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In the news

Lee Jae-myung in 2024
Lee Jae-myung
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Technical issues

Konqueror

Konqueror has a problem when viewing this section of the Main Page: it displays texts of the events with the same width as the text of the first event, showing large blank area below the image. I have changed sample template on this page so that it is displayed properly in Konqueror. Is it acceptable? How does it looks in other browsers? Nikola 09:42, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)

  • I have feeling this is related to the use of
    markup in the template, for the image. I don't know why we are using html instead of wikimarkup. blankfaze | (беседа!) 12:02, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)

ITN was vandalised

Some anon just replaced it with a mention of our controversial childlove article, with a wikilink to an article on VfD. Would it be prudent to block this user (216.255.48.36)? Johnleemk | Talk 13:45, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)

He did it again. Reverted, message left. –Hajor
User has been blocked for 24 hours by Ilyanep. Johnleemk | Talk 14:23, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)
For me, main page vandalism is automatic grounds to block someone for 24-72 hours. →Raul654 17:47, Aug 18, 2004 (UTC)

Any reason we don't protect this article?

Is there any reason that these main page template articles don't go the path of the main page and become protected? People could still suggest changes to it via this talk page...Then we wouldn't have the chance of a vandalized front page, which ihmo is a horrible thing! — マイケル ₪ 14:06, Aug 20, 2004 (UTC)

Due to continual vandalism, I've protected this page. These new main page templates didn't exist when I used to contribute to wikipedia, however it used to be consider preferable to have only sysops edit the main page, and keep it protected, than to allow anyone to edit it, including would-be vandals. This was considered justifiable because our main page is our most visable page. It might be that this concensus has changed since I've been gone. However seeing as this page is getting continually vandalized, and does reflect a section of the front page, I have protected it following our OLD policy. Anyone is more than welcome to unprotect it if concensus on this issue has changed, but I think we should seriously consider keeping front page templates protected. I'm sure there are plenty of sysops willing to update it continuously. — マイケル ₪ 20:53, Aug 20, 2004 (UTC)
I believe the reason these template articles aren't protected is because if they were then non-admins couldn't edit them, and that's a bad thing. Temporary protection during periods of vandalism by multiple different IP addresses is reasonable, though. anthony (see warning) 20:55, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Well, this didn't used to be considered a bad thing. In fact, most users, including those who were not admins, agreed it was preferable to our MAIN PAGE being viewed while vandalized. A few sysops watched the talk page for suggested changes, and made them when nessessary. — マイケル ₪ 21:22, Aug 20, 2004 (UTC)
We aren't all admins Dmn / Դմն 21:07, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I've unprotected for the time being. →Raul654 21:11, Aug 20, 2004 (UTC)
I realize this, as I've stated in my above reasoning for keeping it protected. The process with the old main page involved putting requested changes on THIS talk page, and then sysops would make those changes. No one ever complained about it, becuase it was prefered to the continual revertion of vandalism. I realize it is less likely with the new template system, but vandals are starting to get smart. They see a flaw, and we should plug it, before it becomes a problem noticable to outside visitors. — マイケル ₪ 21:22, Aug 20, 2004 (UTC)

I don't think we should let the recent vandalism cause these templates to be locked. That seems too much like letting the vandals win. If you look at the history, you'll see it was reverted within three minutes. I've given reasons for not protecting pages before 1, 2 3, so I won't repeat myself here, but I oppose protection of these templates. Angela. 00:36, Aug 21, 2004 (UTC)

Whilst I do not oppose the protection of most of the main page templates, I think this one should be an exception. The in the news section needs to be able to be edited quickly sometimes (an important story breaks). For this reason all users need to be able to edit. We can deal with vandalism by reverion, temp protection and blocking the vandals. it's annoying bu reasonably easy for admins to revert vandals. For non admins it's slighly harder but not that bad. [[User:Theresa knott|]] 00:48, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Keeping this page editable only to administrators defeats the whole purpose of Wikipedia, and is a complete failure of the system, IMHO. --Cantus 01:50, Aug 21, 2004 (UTC)

Elmer Bernstein

I tried to correct this edit - Bernstein died at 82, not 92. Can some admin please do this for me? Marcus2 01:18, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)

The template is currently protected. I'll mention this on the Edit Summary to get some attention from someone. Hope this works. -- PFHLai 01:52, 2004 Aug 21 (UTC)
Thanks to User:Hajor, the problem is now fixed. -- PFHLai 02:28, 2004 Aug 21 (UTC)

Sports

Arena Football

This seems really unimportant. Despite the comment for the edit, this is not the popular American football league. The Wikipedia article says that the average attendance of these games is about 10,000, and several news sources report that the ArenaBowl XVIII had an attendance of about 18,000! This, compared to the hundreds of millions of people that follow the European football championships, and the many other important news stories that could be put here. This replaced the Euro news item also, which certainly belongs more than this one does. If the Arena football does not belong alongside the Euro news item, it doesn't belong at all. Are we going to put the minor league baseball championship and the dozen(?) college football bowl games on as well, even when they don't have any major update in their articles? This news item is minor even in the United States, and this is supposed to be an international website. If we're putting minor U.S.-specific news articles in, there are many others much more significant than the Arena Bowl. - Centrx 23:54, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)

It was on national television on one of the three big networks. San Jose is a city of about 1 million people, Phoenix is also a very large city, therefore it is newsworthy. This was the championship of the league, not a semi-final game. When there is a Euro champion, then it might belong on the main page. Gentgeen 00:15, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)
... and EURO 2004 was on, err, pretty much every major network in Europe (except where they conflict on target audience); many many millions of people watching. It's a different scale.
James F. (talk) 00:26, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)
If the criteria is that they be finals, then neither should be there. The ArenaBowl is simply not that important, and there are many other, more significant, U.S.-specific things that we could include and they would all be of more relevance to the en.w.o world than the Arena Bowl. Why is that the criteria anyway? It can't be interest, because hundreds of millions of people are interested in the Euro 2004 first-round matches (not even the semi-finals) yet the final had an attendance of only about 18,000 for the Arena Bowl. In other words, if that's the criteria, we should place every Major League Baseball game result on the In the News before we put the Arena Bowl championship. It can't be the quality of the athletes, because many of the top-notch American football players go to the NFL rather than Arena football, yet the Euro 2004 teams are national teams that are some of the best each country can proffer.
It doesn't matter about the size of the city if it's not a popular sport. People play all sorts of obscure sports and it doesn't mean they're popular just because the city the team is in is large. It just doesn't matter what the size of the city is if only 1% of them are interested anyway. And in direct response to this argument, the Czech Republic has over 10 million people and Denmark has over 5 million, and the other countries mentioned have over 37 million people in them combined. The level of interest of the populations of these countries is also significantly more than that in the United States. Quite simply, magnitudes more people in English-speaking countries other than the U.S. are interested in the Euro championship than the Arena Bowl, and I wouldn't be surprised if more people are interested in it than the Arena Bowl in the United States too.
In addition, there has been no significant modification of the articles that are mentioned in the Arena Bowl news item, including the bolded item, which is a criteria for inclusion here.- Centrx 00:37, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)

baseball?

And now we have a story about a baseball team as the top story! Why? This really is local news. Filiocht 13:41, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I don't think it's merely local news. Major league baseball has an international fan base. Each team's roster is also filled with players from various countries. The relocation is not just sports news, but also business news, methinks.... It's now old news, so never mind ... -- PFHLai 23:59, 2004 Sep 30 (UTC)
The Major League is not even an international league. And the news is not even about who won this year but only about who hit the ball more often than others. Shall we next start writing about David Beckham's new hairstyle because girls all over the planet fancy him? Get-back-world-respect 00:36, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)
The Major League is not even an international league. The people of Toronto would like to have a chat with you. --Golbez 02:57, Oct 3, 2004 (UTC)
Neither Montreal nor Toronto is in the United States. ..... And major league baseball has two leagues .... never mind. Sigh .... An 84-year old record was broken by a "Japanese import" playing in America ! How can it be related to Beckham's hair ????? Please stop trolling. -- PFHLai 08:30, 2004 Oct 3 (UTC)
Would the French soccer league also qualify as international as Monaco has a team? Come on, in how far does a baseball record affect the world more than Beckham's hair? Get-back-world-respect 00:33, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I'd like to apologize for accusing User:Get-back-world-respect of trolling. I no longer think this way. It's more of a case of people not familiar with the baseball world. There are indeed low level news items in baseball at the Beckham hair level. I sincerely and honestly think that the hits record (a feat) and the loss of the one and only franchise in French Canada (end of an era) were not random news, but legitimate top news items, and will likely be featured in "year in review" type TV programming. They're old news now, never mind. -- PFHLai 16:36, 2004 Oct 13 (UTC)

We really need to decide on a sports news policy. We clearly can't have news stories posted by any random about the fantastic Port Klaxonborough Tigers Baseball Team in the Super Major Bowl League and how they've just got a new CEO and snatched the flank winger pitcher batter forward from the reigning Premiers, the New Borg Goats. It seems lately we have had over-excited sports fans posting very localised news which they seem to think is relevant to the whole world just because there are fans in countries other than where it is played. I guarantee you 99% of Australians wouldn't give a toss about anything to do with American baseball. I don't know about other countries, so I can't speak for them. Either way, I feel we really should keep sport out of In The News except for very large-scale news like Superbowl, FIFA World Cup, Paralympics, Olympics, stuff like that. Can we sort out a policy about this? - Mark 05:40, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I am kind of tired of having people at CNN, etc. dictate what I learn about the world. I encourage postings on news items about the latest development in anything significant in Australia, or any country. Please keep us updated and enlightened, and please don't restrict the scope to just politics and natural disasters. Life on this planet includes many other things that can be considered news. Please don't categorically censor out sports news, as sports is part of human culture. Random news ? No. Trivia ? No. Top news items ? Please do. -- PFHLai 16:36, 2004 Oct 13 (UTC)

"Americanism" vs. "Internationalism"

See /"Americanism" vs. "Internationalism"
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Suggestions for stories

From Main Page News

This page is about suggestion for Main Page, section In the news:

I suggest include information about human cloning, specially in the UK. Seee http://education.guardian.co.uk/higher/research/story/0,9865,1280916,00.html (User:Mac)

[[User:Sverdrup|User:Sverdrup]] 11:22, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Czesław Miłosz died on August 14, 2004

A great Polish poet, winner of Nobel Prize in Literature in 1980, Czesław Miłosz died on August 14, 2004. Rafał Pocztarski 20:16, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Now posted on the Template:In the news and in Current events. -- PFHLai 15:34, 2004 Aug 15 (UTC)
Thanks. Rafał Pocztarski 00:46, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Qs about particular stories

Regis

Is this really news? Well, I suppose it is in some sense, but interesting enough to warrant its inclusion in the hallowed Wikinews box? mat_x 15:24, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I kinda like it; to me, the ITN box is for things that are interesting, but less likely to be found in mainstream press. Example: the Serbian coat of arms and anthem; the new Saturnian moons (picked up mainstream but I saw it here first), etc. Maybe have one story like that, and one "real" story, like Hurricane Charley or the latest in Iraq. That's just my feeling about it.
Put another way: The Regis thing should go into ITN, but it should not go into Current Events. That's straight news. ITN is more of a "hey, look at what neat things just happened" to me. --Golbez 15:44, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Péter Medgyessy

Should the Péter Medgyessy article be posted on the Template:In the news ? It's been tagged as dubious and "in need of attention" ! -- PFHLai 03:31, 2004 Aug 21 (UTC)

I've just removed it. The Olympics is taking so much space on the MainPage, anyway.... -- PFHLai 04:45, 2004 Aug 22 (UTC)

A major civil war in Iraq is likely ?

Which article has been updated regarding "The British Royal Institute of International Affairs reports that a major civil war in Iraq is likely, affecting the entire Middle East." ? I can't find it. Should this item be removed from Template:In the news if there are no updates in the relevant articles ? I assume someone is typing. I may check again later today .... -- PFHLai 15:29, 2004 Sep 8 (UTC)

Serbian evolution crisis

Is this really major news? Looks more like Serbian local news. I don't really think it belongs here. [[User:Anárion| (Anárion)]] 13:15, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Software protests

Just to let everyone know - I have a rough draft for tomorrow's ITN to include the European software protests. It's a bit out of the ordinary in that (a) the image it uses is horizontal instead of verital, and (b) it has an external link (to the official protest site). →Raul654 18:04, Apr 13, 2004 (UTC)

I removed this:

File:Software patents.png

I think this issue is insignificant (especially when compared to all the other articles). Would you see this on the front page of a paper newspaper? This is not Slashdot. And don't forget:

Please do not add stories to this page that have not had their articles updated yet in light of the story. Do not add links to stubs or poor quality articles.

Kent Wang 04:52, 14 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Canadian election

Oh great God of the "In the news" section, Centrix: I will be adding the election to the news in roughly 14 hours from now, and I would ask that you don't revert it. Perhaps the Serbian election is important for now, but it's not as important as the Canadian election. In spite of popular belief, Canada does have more people than Serbia, plus the election page for the Canadian election rivals no other. (Just look at how big they are!). Earl Andrew 02:59, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)

It has nothing to do with Canada itself. The fact is that there are hundreds of national-level elections worldwide in election years and it is simply not possible to put them all "In the News", and foolish to have two news items for each, one before advising of the forthcoming election and one after reporting the results. The Canadian elections do not compare to the Serbian elections in significance, and it has nothing to do with population. The reason the Serbian election is important is because there was great fear that the ultranationalist ally of Milosevic would, if elected, lead the nation back to the violent and ethnically divisive past. This is a party that advocates uniting all Serb lands under a single "Great Serb state". That effects a whole lot of people, many more than the Canadian elections. Under his leadership, by the way, many people were killed and hundreds of thousands of people were displaced from their homes, resulting in NATO intervention and further violence. Unlike in Serbia, there is no international peacekeeping force from 30 different countries threatened by violence in Canada (indeed, in this way, the populations affected by this election far exceeds that affected by the Canadian election). There is no danger of armed conflict dependent on the outcome of the elections in Canada. The people of the United States do not fear ethnic cleansing coming from the north. This is not the first test of democracy in Canada in 60 years, and one after several failed votes. I will not so fully exemplify the Pakistani resignation, but it is a significant indication of the current balance of power in the nation. That is, the army seems to be the de facto power. This is a nation with nuclear weapons in a longstanding feud with India; it is in a crucial position in housing and fighting al Qaeda and the Taliban. These are particularly unusual and international situations, unlike that of the Canadian election. This is the reason that both these news items have been in the top two stories of Google News, a fair indicator of the importance news outlets have placed on it. It is the reason it is the top story in the BBC website's Europe section. It is the reason that it will be on page A3 instead of page A20 of tomorrow's paper.
So, I don't see how you can think the Canadian election is more important than either of these, and I thoroughly don't understand how you can think that the Serbian election only has importance "now" yet the Canadian election has some longer-standing importance. From the issues listed in the article, it doesn't look like any of them are important internationally. The only one of international effect (Iraq war) is no more important than the several other nations that supported the war and have no troops there. Anyway, I hope you at least see that its silly to put a news article about something that hasn't even happened yet, when it isn't of a groundbreaking nature and it is quite clear when it's going to happen and that the article is going to be modified quite substantially. Should people read the article before the election and then wade through it again after the election after its modified in the news? No, as it says many places on the site, "Wikipedia is not a news report." The article is not yet of an encyclopedic threshhold at which past facts are recorded, at which the facts of the matter are, if not fully documented in the encyclopedia, still determined in reality, etched in the stone of time. - Centrx 06:38, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I do not agree about the importance of Serbian election. It's primarily important to US media because of the longstanding past conflict between US and Milosevic. In Europe (where I'm from), we have had very little coverage of Serbian election (about as little as Canadian election). I'm afraid that "events of international significance" are getting substituted by "international events significant to US media". Andris 03:25, Jun 30, 2004 (UTC)
The "In the news" currently has a rep on the Canadian election stating "give them one short, 154, of exactly half the seats in the House of Commons." - maybe that could be "give them 154, one short..." - sounds better -- Aparajit 09:39, Jun 29, 2004 (UTC)

Re: "Why do you keep re-inserting "at age 95"?

Sorry, User:Simonides, i don't mean to keep editing what you have posted. It's not another silly edit war.

IMO, "... has died aged 95 ..." really sounds awkward to me, hence my changes. I feel strongly that "...has died at age 95 ..." is better ("... has died at the age of 95 ..." is even better, but it's too long), and I wonder if the past participle "aged" is misused here. I also thought about ending the sentence after the word "died" to 'weasel' out. (The place of death is not important, anyway.) However, I am not going to edit it again, in case my grammar is wrong.

Have a nice day, or evening wherever you are.

-- PFHLai 06:31, 2004 Aug 6 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation; I guess it's merely a matter of personal choice. The alliteration in "died aged" could be avoided, but IMO it's at least tighter than "at age" - the latter seems more appropriate for youthful accomplishments, ex. "won a medal at only 17". -- Simonides 06:47, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)
The OED says that the "aged" terminology is used specifically for a horse. Note also that this is not a wine, etc. - Centrx 20:59, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Image of TV Screen?

Is the poorly named photo Image:Pict1797.jpg appropriate for this template? I have no objections to its content except for the fact that it is not even a screenshot of a TV frame but a photo of a TV screen. — Mr. Grinch 33451 (Talk) 19:09, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Ugly pic, eh ? You're right, Mr. Grinch. Thank you for pointing that out. At the time, I just wanted sth new to bump off the 2004RNC logo. I shouldn't have posted that, not on the MainPage.  :-( Someone has fixed the image problem for me ..... -- PFHLai 05:13, 2004 Aug 31 (UTC)
Okay, I'm glad to see that someone has replaced it now. — 33451 | Talk 18:53, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)

School Hostage Situation in Russia

Up until now (1820 UTC) ITN has described 100 people as hostage in the school in Russia. I have changed this to "between 100 and 400" due to a conflict of information: the BBC is currently saying 150 people, and has done so throughout the day; Reuters is saying "up to 400"; FoxNEWS were saying "between 120 and 400". For more figures please browse through the descriptions at Google News. --[[User:OldakQuill|Oldak Quill]] 18:25, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)

At this point, all figures are guesstimates. I've changed it to 'hundreds'. Updates can go to the article with boldfaced internal link.
BTW, is there any way to make the Ossetian flag show better ? Add a border ? gray background ? Right now the white top isn't showing well on the faint pink background and I don't know how to fix it. -- PFHLai 19:37, 2004 Sep 1 (UTC)

I thought that the Coat of Arms now shown belongs to South Ossetia instead of North Ossetia..... Can someone confirm this, please ? -- PFHLai 00:42, 2004 Sep 2 (UTC)

Oh, schieße, you're right. Someone should change it back. I don't have time, sorry. blankfaze | (беседа!) 02:12, 2 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Changed. -- ChrisO 09:02, 2 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Can we have the updates in the article but not so much on the Template:In the news, please ? IMO, there is way too much info right now, and I think we should only have 'highlights' or headlines on the template for the MainPage. -- PFHLai 13:05, 2004 Sep 3 (UTC)

Space bias

<satire>There is a space bias in the ITN section. 2 out of 4 articles are about space. I demand that they be removed and something relating to the real world be added. </satire> Gentgeen 02:27, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Remember the guidelines

NOTE: Any bolded item that appears on the Main Page must be updated and listed on its corresponding subject area page before being listed on the Main Page.

I'm seeing too many stories that don't follow this, especially the Supreme Court story. I nearly removed it, but that is a worthy story -- so would someone please make or update an article on it? --Golbez 19:00, Oct 4, 2004 (UTC)

I agree that the Supreme Court topic is important, however, I would prefer if we could restrict the five most important current news to events that already happened rather than include announcements. Get-back-world-respect 00:33, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Two of the current stories, on Israel and on the Nobel Prize, follow this rule only nominally. The Israel story links to a timeline, in which the update is basically the sentence inserted on this page. The Nobel Prize story also links to a list (of each year's Nobel Prize), where the update is again almost a duplicate of the story from this page. This does not seem adequate. Mateo SA | talk 23:31, Oct 4, 2004 (UTC)

"Pictured right"

Golbez removed the reference "pictured right", saying "we never had 'pictured right' before and i don't remember it being discussed.. seems to artificially lengthen the item" — actually, see Image notation above. Mateo SA | talk 23:17, Oct 9, 2004 (UTC)

Yeah, okay, I was wrong. :P This has already been pointed out to me. Stop rubbing it in, meanies. :) --Golbez 23:37, Oct 9, 2004 (UTC)
Yeah, it's often been left out, but ought to be in there. - Centrx 19:35, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Baseball?

The current main story is something about baseball. I don't think anyone outside the US really cares about the happenings in that league and, while perhaps news-worthy, I can't see how it's the headline story above "Belarusian opposition leader Anatoly Lebedko is allegedly severely beaten by police while protesting the country's recent referendum allowing President".

Main point being: can we avoid US-bias in the news section, please? violet/riga (t) 22:08, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I don't think its newsworthy until after tonight's game when, if the redsox win, will be the first time a team's come back from three games down to win. And, considering a large percent of the world's internet traffic is American, I think a "big news" story in America, whether it is sports or not, deserves a top news posting. [[User:Tomf688|Tom]] 22:49, Oct 20, 2004 (UTC)
P.S.: I've seen soccer news in the "top news" section regarding European players/events I've never heard of, so I don't see why American Sports should be neglected. [[User:Tomf688|Tom]] 22:49, Oct 20, 2004 (UTC)
Also, Violet/Riga, I think a lot of people in Japan, Latin America, and other places are going to care about baseball. For us baseball people, the idea of the Red Sox beating the Yankees to the World Series flies right in the face of accepted precedent. See Curse of the Bambino.
People get beaten by police every day. The Red Sox have yet to beat the Yankees to the World Series. Sekicho 03:18, Oct 21, 2004 (UTC)
I've posted the basic history of the story below. Perhaps the fact that the Red Sox will go the World Series is news, but the initial story about the Red Sox beating some baseball statistic seems of extraordinarily minor interest to me. I would think only a baseball fanatic would be interested in that. Mateo SA | talk 04:50, Oct 21, 2004 (UTC)

History of the story:
Tuesday: In baseball's American League Championship Series, the Boston Red Sox defeat the New York Yankees to become the first Major League Baseball team to recover from a 3-0 deficit to force a seventh game.

In game six of Major League Baseball's American League Championship Series, the Boston Red Sox defeat the New York Yankees, the first time any team in Major League Baseball history has recovered from a three-game series deficit to force a seventh game.

Wednesday: The Boston Red Sox defeat the New York Yankees in game seven of Major League Baseball's American League Championship Series, earning a trip to the World Series.

At any rate, I would be willing to wager that more people, in more countries, on more continents, care about the Yankees-Red Sox series than a reorganization of the Swedish government. No statistics, but just a strong hunch. ;) - Sekicho 19:03, Oct 21, 2004 (UTC)

Ashlee Simpson

This certainly isn't of international interest to be on the front page - in fact, do most people in the US even care?? I've removed it anyway. sjorford 13:13, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I added this entry and I do NOT agree with your removal. The guidelines specify that "It should ideally be a story of an international importance, or at least interest." The entry fits that description, it may not be of incredible importance, but it is newsworthy, and among youngsters, I will assure you, defenitely important. Previously we have had items about baseball, I can tell you that a large part of the globe really does not care at all baseball. -- [[User:Solitude|Solitude\talk]] 13:33, Oct 25, 2004 (UTC)
Also, look at the section as it is now, we are only reporting very heavy negative news items, we should lighten up and also report on lighter events that DO interest people, and put things in perspective. I am adding the story back, if it is deleted/reverted again by someone else, I will leave it at that. -- [[User:Solitude|Solitude\talk]] 13:37, Oct 25, 2004 (UTC)
I agree that every thing on their is pretty negative but that is, sadly, the nature of news today. If you can find other happy news then great, but Ashlee Simpson doesn't even merit a comment on the BBC entertainment page [1] and it's really not that big a deal - most youngsters here don't really know who she is anyway! As for baseball see the section above discussing that. violet/riga (t) 13:49, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Very well, I cave, but I'd like to add that there is defenitely plenty "happy" news to report, but it is in Man's nature to weigh more important to negative aspects of life than to the positive aspects. This makes it seem like negative events are actually more important, while they are most certainly not. Actually weighing the importance of baseball against lip syncing artists is obviously hard, but then why not just cycle the news faster, instead of only keeping the "most important" items for days on the main page. -- [[User:Solitude|Solitude\talk]] 13:55, Oct 25, 2004 (UTC)
PS. The event is the top news item on People magazine's website.
Wikipedia is not People magazine :-) sjorford 14:15, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Neither is it CNN. You probably know as well as I that plenty people care more about what Madonna is up to lately than about yet another natural disaster. Instead of bombing the main page with disaster related events we should also put shocking lightfooted news items on it. -- [[User:Solitude|Solitude\talk]] 15:08, Oct 25, 2004 (UTC)
You have a good point that news should be cycled faster - for example, the Chuestsu Earthquake is no longer on the main page of most news sites and I don't think keeping it there will add any further info to the articles. Papa Wemba is a big story for Africa but with few African editors it doesn't get much of a mention. Perhaps some sort of Current Events Wikiproject could be set up with controbutors working on the In The News and current events pages along with the articles in need of updates after a news item hits. violet/riga (t) 14:20, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Well, maybe meta:Wikinews will solve this issue. It will most likely have a main page with categories of news, as Google news has. -- [[User:Solitude|Solitude\talk]] 15:08, Oct 25, 2004 (UTC)
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