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Wikipedia:LGBT notice board/Archive 1 -- 2005 Postings
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Action items

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LGBT articles up for collaboration votes

2006 World Outgames nominated for WP:AID - Davodd 02:53, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Gay press is no longer nominated as a WP:COTW. --SatyrTN 14:17, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Categories for deletion

Since the issues come up fairly often at CFD, with sometimes wildly different decision, there is now a posted policy at Wikipedia:Categorization/Gender, race and sexuality.

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion (current)

Wikipedia:Proposed deletion (current)

Gerber/Hart Library - Chicago's 25-year-old gay and lesbian library

Articles with disputes

Morrissey: discussion of whether it is reasonable to include a section on Morrissey's homosexuality. David | Talk 20:49, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Homosexuality and transgender some people wish to merge this and probably other articles in one all-encompassing article about the sexuality of transpeople, despite the fact that this particular article has little to do with the topic; see also what links there and why. Reason is probably the less-than-desireable on-goings at Blanchard, Bailey, and Lawrence theory which has been heavily edited, but that seems to be not exactly a good reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. -- John Smythe 08:54, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Anon is attempting to politicize American Bison. Haiduc 12:36, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Another gay militant "struggling" to expunge any connection between pederasty and his notion of GLBT. Has been toying with the template [[Template:LGBT]] as well as with the article. Haiduc 11:06, 26 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Matthew Shepard. After a long calm. User:SpinyNorman is contesting the meaning of "hate-crime" again. -- Samuel Wantman 02:11, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Talk:Homophobia -- yet another dispute over the definition of the term. Exploding Boy 20:25, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
*Talk:Voice feminization: Whether women born with a female body, as opposed to transwoman, should be called "ciswomen" in the article, or plain "women". Both sides allege that one use is insulting. -- AlexR 20:02, 27 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

AlexR is correct that there is a dispute. I would like to add that up until very recently when AlexR added it to cisgender a search on google of ciswoman site:en.wikipedia.org produced a find for only Voice feminization or conversations related to Voice Feminization which is why the description toggles between ciswoman and woman. FemVoice 21:44, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Again, sexual cleansing has lapped up to the shores of Category:Pederasty and a person who would like it to not have anything to do with Category:LGBT keeps on deleting it from its parent category. Haiduc 03:07, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Please keep an eye on Judy Garland, a WP:GA. It seems an anon doesn't like the fact that she is linked to gay rights. Davodd 19:18, 17 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Talk:Transgender and Talk:Homosexuality and transgender - There's some dispute over the proper use of the term "homosexual" when referring to transpeople and their relationships. - AdelaMa e ^{(talk - contribs)} 07:34, 17 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The Bible and homosexuality - someone (their username is a load of numbers) is trying to remove the Jehu + Jehonadab section. horseboy 13:02, 23 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Argument occuring in relation to bisexual allegations and picture in Tyrone Power's article- comments appreciated at Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2006-03-03_Tyrone_Power. Arniep 16:06, 11 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Adam Yosef and Peter Tatchell. Dispute over how to describe Yosef's January 2006 column for Desi Express attacking Tatchell. David | Talk 20:37, 3 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Can someone urgently revert Irishpunktom's recent edit to Peter Tatchell? It is unsourced, POV, irrelevant, mis-spelled and provably factually incorrect. David | Talk 16:13, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Lee LaHaye has recently become a POV mess.
- I don't want anything. It is related to the term by its very nature. You seem to believe the links about chest hair and the like such as sexual orientation are more relevant, but you are in fact trying to hide the illicit and illegal activities connected to the Twink subculture. 68.110.9.62 17:23, 19 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  - Note that 68.110.9.62 has since been blocked 48 hours for vandalism. David | Talk 17:44, 19 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Talk:Children Of Lesbians And Gays Everywhere Should COLAGE be listed under Category:LGBT organizations? Weigh in. Dave 19:56, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Or should category be restricted to groups that are for LGBT people rather than their supporters? Grace Note 02:58, 13 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Heterophobia - An anon user is repeatedly inserting POV claims that heterophobia is rampant among "gynosupremacist" lesbians. Bearcat 03:07, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Cisgender is a kind of obscure term that's fairly important to trans issues. The problem is that there aren't many good references online, and it's hard to find them without access to a good database or queer studies journals. There's somebody threatening to AfD it because of the lack of Google hits, even though there are a few good references already named on the page. Help out with some academic references, maybe? Dave 02:06, 26 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Requests for comment

Talk:List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people - Is one book which asserts a historian's own personal interpretation of historical documents a sufficient source to list someone as LGBT, when no other source is known to share that view?
Wikipedia:Portal/Proposals#Portal:LGBT - Is a portal needed? Current consensus is pointing toward no.
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject LGBT studies - questions about LGBT categorization
Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Wikipedia:Conservative_notice_board The Conservative notice board was deleted after modelling itself after this notice board. There is a move to bar AfD and CfD postings from this page. -- Samuel Wantman 06:15, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Talk:Autogynephilia#"Two Type Theory of Transsexuality" Debate over whether one or all theories about the causes of transgender and transsexualism need(s) its/their own article has escalated - a neutral third opinion is desperately needed, preferably before this moves into article space.
Please refer to Talk:List of gay slang words and phrases#Future of the gay slang list - Should this be merged back into gay slang and if so or if not, how can we make it comply with WP:V and WP:NOR? Also, should the list in some form be moved to Wiktionary or Wikibooks since WP is not a dictionary or slang usage guide (WP:NOT). - Davodd 18:40, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Talk:Bill Graham - Should a biographical article acknowledge the existence of longstanding rumours about a public figure's sexual orientation? Nobody thinks we should treat the rumours as true — the dispute is about whether WP should even acknowledge that such rumours exist.
Talk:Gay rights has some discussion as to whether or not it is appropriate to incorporate the rainbow flag into LGBT-related pages.
Chickenhawk (sexuality) The whole article seems to be one long diatribe against age-disparate homosexuality, with every homophobic cliche thrown in.
- I just did some serious pruning. It is barely more than a stub now. -Seth Mahoney 22:38, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  - Whats the opposite term? For twinks that fancy old guys? (Old as in "older", e.g. 40ish) horseboy 18:30, 12 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Talk:Barbara Amesbury: If a transwoman was already notable before her transition, how can we handle her competing desires to retain credit for public accomplishments dating from before her transition, while simultaneously not being outed as a transwoman against her will?
Peppermint Patty and its Talk page: Trouble dealing with the characterization of Peppermint Patty's relationship with Marcy.
Pederasty in the modern world; Material of long standing broken out of overlong Pederasty article and set up in its own article is challenged by a user. It would be good to have some people familiar with the topic look over things to make sure that one bias is not replaced by another bias. In particular there is disagreement over integrating conflicting definitions, one more general and another more restrictive.

Templates for deletion

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Requested moves

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Ongoing discussions

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Recent decisions

Categories for deletion

Category:Gay icons (Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 April 8) The result was no consensus (keep). Three weeks later, after being nominated for a rename (Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 April 27) the result was Delete.
Category:Lesbian sportspeople (CfD log 2006 March 5) The consensus was keep.
Category:Pederastic deities (CfD log 2006 February 26) The consensus was delete and use Category:Pederastic heroes and deities instead.
Category:Monosexual Wikipedians and Category:Bi-curious Wikipedians (CfD log February 25} The consensus was delete.
Category:Bisexual actors (CfD log 2006 February 19) The result was no consensus (keep).
Category:Homosexual_Wikipedians (CfD log 2006 February 16) The consensus was delete.
Category:LGBT criminals (CfD log 2006 February 8) The consensus was delete.
Category:Transgendered (Male-Bodied) (CfD log 2006 Feb 06) The consensus was delete.
Category:Pederasty (CfD log 2006 February 5) The consensus was keep.
Category:LGBT serial killers (CfD log January 31) The consensus was delete.
Category:Gay, lesbian or bisexual people is up for a transgender-inclusive rename. This was actually proposed before and passed. See CfD log January 31 The consensus was "Rename". The new name is Category:Lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender people
Category:LGBT murderers after being listed for deletion three times, (CfD log 2006 January 26), (CfD log 2005 December 29) and (CfD log 2005 November 25) The final consensus was delete.
Category:Gay soldiers. (CfD log 2005 January 11) The consensus was delete.

Articles for deletion

See also archives: 2005

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/L. Craig Schoonmaker (3rd nomination) The consensus was delete.
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Opposition to homosexuality The consensus was delete and redirect.
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Autogynephilia The consensus was keep.
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Homosexual interpretations of Batman The consensus was to merge the text back into Batman and turn it into a redirect.
Singaporean gay topics:
- Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Singapore gay literature
- Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Singapore public gay parties
- Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Singapore gay art
- Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Singapore gay theatre
- Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Singapore gay films
  All were relisted separately within hours of a no-consensus closure on a previous batch AFD. The second time there was still no consensus (keep).
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aaron Webster, Canadian man killed by bashers in 2001 (this was a major news story in Canada). The consensus was keep.
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Benjamin Bradley - gay porn star Benjamin Bradley. The result was no consensus (keep).
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Criticisms of sexual behavior puts into perspective criticisms of sexuality in general by listing them together. The consensus was delete.
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cisgender The consensus was keep.
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Homosexual recruitment The consensus was keep.
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mychub The consensus was delete.
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sexual apartheid The consensus was no consensus.
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gender apartheid The consensus was no consensus.
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Manuel Torres (porn star) - Keep
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of gay slang words and phrases - no consensus
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gaydar (website) - Keep

Templates for deletion

Resolved disputes

Jami A number of editors, who all share a common characteristic, are attempting to prevent proper documentation of pederastic themes in the thought and opus of this Persian writer and mystic in particular, and - in general - of any and all Persian artists whose opus reflects in some way the cultural realities of the pederastic tradition in pre-modern Persia. Modern mainstream scholarship, both Western and Iranian is summarily dismissed as "opinion," with no material presented to argue against the citations or against the clearly pederastic topos of the artist's works cited. Haiduc 01:41, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Pederasty - user with opinions at work on the article, plus has ethnic bias for protecting Persians ancestors from unseemly associations. Haiduc 05:51, 26 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Saint John Bosco Several historians have discussed Giovanni Bosco's work with boys as a manifestation of his sublimated homoerotic inclinations. The matter has been discussed on the talk page of the article and a moderated version of the original inclusion has been largely agreed to by one other user, but a spoiler resists any analysis: "Take it elsewhere, but it doesn't belong on this page." Haiduc 23:52, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Twink (gay slang): 68.110 has turned his attention to this article which he wants linked to Child grooming and Ephebophilia (attraction to post-pubescent adolescents). He seems determined to revert war over it. David | Talk 17:19, 19 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Robert Baden-Powell, 1st Baron Baden-Powell This article included a proportionate discussion of widely accepted research documenting evidence indicating the founder of the Boy Scouts to have been a repressed homosexual with a distinct - but chaste - interest in boys. The section had been there for about one year, supported by several editors. Recently, a number of brand new accounts, all with ostensible links to the Boy Scouts of America, an organization with a declared anti-homosexual agenda, have descended on all articles in the Wikipedia involving Scouting and are re-fshioning them to their liking. They have strong-armed the removal and banishment of the embarrassing information about their founder to a page dedicated to the "review" of the authoritative biography of Baden-Powell, leaving in the article a misleading paragraph as a link to that "review". It is of note that none of the BSA contributors to the discussion have read the book, while the two older editors supporting the inclusion of the information have read it. Haiduc 21:07, 4 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Pederasty in Ancient Greece User with peculiar view of Greek practices ("You need read Phaedrus and Symposium in original Greek, there is NOTHING homosexual in those works. And you talk of chaste pederasty are you crazy?") keeps slapping "Disputed" tag on article. Haiduc 01:04, 13 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Talk:North American Man/Boy Love Association Poll: Should the article North American Man/Boy Love Association be listed under Category:LGBT organizations? Vote here. Homey 22:17, 7 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- I might remind everyone to vote with their mind and not just knee-jerk with a "no" because the idea of pedophilia disgusts you. The question is whether NAMBLA is a homosexual organization. NAMBLA is an organization which promotes sex between males, that is, homosexual sex, and is composed of gay pedophiles. // paroxysm (n) 22:28, 7 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  - The tone of the debate can be judged by the reference by one extreme contributor to "organised faggotry"!!! FearÉIREANN\^(caint) 23:04, 8 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
This article is currently under mediation. —Guan aco 00:31, 11 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Some more homophobia in Talk:NAMBLA. Seems to be coming to a consensus, but worth keeping an eye on… — OwenBlacker 14:19, 7 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Homoerotic art is being arbitrarily redefined as hetero-erotic and deleted from articles on Köçek and Pederasty. Also, the Peter Lamborn Wilson article has just been categorized in Category:Pedophilia. All of these issues relate to age-structured homosexuality. Haiduc 22:46, 5 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Pederasty in the modern world Trying to avoid a tug of war with another editor. A third (or fourth or fifth) opinion would be very welcome. Haiduc 01:24, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Batman again. A motivated user ("the gay thing is ofending" and "don't spoil this one for us") first deleted all references to a gay reading of the comic, and then changed tack and went on a full scale "pedophilia" assault. He has belabored the article beyond recognition at his point, perhaps to make reverts awkward. Haiduc 04:40, 25 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Is Westboro Baptist Church a "cult"? Guanaco 03:02, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Why do you ask? Did it say that in the article at some point? I don't think it is ever appropriate for a Wikipedia article to state, "X is a cult," since cult has become an inherently negative term. It's certainly legitimate to say, "Group A claims that X is a cult," though. Is there a specific part of the WBC article that needs attention? - AdelaMae ^{(talk - contribs)} 02:47, 6 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Recent articles

July 2006

2006 World Outgames - is on, so needs daily updates From July 29 - August 5

June 2006

Homosexual transsexual Crappiest article I have seen in quite a while, and very, very, very POV into the bargain. Tried some cleanup, but opposed deletion of Autogynephilia by the main author, and don't want this to become anything personal. -- John Smythe 18:11, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm just complexly confused and became more so by reading the article. What does a person's gender identity have to do with their affectional preference? Maybe I missed something? CyntWorkStuff 19:06, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Portal:LGBT - chip in and help build it. Davodd 22:02, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
GayFest - article about the Bucharest pride festival held every year. Ronline | Today, solidarity and hope 03:57, 4 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Jody Dobrowski - Murder victim in UK. Original article, a very short stub, had been deleted at AfD without notice by anyone here. -- Samuel Wantman 20:19, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

April 2006

Wikipedia:Wikiproject LGBT studies has been started to focus on specific LGBT/Queer-topic articles of academic interest. Please feel free to join in on this project. Our goals: the LGBT articles in this project will be feature articles when we are through with them. Also, we will identify information that may be more appropriate in other Wikimedia projects (Textbooks, lists of Quotes) in order to beef up the academic quality of Wikimedia LGBTQI offerings. Davodd 17:53, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

March 2006

Pro-gay slogans and symbols--needs expansion (see talk page and my edit summary on the page), should be linked to in the see also section of several articles. I will do some of them, but I might miss some. Please help. The Ungovernable Force 07:45, 30 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

January 2006

Instruction Concerning the Criteria for the Discernment of Vocations with regard to Persons with Homosexual Tendencies in view of their Admission to the Seminary and to Holy Orders

October 2005

September 2005

Articles needing work

Stubs can be found at Category:LGBT stubs and Category:LGBT rights activist stubs.

Axel and Eigil Axgil plenty of room for expansion; see source website linked from the article SP-KP 23:16, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
History of lesbianism needs serious attention from a knowledgeable person with good research and writing skills. It now looks like a lot of un-cited original research and unsupported POV with a generally poor organizational structure. Some have added good info, but much more needs to be done. Ande B 02:01, 31 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
LGBT rights in Iran, ~~Homosexuality in Iran~~(merged), and Transsexuality in Iran - first two require copyediting and sources; last two require sigificant expansion. SouthernComfort 15:44, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Clothing laws by country could use some information about cross-dressing laws around the world. -- Beland 22:35, 8 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Social aspects of clothing has a new section, "Sexual orientation" in which I have attempted to describe how clothing is used to send social signals related to sexual orientation. It could use some peer review. -- Beland 22:35, 8 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
TransgenderI already listed the article on Wikipedia:Cleanup#April 8,2006; forgot to list it here, too. Article is a complete mess. In my opinion there should be a few cuts - this article cannot replace all the other articles in the WP that deal with transgender issues, and it sure looks like it tries at the moment, making it such a mess. -- AlexR 14:00, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Lesbian and bisexual celebrities: I came across this on the New Pages page today. Is this a fork? Because I doubt a list like this hasn't been created before, but I wouldn't know where to look. --Calton | Talk 05:48, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- It must be a fork. I'm guessing it was a deleted page (because none of the information is sourced) but under a different name. Or maybe it's from a different site. I can't prove it, because I can't read deleted content. I can't find anything on google either. Check out the creator though. ~a (user • talk • contribs) 05:17, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Relevant user conduct disputes

MSTCrow (talk · contribs) Gay pride article. -- tasc ^talk_deeds 08:26, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
68.110.9.62 (talk · contribs) feuding with Haiduc. Discussion about this has been moved here.
71.143.3.205 (talk · contribs) - has repeatedly added Category:Gay, lesbian or bisexual people to articles on serial killers. Many are already filed in Category:LGBT serial killers (which is a potentially problematic category itself), but the user has also applied the category to some articles which contain no indication in either the article or its references that the person ever identified or was identifiable as LGBT, other than a generalized aura of deviant sexuality.
69.22.98.162 (talk · contribs) - persistently adding homophobic POV to articles about historical people who may have been LGBT. Also adding homophobic disinformation to articles on pederasty and Ancient Greece. —Guan aco 02:04, 25 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
WritersCramp (talk · contribs) - "I am a proud homophobic!" See Wikipedia:Requests for comment/WritersCramp for details. —Guan aco 23:20, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Gpscholar (talk · contribs) - Not sure if this is the right place to put this. Edits need to be seriously checked, sources needed, and cleaned up, with some articles possibly needing to be deleted. Don't have time to do this myself. Dysprosia 04:14, 25 February 2006 (UTC) Done a bit, will probably need another pair of eyes. Dysprosia 08:08, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]