can't find article" when I try Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Today and occasionally with other pages, do I need to put it in the same directory as VandalProof, was it connection problem (My IE browser showed a page, then said it couldn't and shifted to an error page several times last night) or is there some bug I don't know about. Please leave a note on my talk page. - Mgm|^(talk) 09:08, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Wow! I didn't know anyone was actually using that. Anyway, it doesn't need to be in the same directory as VP--the two aren't really at all related beyond being built on the same platform and using similar components. Are you having problems with JavaScript error messages using either? And, just to go out on a limb, there are a lot of tools, such as Lupin's popups, that have problems with IE, giving errors such as "cannot read data," etc. If that's the case for you, you may just have to try it again after you get those errors, or you could try blanking your monobook. I put up with the errors just because I love popups so much, but I do wish Lupin could find a way to fix it. Anyway, I hope this helps. AmiDaniel (talk) 09:15, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

• Whodunit is quite useful for tracking down who posted a non-signed submission to WP:AFC. :) I don't get any errors in the Internet Explorer when using popups. It's only Whodunit that is not getting along. I use quite a lot of my monobook, so wiping it is not an option, if it's a script error, perhaps I need to put a copy of the VP script error patch in the same directory as Whodunit? - Mgm|^(talk) 09:23, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm dumb... Whodunit? It sounds, from here, like something that figures out who edited comments. Since I gotta derail discussion, where is it and how much do I need to bribe someone to get it? --Avillia ^{(Avillia me!)} 21:18, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, that's what it is, a tool that figures out who added what comment--I apologize for the ridiculous name, but it sounded good at the time. Alright, let me see if I can get the link right the first time: User:AmiDaniel/Whodunit (nope), User:AmiDaniel/WhodunitQuery (yay!). Even you are allowed to use it :-). AmiDaniel (talk) 21:22, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

remember these?

The following icons are used to identify the status of bugs:
= the bug has been resolved in the current release, or it was not a bug at all. = the bug has been fixed in the next release. = the bug has not yet been fixed = more information is needed to resolve the issue.

I hate to push, but these are very nice to tell what is going on in different bug reports. Please use them, or at the least leave a comment at the end of each report so I can tell what you think the status is:-) thanksEagle talk 21:05, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Wingin' It Take two

I have just updated the Wingin' It article that was marked for deletion a few days ago. I was wondering if, at your leisure, you could check it out and let me know if this is getting closer to where it needs to be or if there are still things that need to be added or changed before it can stay in the pedia. By no means do I think this article is complete, but I obviously can't get it there in five days. Thanks for your time and input. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hvanbrug (talk • contribs) 09:29, 25 May 2006 (UTC).

Alright! Now that looks more like an encyclopedia article! I removed your signature from the bottom of the article as none of these article's really belong to anyone since anyone can edit them, and I sorted it as broadcasting stub (It's debatable whether or not the article truly is a stub, but having it sorted as such will likely bring others to expand the article even further). I no longer have any intention of bringing the article to AfD as I think you've done a good job cleaning it up. Sorry about how frustrating it is to have someone immediately slaping delete tags on your articles, but it's about the only way to take care of maintanance issues on Wikipedia (you wouldn't believe how much true rubbish gets deleted every day). The best way to avoid similar situations in the future would be to start working on articles in your sandbox and then move them into mainspace when the time is right. Again, I'm always here if you need help with anything, so feel free to ask. AmiDaniel (talk) 09:29, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. You are right. An article should be started in the sandbox. The truth is that I don't know what I am doing. I guess I'll get the hang of it as I go.

Wombat!

Just leave the wombat! It's a real reference to something young, idiotic people do. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tommy4bz (talk • contribs) 23:10, 25 May 2006 (UTC).

Return comment

My apologies...It wasn't my intent to remove content, and I wasn't aware that I had. I only recently discovered Wikipedia, and I've been trying to add important things and correct some horrible misspellings and incomplete sentences. I've worked in Pittsburgh sports for several years, and was hoping to keep things factually correct. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 141.158.69.59 (talk • contribs) 23:09, 25 May 2006 (UTC).

That's no problem at all! There's absolutely nothing wrong with making a few mistakes--we all do. I certainly appreciate your efforts on Wikipedia and hope that you will continue editing. Just a couple of tips: If you could please sign your posts (not your articles) with four tildes, like so: ~~~~, that will produce your username (or IP address in this case) and the date/time, which makes it a lot easier to follow conversations and respond to questions without having to dig through page histories. Also, using edit summaries with your edits will alert other editors of what changes you have made and will prevent your edits from being reverted. Thanks for your message, and happy editing! Feel free to contact me if you need help with anything. AmiDaniel (talk) 23:09, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Recreation of Bird Store Article

Hi i am clauth of a bird III owner off clauth of a birds dairy products. I got my asistent to make a page on wiki about my store . So then he calls me and tells me that its being deleted. Then i try making it and its still being deleted. It said that it was non sense. And i half to tell that it is not nonsense . I am a hard working man this store has bin past down to me. And deleting its article would be like spiting in the face of all my ansesters. and that is not right so i damand that you stop delleting my information about my store NOW!!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Motorox (talk • contribs) 23:04, 25 May 2006 (UTC).

Wikipedia is not a free adserver. Please stop recreating the article. If you disagree with its deletion then seek a deletion review, as repeatedly recreating it is vandalism and will result in your being blocked. AmiDaniel (talk) 23:04, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi you have bin recently deleting the information about my store Clufth of a bird dairy products. So i just wanted to tell you thaT i run a serieos buisness. IT is not a joke. YOu can not make fun of it by calling it nonsense. and i would really apreciate it if you took my buisness seriusly and keep the page up

I am Clufth of a bird III i am a very rich man i can buy and sell your ass and if you dont take me seriously i will

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Motorox (talk • contribs) 23:37, 25 May 2006 (UTC).

Well, if you haven't noticed this is the Free Encyclopedia, money doesn't matter here. What matters is the quality of the encyclopedia. If you want adspace, then you're going to have to pay for it, and Wikipedia won't be the one providing it to you. If you would like to discuss the matter in a professional manner, I'll be glad to respond. But please refrain from attacking me, or you will not receive a reply in the future. AmiDaniel (talk) 23:37, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

I wonder how much Jimbo could get for you on the open market... I think the above must be a joke; the combination of ortography and syntax doesn't, to me, suggest non-native speaker but, instead, native speaker feigning a less-than-proficient command of the English language; it's not great satire, of course, but it'll do, I suppose. Also, if he elects to purchase only your ass, may I buy a kidney; the removal of the latter is surely much less intrusive than that of the former... Joe 23:58, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Re: Stop it!

Poor AmiDaniel... I have days like that too!--digital_me_{(Talk)(Contribs)} 01:25, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Don't worry AmiD, admin rollback is much' faster, and if all goes well you will have it soon. As a bonus it tells you if it failed to revert, unlike other tools. I see I caused the one oppose on your RfA, sorry about that :-( Prodego ^talk 01:30, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Mwuhahaha, but just wait until I reveal my new VP with an RSS-feed that uses precached Wiki API history to revert edits that I spent all night working on :-). It is suhweeeeet, and ohh so fast. Revert's still lagging just a tad bit behind, but my god I can go through 50 edits in a minute, and it also warns me if my revert failed just like admin rollback. :-) AmiDaniel (talk) 01:33, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Sounds nice! Is that last Javascript bug going to be fixed as well? I get one error on start up, have you found out what causes that yet? Prodego ^talk 01:37, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, I thought I fixed it the last time, but apparently not. The error is actually resulting from nothing that I'm doing, it's a JS error that occurs whenever some JS engines try to render Wikipedia pages that IE supresses to the toolbar, but I have no ability to that. However, I'm now using Wiki API to retrieve page histories (where a lot of the errors were occuring), and the API doesn't utilize javascript so I'd have to think those errors are now gone. Likewise I'm now retrieving recent changes from the RSS feed, which doesn't use javascript either. Time will tell, I guess. AmiDaniel (talk) 01:40, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Speaking of bugs, did you see this new one? Prodego ^talk 01:47, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Now I have :-D. AmiDaniel (talk) 02:35, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Welcome

{{subst:welcomeg}}

Ummm, thanks? I was already welcomed about four months ago, but the thought is appreciated. I'm guessing this was a glitch.... AmiDaniel (talk) 02:34, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

That was not added using vandalproof, despite the edit summary. Prodego ^talk 02:36, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Welcome

Okay, what the hell is going on?! AmiDaniel (talk) 03:43, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh man, sorry about that. I didn't know that Vandalproof just put it on like that. Big mistake. :(--Jersey Devil 03:47, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

While I am here, I might as well ask how this thing is suppose to work? The options don't come up in regular articles only on the user pages/talk pages of some users. How am I suppose to tag an article for speedy deletion or revert vandalism when the options don't come up?--Jersey Devil 04:02, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

The standard way to use it would be to load the recent changes (by clicking update) and then click on each item in the list. It will load the last diff and enable the Rollback buttons. Clicking on one will revert the change and post a message on a user's talk page. When you're viewing a user's talk page (not a diff of a user's talk page, mind you) the buttons will be in talk mode, where you can post welcomes, etc. For speedy deletion, you can select the appropriate tag from the drop-down menu anytime you view an article and it will post the template. There's also a very incomplete help page that you may find useful. VP's got a fairly high learning curve, but I'm sure you'll be able to figure it all out. Good luck! And feel free to ask if you need help with anything. AmiDaniel (talk) 04:10, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I click on "Update" but it does nothing. I don't see what I could be doing wrong.--Jersey Devil 04:21, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Make sure you don't have enhanced recent changes turned on in your Wikipedia preferences. AmiDaniel (talk) 04:24, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, it is not checked on my preferences so that is not the problem. Another strange thing is that though I can use the Vandalproof options and am on the list of users always initially as I log on it says Your log-in request failed.--Jersey Devil 04:28, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Gujjar

It is surely not my intent to vandalise or remove content from any page. I am simply editing the article. Have just finished the draft. Please have a look and tell me whether anything is amiss. I have re-arranged the content in a proper manner. Please contact and advise —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rajatjghai (talk • contribs) 09:15, 26 May 2006 (UTC).

My apologies for taking so long to get back to you; I was in the middle of fending off an onslaught while waiting for an administrator to intervene. Anyway, in looking over the edit again and your other contributions to the page, I agree that the edit was not remotely in bad-faith and have thus removed the warning from your talk page. In the future, please try to use edit summaries as they alert others of what changes you've made to the page and why, and doing so will help to prevent your edits from being mistakenly reverted as such. Again, sorry about this, and please keep up the good work! If you need help with anything, feel free to contact me. AmiDaniel (talk) 09:21, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Livechat article

Hi, I mistakenly removed Livechat infobox, but since the article is changed, I don't think it should be considered for deletion anymore. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.168.132.134 (talk • contribs) 10:32, 26 May 2006 (UTC).

If you disagree with the article's deletion, then voice your opinion on its AfD discussion page. AfD tags should not be removed until the discussion has concluded. AmiDaniel (talk) 10:34, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for information, have a good day :) (talk)

The faggotry of Ian Maxtone-Graham

i'm sorry.... but isn't true what i wrote about ian maxtone-graham? you know it's correct...

--Killergon 12:42, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Concerning a "page vandalized" warning

I noticed that such a comment was recently left on the IP user talk page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:217.155.0.238

The reason I arrived at that talk pace was because I noticed a problem with the current Muhammad_Ali article - that there was a second copy of the "First Title" section. The history of the article tells me that this user actually corrected this problem (a correction which was later reverted).

For the specific diff during the history, please see: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Muhammad_Ali&diff=55044202&oldid=55039522

Whether or not the user performed other acts which were actually vandalism I do not know. I just saw a mistake, and someone chastised for correcting it. I'm sure you'll agree it was likely an honest mistake of wrong identification.

We all love Wikipedia and take the folks that spend hours moderating for granted. I just wanted to say thanks for all your work.

MJKazin 14:47, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, that edit looked to be about as clear-cut vandalism / content blanking as you can get, that is until I saw this later edit where User:82.207.201.63 explained in his edit summary that the entry was a duplicate. It was an honest mistake, and thank you for bringing this to my attention--I have no attention of chastising anyone for trying to improve articles. I do, however, still believe that he had no intention of improving the article--that is what merely a coincidence of sorts that he removed the duplicate entry--as he went on to blank the page, including sections that should be there, twice more here and here. In any case, an apology is certainly in order, as it's quite possible that my reverting his good-faith edit led to his later bad-faith edits. Thank you for your kind words and for notifying me of my mistake; please feel free to contact me if I make any similar mistakes in the future. AmiDaniel (talk) 23:26, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

1.2 bug

Can you say what was the big 1.2 bug was, or is it a security flaw that you can't say?

Prodego ^talk 18:39, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Euzebiusz Smolarek

Hi, I've just added the template {{Poland Squad 2006 World Cup}} and some <br />... It was not vandalism! Thanks. Neurillon 00:26, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry about that. It was this diff with the additional whitespace that threw me off. For future knowledge, the best way to deal with spacing issues like that is to add {{-}}, which I just did to the article--that expands the height of the sections to fit to the infoboxes, images, etc. Also, please try to use descriptive edit summaries with every edit you make. If, for instance, you had provided a summary to the extent of "Adding spaces to fix alignment problems," I likely would have examined the edit more closely and in the end tried to help you out with the problem instead of simply reverting it as vandalism. Again, I'm sorry for reverting your edits, and please feel free to contact me if you have any questions, or if you feel I've made any other mistakes. Thanks. AmiDaniel (talk) 04:57, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, Poland and Germany play on 14 June, Daniel is an avowed Germany supporter...Daniel's reversion was clearly driven by animus toward the Poland squad. Historically, of course, there probably have been more egregious instances of pro-German disruption in Poland, so perhaps an indefinite ban isn't in order; we'll just move Germany to Group E.  :) Joe 05:29, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Lol! Perhaps there is something subconscious going on there, though I'm by no means an avid supporter of Germany in the World Cup. I might also note that ironically I'm currently working on a translation of the article Międzyrzec Podlaski from German (there's more in the Polish one, but I don't speak Polish). AmiDaniel (talk) 05:35, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Never mind about that, and thank you for the advice you provided! :) Neurillon 22:19, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Stop sign

Why is there a big Image:40px-ButtonStop.png in the upper right hand corner of your Talk page? User:Zoe|^(talk) 01:38, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

It means that he is busy. --GeorgeMoney ^T·C 02:13, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

I got your message

Fuck you —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nebalong (talk • contribs) 02:48, 27 May 2006 (UTC).

<joke followed by WP:CIVIL warning> --Avillia ^{(Avillia me!)} 05:16, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Re: User:Example

I used "Jimbo Wales" as the example, to demonstrate that usernames with spaces no longer need special syntax to avoid breaking the links. — May. 27, '06 [05:00] <freak|talk>

Why not use User:Example User? --GeorgeMoney ^T·C 05:05, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Oh, okay. Well, in that case maybe we should use GeorgeMoney's User:Example User instead. I'm not sure it's quite appropriate to use a real user, even Jimbo, to demonstrate how it works. Also, I don't completely understand the purpose of setting the defaults for the paramaters--it seems to me that {{user2}} should produce [[User:|]]... instead of an example user, but I'll leave that up to you. Feel free to revert it or make any subsequent changes you'd like, though I still think it best, in any case, to not use Jimbo. Thanks for contacting me before reverting. It's much appreciated =D. AmiDaniel (talk) 05:12, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

I actually suggested using Example User before getting the edit conflict from George Money :-). AmiDaniel (talk) 05:12, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Okay, "Example User" sounds good. — May. 27, '06 [06:53] <freak|talk>

WP:SPLICE request

Any idea which one is the correct title, Międzyrzecz Podlaski or Międzyrzec Podlaski? In either case, I've merged the histories at the latter title, and if that's wrong, it can be moved over top of the redirect by any user if needed, because the other title is not contaminated by extra revisions. — May. 27, '06 [06:53] <freak|talk>

Woa, it didn't prompt me that I had a message... strange. The latter appears to be correct (without the z). That seems to be the case on the German and Polish versions, though there was apparently some minor quarrel about that a while ago, thus the fork. I'd say to leave it as it is now unless evidence supporting the former pops up, which I doubt it will. I'm not too familiar with the topic; I just translated what I could find. AmiDaniel (talk) 06:57, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Redirects

I'll repeat a question here I asked of you a few days ago at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Adding words for redirection purposes: Is there any chance we could get a script to look for article titles with diacritics and suggest redirects without them (Axel Hagerstrom is, and Axel Haegerstroem could conceivably be, a redirect to Axel Hägerström) whenever these are lacking? It would also be useful if it could identify every case where a possible redirect is a full article (or redirects somewhere else). In many cases these are probably articles on something completely different or disambiguation pages (Åmål, Amal) but in some cases these may be duplicates which should be merged and redirected. Tupsharru 06:22, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

My apologies for not noticing your question on the Village Pump. I think that would be quite plausible and simple to implement--I can simply a table with ö → oe → o, etc., and then on each entry compose every possible combination of those. Let me work out the specifics of it, and I'll get back to you. My offer still stands to write the script to create redirects from user input as well, and we could likely merge these too ideas into one. AmiDaniel (talk) 06:27, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! Tupsharru 06:43, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I have a script going now that I think is right on the money, but I thought I'd run it by you just to make sure. Currently it only handles the ä, ö, ü diacritics, but adding it the whole lot would not be too difficult. Anyway, where it's at right now: If I type in "Hägerströmung" (not your original example, but I wanted something to test all three) it produces the following list of potential redirects:

1. Hagerströmüng
2. Haegerströmüng
3. Hagerstromüng
4. Haegerstroemüng
5. Hagerstromung
6. Haegerstroemueng
7. Hägerstromüng
8. Hägerstroemüng
9. Hägerstromung
10. Hägerstroemueng
11. Hägerströmung
12. Hägerströmueng

Do you see any that are missing? Is this what you wanted? AmiDaniel (talk) 02:38, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Remark. I find altogether 27 variations on Hägerströmung (3 × 3 × 3):

1. Hagerstromung*
2. Hagerstromüng*
3. Hagerstromueng
4. Hagerströmung
5. Hagerströmüng*
6. Hagerströmueng
7. Hagerstroemung
8. Hagerstroemüng
9. Hagerstroemueng*
10. Hägerstromung*
11. Hägerstromüng*
12. Hägerstromueng
13. Hägerströmung* (original)
14. Hägerströmüng
15. Hägerströmueng*
16. Hägerstroemung
17. Hägerstroemüng*
18. Hägerstroemueng
19. Haegerstromung
20. Haegerstromüng
21. Haegerstromueng
22. Haegerströmung
23. Haegerströmüng*
24. Haegerströmueng
25. Haegerstroemung*
26. Haegerstroemüng
27. Haegerstroemueng*

An * indicates entries in the list above of 12 potential redirects. I see no obvious reason why the other 15 variations are less likely. --Lambiam^Talk 13:00, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Alright, well although I didn't hear a response from you, I went ahead and finished up the script. I'm going to play arund with it for a day to see if there may be some things that need tweaking, and I'll post a download sometime tomorrow. You can see my testing of the tool here. It now works for all diacrtics, not just ä, ö, and ü. Let me know if I did anything wrong. AmiDaniel (talk) 05:23, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

I think there are quite a few others, such as

• a, aa -> å (Swedish, Danish, Norwegian)
• ae -> æ (Danish, Norwegian, and various languages using the Latin ligature æ, including English)
• o, oe, ö -> ø (Danish & Norwegian; redirects from forms with diacritics to other forms with diacritics may be useful, if for instance a Danish name is taken from a German or Swedish source, but only within reason of course),
• c, ch -> č (Czech)
• c -> ç (French)
• L -> Ł (Polish)

I'm sure there are others, but I think you will need input from people with different language backgrounds. As for redirects from other forms with diacritics, the script obviously doesn't need to suggest redirects from anything graphically similar, but where the pronunciation is the same (as with ö -> ø, ø -> ö), and there is a significant chance for historical reasons that either spelling may occur in the same name (as with Danish and Swedish). Tupsharru 07:37, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Okay, there are some problems with non-ASCII characters like Ł, and I don't really have too much experience dealing with UTF string manipulation--I may be able to work these in later, but let me go ahead and show you the conversions I have currently:

    Case "ä", "á", "à", "â", "ã": FirstAlt = "a"
    Case "å": FirstAlt = "a"
    Case "æ": FirstAlt = "ae"
    Case "ë": FirstAlt = "e"
    Case "ö", "ó", "ò", "ô": FirstAlt = "o"
    Case "ø": FirstAlt = "o"
    Case "ü", "ú", "ù", "û": FirstAlt = "u"
    Case "ÿ", "ý": FirstAlt = "y"
    Case "ç": FirstAlt = "c"
    Case "ñ": FirstAlt = "n"
    Case "ä", "á", "à", "â", "ã": SecondAlt = "ae"
    Case "å": FirstAlt = "aa"
    Case "æ": FirstAlt = "a"
    Case "ë": SecondAlt = "ee"
    Case "ö", "ó", "ò", "ô": SecondAlt = "oe"
    Case "ø": FirstAlt = "ö"
    Case "ü", "ú", "ù", "û": SecondAlt = "ue"

Sorry, for not converting it back into an easy-to-read table, but I think you can get the jist of it from the code. Essentially, FirstAlt is the first possible alternative to the diacritic, and SecondAlt is, naturally, the second alternative. As it is currently, the number of different transliterations is quite large (2*[Number of diacratics]!), and adding a third alternative for each diacritic (or even just certain ones like ø) would make this number even larger. Anyway, for now I think I'll just upload what I have and see if it works for you. We can deal with unicode characters later. AmiDaniel (talk) 08:39, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

The following are overkill in my opinion:

Case "ö", "ó", "ò", "ô": SecondAlt = "oe"
Case "ü", "ú", "ù", "û": SecondAlt = "ue"
Case "ä", "á", "à", "â", "ã": SecondAlt = "ae"

It is really enough with:

Case "ö": SecondAlt = "oe"
Case "ü": SecondAlt = "ue"
Case "ä": SecondAlt = "ae"

(Not sure if the code makes any sense, as I just took out stuff, but you get my point.) In addition, ø needs redirecting from oe (Ole Roemer -> Ole Rømer). OE, UE and AE are variants for the umlauts, not for every other possible diacritic. Even though it is conceivable through OCR error or for other reasons that a "ü" may end up as a "û" in a name, I think it is a bad idea to start mass-producing redirects such as Ole Rómer, Ole Rômer, Ole Ròmer -> Ole Rømer. Tupsharru 13:13, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Okay, first of all, in response to the 27 alternatives that you had found. My thinking with doing it this way was that people would either use the diacritic (ä), the one-char alternative (a), or the two-char alternative (ae). In other words, I thought it conceivable that one would search for Hagerstromüng, but not for Hagerstromueng. Reworking the algorithms to deal with possible combinations of first alternatives and second alternatives is quite a bit more complicated, though certainly do-able, and, as you noted, would create for a three-diacritic article name 13 additional redirects. Let me sleep on this a bit and get back to you. Then, for the second part, I definitely see your point that one looking for ó would likely not search for oe, and I'll fix that accordingly as usually only the umlauts can be translated to ae, oe, ue. And then lastly, I apologize for taking so long to get back to you--it got barried beneath the other messages on the talk page and I didn't notice it until just now. Okay, let me make those couple of changes and then I'll put up the tool, and you can play around with it a bit and tell me if you need it to handle combinations of first alts and second alts. I'll probably have it up either tomorrow or the next day. AmiDaniel (talk) 08:11, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Not a reply, just a minor correction: the 27 variants above were posted by Lambiam, not by me. Tupsharru 08:59, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh, okay should have looked more closely. Still relevant, though, and I'd like your input when you get a chance =D. AmiDaniel (talk)

RfA Question

Thanks for adding your question, AmiDaniel, it has been answered! Let me know if you have any other questions. -- Natalya 14:07, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! And I just voted support. I wish you the best of luck! AmiDaniel (talk) 22:26, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Abuse of VandalProof

Dear Sir:

Your VandalProof application is being used in an edit war on the article "Golden Dawn tradition".

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Golden_Dawn_tradition&action=history

Strangely, the user name "YankSox" declared the use of VandalProof, but all the edits being produced by it appear to be coming from a anonymous user.

At one point (about six months ago) the matter was submitted to the Mediation Cabal for ajudication, but shortly after that the edit abuse ended. It has recently started up again, and I have requested Mediation again.

Please see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2006-01-11_Hermetic_Order_of_the_Golden_Dawn

Please advise me as to how this matter can be settled.

Thank you, Joseph Max JMax555 16:25, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to copy this to /VP/Abuse, where it's more likely to be seen by others, and respond there. Thanks for pointing this out. AmiDaniel (talk) 21:44, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Comment by Weepwoo

Hey listen up, it is quite hypocritical for you or anyone to threaten or accuse this page of being vandalism. As for others people’s pages, please be aware that it was only in retribution. As for you calling this page nonsense, then please refer to the hundreds of pages on this site that are also nonsense. Furthermore, just because you have absolutely no idea what the intentions behind the page are please stop trying to rationalize your behavior for deleting it as valid, because it is not. The page was created for educational purposes at two well respected universities, and was used in three different class room exercises so as for you calling it nonsense it is laughable. We will continue to post this page as a protest to you and the others who are ignorantly using your abilities to delete pages without any real knowledge of what is valid, and what is nonsense.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Weepwoo (talk • contribs) .

So far, you have vandalised userpages, broken our civility policy, made personal attacks, and have otherwise disrupted Wikipedia. If you continue to violate our policy you will no longer be allowed to edit Wikipedia. (Note that reposting deleted page content is a violation of policy.) Please review the Manual of Style, the Simplified Ruleset as well as the Criteria for Speedy Deletion, and reconsider your contributions. Thanks, --Avillia ^{(Avillia me!)} 20:46, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, Avillia, and now I have a few comments I'd like to add too. First of all, if you can point me to some of these pages that are also nonsense, I will see to it that they are deleted as well. Secondly, as I've said before, you can recreate this article in your own userspace, where no one will even think to delete it, and you can spare yourself all of this stress. You can even contact one of the administrators listed at Category:User undeletion to have the exact contents of the article prior to its deletion moved to your userspace for you. Thirdly, if you disagree with the article's deletion then seek a deletion review. If a deletion review believes the article merits inclusion, it will not be deleted again--even if they simply concur with you that it was not an appropriate candidate for speedy deletion, then the article will go through the AfD process before it is deleted again. Fourthly and finally, if you recreate this article again without seeking a deletion review first, you will be blocked. AmiDaniel (talk) 22:25, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi,

Hi my name is Brian Connor. STOP DELETING MY BIO. PAGE! I have found a page on myself, and although some of it is false info, I am a real artist. I have Made several albums, and they have sold by the thousands. Lets not get into any more trouble you and me. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Flourgus (talk • contribs) 23:34, 27 May 2006 (UTC).

I'm drawing a complete blank--have we ever even interacted? I don't see any posts from me on your talk page, and I don't remember ever tagging any of your articles for deletion. I'm assuming this is in regards to Brian james connor, the article that begins "Brian James Connor (pronounced) bry-ann jayms Con-or Is thought to be the coolest kid in the world. He was born on September 21, 1993, though some scientists debate that he was actually born closer to Halloween." Unfortunately, the article does not even begin to assert notability, let alone defend it with verifiable sources. The website www.BrianConnorIsTheRestoration.com does not even exist. Please read over WP:CSD#A7, the speedy deletion criterion relevant to this article, and also read over Wikipedia's notability guidelines for people. You can gladly create such articles in your userspace, for instance on your userpage; however, the main article namespace should not be used for vanity articles. Once the article is deleted, feel free to contact any of the administrators listed at Category:User undeletion to have the article userfied (restored and moved to your userspace) for you. If you have any questions or need help with anything, please feel free to contact me. Thanks. AmiDaniel (talk) 23:47, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

I might be way off here, but wouldn't "real artists" know grammar, spelling and proper sentence structure? — Nathan ^(talk) 23:52, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Wow, No crap the artical is nonsence, however some of it is real. I am a real musician, and the page will stay. It's my idea of humor. You cant't do anything to stop me, However I can stop you by editing every page on this site.

                         Have a cheerful day!{{subst:usigned|Flourgus}}

Do not make threats against other users and do not threaten to vandalize. Comments like these aren't taken lightly. BTW, Daniel, you haven't ever tagged the article, so I am not sure why Flourgus approached you either. --PS2pcGAMER (talk) 23:57, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Help

I try to open the Vandalproof but I have to choose wich program' has to open it, I know it should open alone but I tried with Firefox and IE, to see what happends and ... nothing! —Argentino (talk/cont.) 01:26, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Right-click on it, press "rename", then at the end of the name, put ".exe" . Then open the file. --GeorgeMoney ^T·C 01:57, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

(edit conflict) There are porblems downloading from freepository using FireFox. The easiest fix is simply to rename the "VandalProof" file to "VandalProof.exe" and try running it again. AmiDaniel (talk) 01:59, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Both of you are too slow, I answered a half hour ago. ;-) Prodego ^talk 02:03, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

VandalProof

Do you mind if I mirror vandalproof on my website? --GeorgeMoney ^T·C 05:19, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Go right ahead. It would actually be much appreciated as they are a lot of problems for FF/Opera users downloading from freepository. AmiDaniel (talk) 07:11, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok, now it is at http://wikipedia.georgemoney.com/VandalProof/VandalProof.exe --GeorgeMoney ^T·C 07:21, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Isn't three mirrors a little much? — Nathan ^(talk) 19:22, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

The more the merrier. --GeorgeMoney ^T·C 19:25, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Parma Witch Hunt

The suspected paragraph, which was originally copied from the Parma history section, was blanket put on the Witch Hunt page temporarily with the intention of further editing planned for that very day. No one is trying to restore the paragraph that you deem suspicious. Thus, there is no respectable reason to keep up the copyright page when this matter is of no concern and especially since the suspect paragraph was not intended to be there for long any way to begin with. As for why the Witch Hunt page exists, this was part of an edit dispute resolution, i.e. that a separate article would be created for the Witch Hunt so that the Parma, Ohio page would not be overwhelmed with history. Best, --172.131.104.155 15:39, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

I fail to see what was so difficult about simply working on the temporary subpage until the article was deleted--given that the current text is blatantly biased text taken in whole from the article on Parma, Ohio, it wouldn't shock me if someone goes, "Oh, look, there's actually well-written text in the article's history" and restores the copyvio text. But, whatever, I'll try to calm down my process wonkishness. I do, however, still have to return to the question posed by Wizardman, "What is the point of this article?" I could almost see this as a POV fork, as its only purpose seems to be an attack page on a certain group of politicians in Ohio. A search for "Parma Witch Hunt" returns exactly 0 hits, so again I ask, is this topic really notable enough to warrant an article unto its own? Is it even notable enough to warrant inclusion in the Parma, Ohio article? AmiDaniel (talk) 18:26, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it is as it was the big news story in Parma for months and even headlined the front page at top of the Cleveland Page dealer for several days in a row.--172.129.24.191 22:34, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Greetings!

Don't mean to annoy you, but have you checked your e-mail recently? I don't want to be rude, but I fear it may not have got through your spam filter, since you've been editing but it's been nearly 24hrs. If I'm wrong, and I'm disrupting your schedule, ignore me! Thanks. --Xyrael ^T 19:19, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Woa, sorry about that. It got gobbled up by my spam filter. I still get thirty "Enlarge Your Penis" ads in my inbox every day, and then all the e-mail I actually want to get winds up in my Junk Mail box, which I've gotten better about checking, but I still don't check it everyday. Anyway, yes, I got it, and I can certainly use all the help I can get. You seem beyond a doubt competent enough, so give me a couple of minutes and you'll be set. Thanks for your offer! AmiDaniel (talk) 19:33, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

I know what you mean - this may amuse you if you're a fan of Star Wars. I'll add myself to the moderator list now, and await further communication. Thanks for accepting me! --Xyrael ^T 20:00, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

I can load the tool, but can't test it since no-one wants approving right now. Thanks for sorting things out, and I hope to see you around the network. --Xyrael ^T 06:28, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

VP versions.

No offense, but I'd appreciate it if you'd please tell me of new versions rather than outright remove my site from the list of mirrors. It would give me a chance to download the new version right away rather than find out by myself. As you know, I was on Wikibreak and not checking my watchlist. I'd just prefer it if you tell me so I can update quick. Can you do that for me please? Thank you. — Nathan ^(talk) 19:14, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I'm sorry Nathan. It all happened rather quickly, and at 5:30 in the morning, when I suddenly discovered the bug and immediately released the next revision. I would have contacted you but I sort-of spaced it, and instead simply removed the links to avoid confusion. Thank you so much for mirroring the app, and I will be sure to let you know in the future. AmiDaniel (talk) 19:29, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. :) — Nathan ^(talk) 05:36, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Mirroring

Can you please give me a list of files to mirror? --GeorgeMoney ^T·C 19:43, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

There's a list on http://nathanr.com/vandalproof — Nathan ^(talk) 05:38, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Your global blacklist

Hi, I was thinking of using User:AmiDaniel/VP/GlobalBL to highlight likely vandals with my vandal tool. Would you have any objections to that? I can decipher it - the javascript for doing so would be in plain view as part of User:Lupin/recent2.js, although the list itself would not. Lupin|talk|popups 02:52, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, that's just fine with me. I'm assuming you can probably figure out how to decipher it yourself--I just put in a tid bit of encryption to keep it from being abused by the casual vandal--but I'll be glad to send you the code used to encrypt/unencrypt it. Ironically, I was just about to ask you a similar question--I've now begun using the RSS feed to retrieve recent changes, and I implemented a filtration method based upon your badwords list (can't think of the exact link right now); I suppose I should probably show you the same decency in asking whether or not I may use it :-). AmiDaniel (talk)

Great, thanks. Yes, the badwords list is available for whatever use you find for it. :) Lupin|talk|popups 03:17, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

WikiMoney

File:MoneyWiki.jpg

GeorgeMoney has given you some WikiMoney from the United Editors of Wikipedia. Spread the money by copying the code of this message and sending it to other people. BTW, Have you ever visited the United Editors of Wikipedia? --GeorgeMoney ^T·C 04:33, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments in Lar's RfA!

We are here to build an encyclopedia!

Hi Daniel, and thank you for your supportive comments in my request for adminship! With a final tally of (109/5/1), I have been entrusted with adminship. It's been several weeks since the conclusion of the process, so hopefully you've had a chance to see me in action. Please let me know what you think! Thanks again, and I will do everything I can to justify the trust you've placed in me! Note that I triggered a discussion about multiple noms after the end of my RfA. ++Lar: t/c 03:25, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

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Accurracy

You know, accuracy only has one R.  ;) —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 07:24, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Holy bajeebus, how embarassing!! That's not just my page either--that's hardcoded into VP. Woops. Thanks for pointing it out though; I can't believe I let that get by me. AmiDaniel (talk) 08:06, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

I wanna write this up as an example in the Irony article ;) - Glen ^T_C (Stollery) 08:10, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

VandalProof 121

VandalProof version 1.2.1 has been continuously rejecting my username, Do you know why? Cheers, Jean-Paul 15:26, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Anti-Vandal tools

Hi AmiDaniel. I have a question... I use Mozilla FireFox to browse Wikipedia, and I do a lot of vandalism monitoring and reverting. Is there an anti-vandalism tool that works with Mozilla? It appears your VandalProof only works with IE. Any suggestions? Kasreyn 16:04, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

There are several - go to RC patrol, and you will find a long list there. Unfortunately, there is nothing like VandalProof because this imports a Microsoft-written control, something which I don't believe is available for any other browsers. --Xyrael ^T 18:33, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

You don't need to use IE, you just need to have it. If you have IE, VandalProof should work fine. Prodego ^talk 18:34, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

And you need the various DLLs that are made available with the release. A lot of people forget that! --Xyrael ^T 18:41, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

As above, VP does not require you to use IE, just to have it installed. I've actually found myself in the past quite frustrated by how many tools are dependent upon FF! I'd suggest having a peak at godmode and godmode-light, tools that give rollback functionality to non-admins (for FF-users only). Then you may want to have a look at Lupin's Anti-Vandal Tool, which provides sever methods of filtering and viewing recent changes. You can find a much more complete list at WP:CVU#Dealing with vandalism; these are just the tools that I would recommend. AmiDaniel (talk) 20:26, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

VandalProof

I have created a sockpuppet called User:GeorgeMoney VandalProof (proof) because my monobook.js crashes IE. It got approved, but is there some way to import GeorgeMoney's watchlist into GeorgeMoney VandalProof's watchlist? --GeorgeMoney ^T·C 18:38, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Not that I know of. I could probably write you a script to do this, but it would probably take hours to run--try posting a message at WP:VPT; I'd have to think the devs probably have a much easier way to do this. AmiDaniel (talk) 20:28, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

WhodunitQuery bug

Now that the computer with VandalProof and the Query program is connected to the net again, I did some poking. Apple and Wikipedia:Articles for creation got results like charm. It was when I added the subpage (Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Today) when it returned 'Article not found'. I think it doesn't recognize subpages. Can you remedy this? It would be a great help at AFC and other processes that are prone to receiving unsigned comments (like Ref Desk subpages). - Mgm|^(talk) 21:06, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm, I think I may have found the problem. Somehow I input that %2F should be converted to a colon (":") rather than a slash("/"). Is it erroring when you start the query or when you initially load the page? I can't understand wonder why this would make a difference upon loading the page. Let me play around a little bit, and once I think I have it fixed I'll upload a patch. Thanks for your patience. AmiDaniel (talk) 21:18, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

New bug?

I have started getting repeated JavaScript bugs, normally I only get one (when the user list loads) but now I get them anytime I do anything using VandalProof. They all say the same thing 'Unterminated string constant on line 731 char 34. Code 0'. Is this a new bug? I have never had this many JavaScript errors before. Prodego ^talk 21:38, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Oye. Try doing a hard refresh, and perhaps clear out your IE tifs and cookies. Have you made any changes to your monobook.js recently? I could go look for myslef but I'm just too lazy :-). AmiDaniel (talk) 21:40, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Clearing everything fixed it. Do you have any idea what might have caused this? Thanks, Prodego ^talk 21:48, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure specifically, but somehow certain tifs get corrupted and IE tries to load them, which leads to errors. I actually think that most of these JS errors result from that, and so I'm try to figure out some way to prevent the Browser control from trying to load pages from cache but have no luck yet. I'm glad you got it working again. AmiDaniel (talk) 22:05, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Re: The Parma Witch Hunt

Alright, that makes sense, since I was only suggesting the dletion becuase it's alreayd on the Parma Ohio article, and a merge would accomplish the same thing. --Wizardman 22:58, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

VandalProof not working?

I installed VP 1.2 and entered my username and it wouldn't let me log in, stating that either I hadn't logged into Wikipedia, had logged in under the wrong name, or am not on the approved list. Obviously, none of these are the case. So what's happening? Please assist. --HubHikari 00:44, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Just to clarify, you are using 1.2.1 and not 1.2.0, right? Confirm that you are using the monobook skin and that you are logged in within the VP browser. Click on the "Try Logging into Wikipedia" link, and log in with "Remember Me" checked. If that doesn't work, check that you do not have any strange cookie settings in IE. AmiDaniel (talk) 00:49, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

?!?!

I don't know, for some reason everyone has started asking me if I'm leaving. What, can you guys smell fear all of a sudden or what? But no, I have no intention of leaving in the forseeable future. Master of Puppets ^{FREE BIRD!} 01:10, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Okay, glad to hear it! I just saw that pop up on your talk page, and I assumed it was based upon something. AmiDaniel (talk) 01:11, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I figured it out, it was this edit. I used (cover your ears) Metallica lyrics because I'm listening to the song, and as it is a song about suicide, some people saw it as me saying I'm leaving. :P All cleared up now, though. Master of Puppets ^{FREE BIRD!} 01:17, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

(Vomits at the sound of Metallica) You should really try some better music. Though I would note that, as much as I detest Metallica, I really like Apocalyptica's covers of Metallica's songs, like "Fade to Black", "For Whom the Bell Tolls", and "One"--you may want to check them out when you get the chance. AmiDaniel (talk) 01:21, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I mean the old Metallica, not the new one. If you still vomit, you, sir, are dead to me. No, you aren't, you're free to like what you like :). And besides, I like a lot of artists, including the better ones such as Queen, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppellin, Rush (note: vomiting at any of those may cause me to go get admin powers and block you). Anyway, I'm gonna go hunt down these covers you speak of. Cheers, Master of Puppets ^{FREE BIRD!} 01:28, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Queen's decent, Floyd's a little annoying at times but still good, Zeppelin never did much for me, and Rush is alright. None of them make me vomit quite like Metallica--I probably wouldn't mind them as much if everyone wasn't so damn obsessed with them. But yes, the old Metallica, prior to the black album, was a hellofalot better, though still not great. I'm a much stronger fan of German bands like Rammstein (obviously), Letzte Instanz, Subway to Sally, In Extremo, etc., and I also like a lot of Ami bands like Manson (only during Twiggy's years with the band though; everything else was/is shit), Rasputina, Shadows Fall, Machine Head (band), Killswitch Engage, The Doors, etc. If you like real metal, not the "metal" that Metallica is known for, you should check out some Swedish melodic death metal bands like In Flames (one of the best live shows I've ever seen, I might add). Anyway, I could go on and on and on about music, so don't get me started :-). Long story short, you have bad taste in music, but at least you're not leaving WP! AmiDaniel (talk)

Bad taste in music? Well, I never! :P Floyd are Gods, I point to Echoes as an example, or Atom Heart Mother, or Wish You Were Here; I like Rammstein, and no offence to them but they add a little hilarity into their music. The Doors, however, are awesomeness in a spoon. Oh, and real metal is Steppenwolf, who defined the sound. They, too, are one of my favorites. Master of Puppets ^{FREE BIRD!} 01:43, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Alright, "Wish You Were Here" (and Rasputina's cover) was freakin' incredible, along with "Darkside of the Moon" and the entirety of The Wall. Not offended by the fact the R+ adds humor to their music; that's what I like about it--they take it seriously but they don't have their heads so far up their ass that they can't have fun. Steppenwolf I'm not too familiar with, though I have heard some of their stuff. I'll have to get back to you on that one. AmiDaniel (talk) 01:52, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

AmiD will beat you there, Master. Prodego ^talk 01:31, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

No! /me morphs into page-move mode. And Daniel, this stuff is actually pretty true to the original; too bad there are no drums though. :( Master of Puppets ^{FREE BIRD!} 01:37, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Speaking of which, someone needs to close that RfA. Oh [AmiDaniel], if you need any help with your [soon to be] new admin abilities (I assume not, since you were a sysop on test.wikipedia), let me know, anything, from range blocks to selective deletions, I know how to do it. Prodego ^talk 01:40, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Will do. I've been patiently waiting for the 'crats to close it, but I guess I'll just have to wait some more :-). Now back to the master there, if you want Apocalyptica with drums you should check out their stuff from Reflections, where they brought in the drummer from Slayer (I can't think of his name at the moment). I didn't care to much for the album as I was really amazed by their earlier cello work, but they also ventured quite a bit beyond Metallica, to cover artists like Floyd, with that album. AmiDaniel (talk) 01:42, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

And actually [Prodego:], I'll probably need some help figuring out how to do range blocks. I know there's something I have to append to my monobook.css, but I forget what. I haven't really played around with those on the test wiki, so I would definitely appreciate some assistance with that. AmiDaniel (talk) 01:45, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm liking this cello work, pretty cool. Getting some In Flames too; as we're in Canada, we don't really get exposed to much Swedish melodic death metal. Master of Puppets ^{FREE BIRD!} 01:47, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

We don't in America either. They were somewhat well-known in Germany (and they actually played Ozzfest, though no one here knew them), and I'm absolutely in love with their music. Especially their work from Soundtrack to Your Escape and The Jester Race. AmiDaniel (talk) 01:48, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Range blocks do not require you to add anything to your monobook file (it is in the sitewide file). I can explain it to you; do you use g-mail? Also do you know how the Mediawiki namespace works? Prodego ^talk 02:00, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh really? I thought I read somewhere that you had to add something to some file somewhere. I get (to some extent) how to edit within the MediaWiki namespace, though I've only made one edit myself. I don't have g-mail, but you can send me a message on hotmail. Let me first go read that over again and see if I can figure it out myself before I have take up more of your time with it. Thanks for your help though! AmiDaniel (talk) 02:03, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh, woops I just got confused. That line has to be added to LocalSettings.php, but that's nothing I have to deal with, is it? Can I just input 142.177.0.0/16 as the IP address to block and have it block that entire range? AmiDaniel (talk) 02:07, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes. (Note though that that would block a huge range of addresses, the max allowed by Wikipedia). You may want to get g-mail, it hides your IP address when you send e-mail, and some people do try to stalk admins in real life. Also, Special:Allmessages is indespesible when editing the MediaWiki namespace. However, I have only made thirteen edits to the Mediawiki pages myself. Prodego ^talk 02:11, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations!

Congratulations!
It is my great pleasure to inform you that your Request for Adminship has closed successfully and you are now an administrator! Useful Links: • Administrators' reading list • Administrators' how-to guide • • Administrator's Noticeboard • Administrator's Noticeboard for Incidents • Administrator's Noticeboard for 3RR • Your admin logs: • blocks • deletions • moves • protects • uploads •

If you have questions, feel free to leave a talk page message for me or any other admin. Again, congratulations! Essjay (Talk • Connect) 02:19, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations on your new mop! Sango123 (e) 02:22, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Congrats. Prodego ^talk 02:19, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I wish you the best of luck. Mostly Rainy 02:23, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations! All the best and good luck with the mop. --Terence Ong 02:24, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I forgot what I was going to say because I'm so angry that Essjay closed it before Linuxbeak, ruining my chance to get first congrats, and that I am on my sixth edit conflict. FARK. Enjoy adminship, and please block me as your first abuse of power. --Avillia ^{(Avillia me!)} 02:24, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations, it was anonymous, in my eyes anyway.Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 02:26, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

You mean unananimous. Also, Avilla, you can blame me for Essjay closing the RfA. Prodego ^talk 02:27, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Congrats bud! - Glen ^T_C (Stollery) 02:31, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Great work, you deserve it. Yanksox 02:34, 30 May 2006 (UTC)