User talk:Hesperian/Archive 7

Re: Narcissistic Personality Disorder

Very good, guys, thanks for the laugh :-) Normally such infantile trolling simply gets reverted, but your use of humour is much better. Snottygobble 11:50, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
When you turn a rock over and find a bug, why turn it back without poking it with a stick first Gnangarra 12:47, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yo! There i thought I had spotted a troll last night that wasnt one (on a volcano whats more), and then this morning there was one on snotty's... so much for record low temps! SatuSuro 13:58, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

proteaceae refs

OK - gotta run to a meeting but 2 proteaceae refs are on Proteaceae page, cheers Cas Liber 04:55, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Convictism in Western Australia

Listed as Good article yesterday can`t fault it, Congrats.Ghostieguide 14:13, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My RfA

Hello Snottygobble, and thanks for voting in my recent RfA, which passed with a tally of (68/19/3). I appreciated your comments, which I hope to take on board in order to gain your respect in my work as an administrator. Best of luck in your continued editing of the encyclopedia! Sam Vimes 20:00, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Your article, Banksia menziesii, was selected for DYK!

On June 21, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Banksia menziesii, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks for your contributions! (several folk worked on it, credit to all...) ++Lar: t/c 00:36, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Taxonomy of Banksia

File:Banksiacladogram2.jpg

cladogram 2

File:Banksiacladogram1.jpg

cladogram 1

Looks great (man thats alot of edits!) Only thing was I had to stick in that (when I finally get around to putting on cladogram of Mast et. al.) is that Dryandra and Isostylis are on different 'arms', thus are not particularly closely related - but 'tis all good. :)Cas Liber 04:25, 22 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

OK-A few years ago Austin was happy for me to distribute stuff (I uploaded teh cpDNA study on a discussion group website. I have 2 versions of the cladograms (one with stomate stuff, one with DNA stuff) off the page. I will put thumbs following. Feel free to use one, the other or make a diagram like on the Ceratopsia page (scroll down...)cheersCas Liber 12:00, 2 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

(I am tryingto sort out reonvations/home loans/work/loads of stuff and am on the naughty chair for spendingtoo much time on wikipedia ;)Cas Liber 12:00, 2 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to use them but since authors invariably sign a copyright transfer as a condition of publication, copyright on the figures is almost certainly held by the American Journal of Botany rather than Mast. Snottygobble 05:32, 12 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Antisocial Personality Disorder

C - cannot follow law O - obligations ignored R - remorseless R - recklessness U - underhandedness P - planning deficit T - temper unsigned comment by User:Jebus Kriste

the perfect candidate for Prime Minister vote 1 User:Snottygobble, if you need a campaign manager just let me know, but I get to skim 20% off the top of all kickbacks ok Gnangarra

_1_ want the photographic and movie rights! You should have heard the union guys on the march today and what they said about our current p.m. SatuSuro 08:15, 28 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Australian Biological Resource Study

I been poking around and User:Gnangarra/ABRS|here is a start for ABRS. Gnangarra 05:05, 27 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Done i followed the red link from Banksia to Australian Biological Resources Study —Gnangarra 05:26, 27 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delet away unless you can think of another use for the name Gnangarra 05:40, 27 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Do you think the article should include Pony clubs as well, or just the riding schools. 8) Gnangarra 06:02, 27 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

references-small

There is no obligation to make footnotes small (or it would be an automatic part of the mark up). Feel free to revert me. Any sections added after a "small-ed" footnotes section should return to normal size. Circeus 05:36, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I was mistaken here, some wikipedians will use class="references-small" for reference lists too, although I personally only use it for footnotes. Circeus 03:51, 2 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

References

I'd like to see Wikipedia become credible. If I see an article that's got a lot of content, claiming a lot of things, demanding references is a wise thing to do. I even add the notice to my own creations to remind me to go back and add references hoping to raise the article quality a notch higher. Nobody has ever argued about "my style", and I think if they did, it's easily pointed out that the article usually goes nowhere unless references are added. References sure save a lot of bother before it ever begins. Try it. Spread the word. It can only improve things around the place. -- Longhair 06:49, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

MoS

Excellent idea! If you're going to propose it, let me know when and where so I can come and support you. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 07:02, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You could try the MoS talk page, or the WP:V or WP:CITE talk page. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 12:29, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'll lend my support as well. Let me know if you propose such a change. -- Longhair 09:18, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wow... southwest austriala spam isn't spam

Yeah ok, I'm fine with that. Going to start undoing it myself here. Those pages fooled me, as I loaded a few up and they all looked like a portal linkfarming group or something. I should've done a WHOIS on the spam links like I usually do to doublecheck. Kevin_b_er 02:56, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Whoops. A little too late, I already fixed myself and reverted all my edits. Kevin_b_er 03:08, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Upright Snottygobble

been reading a little bit thought I'd start a small stub. Snottygobble. Gnangarra 05:48, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

oops we're falling over each other didnt realise you were on when I dropped the note Gnangarra 05:59, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Of course you need to be listed as notible, no problem with the edit conflict I was just doing the tiddy, I find more spelling errors when I'm formatting the page. Gnangarra 06:06, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Were you just waiting for an excuse?, nice additions to the original thanks Gnangarra

The DYK nomination

Thought I'd put this up for DYK as well here what I put

...that the Persoonia longifolia known as the Upright Snottygobble or just Snottygobble is not to be confused with User:Snottygobble Gnangarra 12:28, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

- sorry seriously, ...that the Persoonia longifolia (pictured) known as the Upright Snottygobble is a species of tree characterise by its distinctive flakey paper like dark red bark... self nom Gnangarra 12:28, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

CDV

Aaaargh! -- I@n ≡ talk

:I think I just became part of the problem.

No you didn't, I'm getting sick and tired of him also. -- I@n ≡ talk 05:50, 1 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Are you sure you didn't mean to block User:203.222.131.136? -- 06:24, 1 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Your article, Celia Rosser, was selected for DYK!

On July 4, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Celia Rosser, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks for your contributions! ++Lar: t/c 15:32, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

So gross

Congratulations on being famous you made the DYK front page complete with mug shot. Gnangarra 13:00, 5 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bibliography of Australia

Are you aware of this [1] and this [2]? And is there anything similar for the Perth Gazette? -- I@n ≡ talk 03:24, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Remove loud trolling

Whoa, reading that brough me back to my acid days. =D --mboverload @ 12:06, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bird Atlas

As always not to hand. My late mum was one of the hills persons working on it. The 'old gang' of the RAOU who worked on it are all dead now - or close to, and it's a pity the art is focused on the new edition, as to start about 1st ed, and the RAOU would place it in a better historical context - for a start the level of computerisation compared to all the hand notes that theey had to deal with! SatuSuro 15:52, 6 July 2006 (UTC) give it a better historical perspective whatcha think?[reply]

Banksia cleanup

As long as they show up at WP:DYK, I'll have a shot at them. Feel free to ask me to look atany one article, though. Circeus 00:36, 7 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding your last message, Non-breaking spaces break wikilinks. If you need a link to remain in a word, use an underscore instead. I'll have a look at the article now, cheers! Circeus 02:21, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Not much to do: some style and nitpicky edits (e.g. where to use nbsps, link first occurences...). Removed a list of co-occuring specie sthat did not belong, and left somecomments in the source. Also, notes about jargon needing to be adressed are on the talk page. Circeus 02:53, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and whilenot by any a requirement for GA, beefing up the intro would be nice, intros are, ideally, a summary of the article, so adding a sentence or to summarize each sections would be a real improvement. Circeus 02:55, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

AFL Quiz

Since you got the last question right, people are eagerly anticipating your next question on the AFL Quiz. Cheers --Roisterer 01:48, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Don't forget to keep a constant eye on proceedings! ρ¡ρρµ δ→θ∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 12:07, 11 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You have two hobbies?!! ρ¡ρρµ δ→θ∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 03:04, 12 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Banksia rosserae image nomination

Hi I supported the commons nomination then stole your your nomination wording and nominated it here as well for featured picture Gnangarra 15:52, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Short Term

Could you look at the Tasmania and deadcow, can you do anything about it, or it might have already been... thanksSatuSuro 01:54, 11 July 2006 (UTC) Thanks SatuSuro 02:39, 11 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Banksia brownii

I have adjusted the naming in the article to the format taxa(common), I would say this is ready for WP:GA, dont think PR will offer anything. See what GA brings but this might be a good article for us to take to FA before taking Banksia Gnangarra 10:55, 11 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Umm..sounds good to me :)Cas Liber 11:07, 11 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I checked the links, I'm at home no special accesses all worked fine for me. Also as size isnt a criteria for FA I would like to take a run with this article. Just to let you all know that there are controversial discussions taking place on about the importance of GA vs FA. I kinda tangled up in the middle of them, I'm actually wanting to confront the size issue in FA but I need a solid article that can stand the scrutiny of the FA process. If this is a concern to you guys I'm happy for it not to go to FA. All that known I still think that the article should achieve FA status. Gnangarra 02:03, 12 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's definately a good article, I think to get it through FAC easily you need to play up why the species is interesting - rather that just a boring plant. In my opinion to do that you'd probably need to emphasise its rarity a bit more, conservation measures and plans, barriers to increasing the number of plants and so on - it probably wouldn't be a big addition of text, just strategic adjustments. There is no standard template for plant articles, but personally I prefer to have the taxonomy information sooner rather than later, Ragwort - the old Wikipedia:WikiProject Plants suggested article - has it following the description. --Peta 02:29, 12 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

well it looks like it already has one now --Astrokey44 04:44, 12 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have just reworded the description section, I remove the 4 meter hight such that it now normally grows 1-2m up to 6 in gulleys. I also altered the opening words onthe sentences about leaves. I think this reads a lot less chunky now. Gnangarra 03:22, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ok its been nominated for GA, take about 8-10 days to reviewed. Gnangarra 06:22, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ceratopsians and Banksias

Hmm-good point. I was wondering the other way of reproducing knowledge as in here if you scan down Ceratopsia how his goes with copyright (amazig what you can do with forward and backward slashses and dashes WRT cladograms...............Cas Liber 05:46, 12 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

thats it then,do you want to try the slashes and dashes or shall I.....Cas Liber 06:05, 12 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, if you have copies offline then I'd guess scrubbing them for the time being is prudent (now off to debate some antipsychiatry folk....) Cas Liber 06:10, 12 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Environment Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Act 1999

Hey when you have 5 mins can you please sense check this article I thinks I got lost in the govt lawyer induced say nothing double speek language of the site. Gnangarra 06:50, 12 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

thanks the rewrite is much better Gnangarra 07:19, 12 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

New articles

A dumb question, but is there a tool or page to list only NEW articles I've created? If not how else would one do that? -- I@n ≡ talk 11:31, 12 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations

You've made 12345 edits. See Image:Sgstats.jpg (Howzat! for a catch?).

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		As a result I hereby award you a barnstar. I@n ≡ talk 11:44, 12 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've always wanted to do that ;) Snottygobble 11:58, 12 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Tagged {{speedy}}, so grab it now if you want it! -- I@n ≡ talk 12:01, 12 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Done and goodnight. -- I@n ≡ talk 12:07, 12 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations, will your next target be 23456 edits. Gnangarra 12:05, 12 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. No targets; I await I@n's next sharp catch. Snottygobble 12:28, 12 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sweet! 12345 is such a cool number that if I had known I would have immediately retired from editing forever. But unfortunately I had already ticked it over by responding above, so I guess now I'll have to stick around until 123456. Snottygobble 11:54, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, the difference between 123456 and 12345 is only 111111 edits, so get to it! -- I@n ≡ talk 14:39, 12 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Re:Linkfix bot

See reply on my talk page. — Edward Z. Yang^(Talk) 03:31, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Banksia brownii intro looks fine

'nuff said :) Cas Liber 03:54, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Banksia ser. Spicigerae

Try this, I think I have a picture that show the whorl pattern I'll check commons out. Gnangarra 05:29, 13 July 2006 (UTC) Nice edit, I seem to be creating more work for you, the removal of the image is ok I should have checked that out before using. Gnangarra 05:58, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Great photo ;) (I can take it off ericifolia page now)Cas Liber 12:05, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

OK-I think every ericifolia image is used once somewhere within the banksia pages :) Cas Liber 12:10, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Userpage vandalism

Hello Snottygobble. Thanks for the userpage revert. I'm getting popular I think? I think it is some guy with many IPs who got angry because I sprotected Pakistan and User_talk:Ambuj.Saxena because they were undergoing the same kind of thing that happened to Xtra a while back. Many thanks, Blnguyen | rant-line 07:06, 13 July 2006 (UTC).[reply]

WA history

Hi do you know anything about the Emu War, or where I could find out more about it? Also in a vaguely realted vein is this article at the right name? Murchison region of Western Australia.--Peta 11:12, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I can't find anything about it on JSTOR or informit, it's not vital and I've been as vague as possible in the Emu article - but it'd be nice to confirm some details for the sister article. I will probably take it to FAC next week. Animal artilces are nice and easy - and luckily Australia has a lot of neat animals. I don't suppose you'd want to collabotate on Flora of Australia to get something like the fauna article and the natural history article I have started. I have got the books out on several occasions only to freak out at the size of the undertaking and taken them back again.--Peta 12:10, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've put a mock up of a structure for the flora article in my sandbox let me know what you think - I'll probably work on it in small chunks in the main namespace, just using the sandbox for planning. I would be doing any real work on it til next week.--Peta 09:38, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Coalface

v. intersting being at it when the giants are creating :) SatuSuro 01:14, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

thought i might, the message is offline SatuSuro 01:18, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

n dashes

Hi, thx for you message. I don't seem to be up-to-date on html en dashes. I can see the table at the top of dash, and the html code that I've been using looks to be the simplest. For some reason, em dashes work just fine as a character alone, using my computer. It would be great to use a single keystroke for the en dash, too. Tony 01:52, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks; that sounds like Windows. I use keystroke en dashes all the time (Option-hyphen), but on WP they won't work. Em dashes do work.

PS Thanks, I've just tried the keystroke en dash, and lo and behold, it does work; it usen't to work. GREAT! Tony 02:19, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Psephos

Margana is still mindlessly reverting and is trying to avoid being blocked for 3RR by waiting 24 hours and then reverting the same edit. This apears to me to breach the spirit of 3RR. Xtra 01:28, 16 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Your article, Banksia ser. Spicigerae, was selected for DYK!

On July 16, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Banksia ser. Spicigerae, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks for your contributions! ++Lar: t/c 05:14, 16 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cool, we're both on the main page. -- I@n ≡ talk 05:32, 16 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

We've just had a WP:GA nomination fail for Banksia brownii, and I'm feeling very very grumpy about it at the moment. I think the article is just about FA quality, so to miss GA was a fair old kick in the teeth. I'll be logging off now until my urge to yell at someone has subsided. Snottygobble 05:41, 16 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My condolences - particularly given its name. If there's anything I can do please sing out. It would appear there'd be good grounds for appealing though. Go the Dockers! -- I@n ≡ talk 06:04, 16 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I had felt the same, so I went wandering through Kings Parks, away from the hordes on the grass. See banksia project page for what i found. Gnangarra 09:09, 16 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, but no-one here is as crass as you. I was actually referring to my own good self (think about it) rather than a rude word which you apparently were!!! -- I@n ≡ talk 12:46, 16 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

CALM to DCE

Is it easier for admins to do changes on refs/links to the recent change/ or is it the same for us plod eds? ie most nat park entries have calm - it has been absorbed into DCE now, as a consequence there are many arts with incorrecct entries/refs/names. cheers SatuSuro 07:12, 16 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that! SatuSuro 01:28, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hell! I do hope I didnt mislead you about acronym and cause all that extra work! sorry if I did! :( SatuSuro 03:33, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Brockman deletions

Hi Snotty,

Dunno if you are concerned about the beachborough succession pages or not but there are a lot of new deleters lately. If you'd like to see them stay be advised you'll need to log onto their AFD pages and opine. Sandwich Eater 18:07, 16 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Move

No problem. Looks like a bot mix up.--Peta 00:18, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Flora

I don't suppose you've come across a list of Australian flowering plant families using the APGII classification - I don't want to manually convert the Conquist list.--Peta 23:27, 18 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

GA- b/brownii

Snottygobble can you please stop questioning worldtraveller about this article it, as suggested the dispute was withdrawn. I personally think your over stepping the mark by continuing. There is no further need for input on B.Brownii, the continuation of this dispute is only going to be detremental to the article and the banksia project. Gnangarra 17:14, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I can upload Banksia brownii images later tonight - Cas Liber 03:22, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Here you go.....forgot I had this, buried away in a silly folder somewhere.Cas Liber 11:37, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

PS: Needless to say, upload it - I had a quikc look but couldn't figure out best place to put it so go for your lifeCas Liber 11:38, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Busy

{{busy}} See you all on the other side of a few very busy days. Snottygobble 13:32, 21 July 2006 (UTC) What a maginificent notification! See you when you are back!SatuSuro 13:42, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm back. Snottygobble 12:44, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

your back that was quick Gnangarra 12:44, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actually that was premature. I'm just too keen I guess. Snottygobble 03:11, 24 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{busy}} I'm back take two. Snottygobble 00:15, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I knew he'd come back. He can't help himself (so sad) ;) -- I@n 02:25, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I know; it's a textbook case of middle-stage Wikipediholism. Snottygobble 02:36, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You have e-mail

I@n 04:51, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Herbarium

Sorry, no idea. I'm more intereseted in botanty at the genus/family level. Have you tried the Australian Herbarium online or the Nat. Botanic Gardens sites?--Peta 06:12, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]