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Hello Carptrash and welcome to Wikipedia! Hope you like it here, and stick around.

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Good luck!

The Henry Ford

You have the luck of finding an administrator whose adopted hometown is Dearborn. I have worked on a lot of Detroit area articles (I even have the Museum on my to-do list -the one I never get around to actually doing) To uploaD pictures go to "Upload file" on the toolbox on the left hand side of the page. It will ask you for a location of the file, to provide a summary description and to check a box verifying that you are the copyright holder. Once the files are uploaded you should go to their page and add an explicit copyright notice like "I took this picture and release it under GNU-FDL" or for the old picture {{PD}} will give the public domain message. I have already put a picture of a Ford Model T in that article which I took at the village and a photo of the Wright Cycle Company in that article. My pictures from inside the Museum did not turn out. Good luck. Rmhermen 14:44, Jul 25, 2004 (UTC)

Parducci and Image primer

Hi Einar,

no problem with Parducci - copy/paste moves can relatively easily be undone (by an admin, that is). And hey, I only posted it to Cleanup: no big deal, really.

Now for images: uploading is easy. Now that you have an account, you should have an "Upload file" link in the sidebar when you're logged in (in the default skin, it's in the bottom sidebar box). Click it, and it'll take you to and upload form. Click the "Browse" button and select the (image) file you want to upload, then enter a brief description in the "Summary" field. Then check the copyright box and click the "Upload" button.

The finer details:

  • For image files, use PNG or JPG formats.
  • Do not upload copyrighted material, unless you can make a good case for fair use. See Copyright. Thumbnails of scanned album covers are fair use even though the cover art is copyrighted. I usually stick to public domain or GFDL images, occasionally, I also upload images the author has marked as "free for noncommercial use", with an optional "provided the author is given credit".
  • I also include in the upload summary an image tag clarifying the images license status. A summary might read "A foo in the process or baring. Image from [site].<br>{{tag}}", where "site" would be the URL where I found the image (if it's not one I took or drew myself), and "tag" would be one of the Wikipedia:Image copyright tags.
  • Give additional info on the image description page. The image description in all cases should at least contain the source of the image and an appropriate copyright tag. If you took the image yourself, state so, and decide under what license you want to give it to Wikipedia. I use GFDL for my stuff, but might want to place your stuff in the public domain, or use a permissive Creative Commons license, e.g. cc-by-sa. If you scanned it from a book, either use the image credits given in the book to determine whether it may be used on Wikipedia, or check the book's copyright. And state on the image description page, which book (including ISBN) you got the image from.
  • Try to keep the file sizes below 100kB. The system allows larger files to be uploaded, but will ask you about it.

Ok, that's all I can think of now. Hope it helps, and don't hesitate to ask again if you have more questions. Happy editing and uploading. Lupo 19:29, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Sculpture

There aren't many Welsh sculptors, I'm afraid - though there are some. My book is unillustrated, but you might try to get hold of something by Peter Lord, who is a very interesting presenter of Welsh art history, and is himself a sculptor. Deb 11:41, 31 Jul 2004 (UTC)

A sculptor a day keeps the quarry at bay

Hi Carptrash,
You seem to be exceeding your "one sculptor a day" target. Good work!

By the way, I'm guessing that you are deriving these articles from a handy reference book or other web pages. If you can, it would be a good idea to include a 'References' or 'External links' section, so that others can verify dates etc if/when conflicting information is found in the future.

Thanks for your stirling work in bolstering the information on American sculptors. -- Solipsist 19:36, 1 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Hello Solipsist:
I have been including some sources, but most of it is coming from research that I have done over the past 25 years. Much of what I'm posting was done building by building, sculpture by sculpture. Hence the freqent reference to Unpublished Manuscripts The books that I use are all ones that i have in my own library, seeing as I sort of in an out of the way spot in New Mexico [USA].
But thanks for the feed back. I , sort of like the DJs that you sometimes hear at 3 AM who muse, "I wonder if there is anyone out there hearing this?'" find myself wondering the same. Not that it matters too much. At some point someone will want to know about Charles Keck, and here it will be. -- Carptrash 20:59, 1 Aug 2004 (UTC)
most of it is coming from research that I have done over the past 25 years - Wow, even better. That's impressive.
DJs that you sometimes hear at 3 AM who muse, "I wonder if there is anyone out there hearing this?'" - at which point they no doubt play Pink Floyd's The_Wall, Disk 2 trak 2. -- Solipsist 20:08, 1 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Art categories

Hi,

I noticed that you have recently been active in editing articles in the visual arts. Can I also encourage you to join the categorisation discussion at Category talk:Art -- Solipsist 22:20, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Audrey Munson

Hi Carptrash,

You are steadily increasingly my interest in Audrey Munson - good job. Could I suggest moving the images around the article a bit. In particular, biography articles benefit from having a picture aligned on the right, at the top of the page. I guess you might have an actual photograph on Munson waiting in the wings, but in the meantime the winged angel figure could make a nice lead. -- Solipsist 07:33, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I am still very tenative about picture placement - have just learned one ofr two ways to do it - but have enough of an adventurous streak in me to be goaded to try new things. Also it is almost 2 AM here, now, so . . . . . zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
All the pictures that I have of Munson are from the recent book American Venus, so there is a copywrite issues. --Carptrash 07:42, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Ahh, copyright... I guess there is a chance there's a pre 1910 picture somewhere. In the mean time, I'm happy to move a couple of the images -- Solipsist 07:49, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)
well how is this? Better, I think [feel?]
Definately better. But I was still looking for a picture at the top, so here is another try (the grouped fountain was tricky.) -- Solipsist 08:40, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I thought the date was 1923? I hope so ! Carptrash 07:58, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Quite right, that's what it says on Wikipedia:Image_use_policy. And if you are still awake at 3am now, you might need this ;-) -- Solipsist 08:40, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Some possible photos are [1] and [2]. But it is not so easy to access the full images or checking copyright.
Aha - found a good one here -- Solipsist 10:52, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Lee Lawrie

Basically, I'd just advise some wikification within the article, and to possibly space out the picture placement a bit more. All in all it's a quite good article. I would have moved the pictures myself, but it's not really one of my strengths. Hope I didn't offend. Rhymeless 02:52, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Essentially, what I'd meant was the layout. Because the pictures seem to bracket the page on the top and bottom, it looks a bit awkward. So if it's possible to space the photos a bit more around the text, that would be awesome. Thanks. Rhymeless 03:56, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Hi, I have just nominated your Lee Lawrie for featured article, I think its brilliant. I hope it makes it (it's the first page I have ever nominated) and does not just bring you a load of trouble. I think the picture layout is great, and also eye-catching, a good burst of images at the beginning encourages people to read on - (well it did me!) Giano 12:32, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I've moved the images around a little. But it may still be premature to put this article on to WP:FAC, I would expect it to get refered to Peer Review pretty quickly. It currently would fail FAC on several technical grounds, such as 'no lead section', but the feedback can be useful. Critism can be brutal over there, but don't take it to heart. -- Solipsist 12:58, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Sorry, I thought it looked better before pictures moved about. I hope you don't think I've been presumptious putting it on WP:FAC, if you want I will remove it, but I still think its better than half the stuff that does feature! Giano 13:14, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)

No, that's OK. The article can stand on its own two feet (is that a mixed metaphor?) - I was just mentioning it as a forewarning. The basic problem with the pictures is that there isn't enough text for them to float around. I'm not too keen on my rearrangement either, so if anyone else can find a better solution, edit away. -- Solipsist 13:25, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Thanks. I became worrying when so many did not like the arrangement, as I thought that was one of the things that made it stand out! Not a lot of room for new ideas here, for all the talk they seem a conservative bunch! Not many of my articles have pictures as I can't do it, tried once and was told off as someone else had to sort the mess out. I think Lee Lawrie is agreat page though, one of the best. Giano 06:21, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Yeah, its a problem I have three sons playing rugby, (youngest only touch rugby)but in 11 years only had one in hospital with a dislocated finger! However the youngest has been inspired today bt Amir Khan in the Olympics, now that has given my wife something to worry about.

I see what you say about not being flashy and wikipedia being creditable, but I really did not think the oroginal layout was flashy or incredible, just eye-catching. I don't realy write 'in depth' articles tending to pounce on one full of errors (architecturally) and set them straight, but like you I tend to use books not other sites as otherwise the whole project is rather pointless. I started on British architecture (as this is the English speaking site) but then realised I had probably quite a lot to offer on Italian architecture (I hesitate to say we inspired many of the Brit's greatest buildings! - allthough I could not help putting in a hint about Buckingham Palace on Giacomo Leoni)I thought some-one may edit it out, but I think it's still there. I've spent so long in England I feel half British anyway - Anyway, you have inspired me to try and put an image on again, I'm going to try right now at Montacute House just as soon as I've air-brushed three Italian children out of the frame! - so long Giano 17:44, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Thanks!

Wow, thank you so much for that picture of Shelley's grave you left on my talk page! It's a wonderful image and I see you added it to Shelley's article, where it goes very well. See you around. :) Lizzie 04:24, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Henry Hobson Richardson

Excellent images! now this entry can get started! Good ones for Lee Lawrie too! You can't explain this stuff without pictures...Wetman 04:08, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Glossary of sculpting terms

Hi Carptrash,

I've just put up the page Glossary of sculpting terms and thought that you might have some useful input. In particular I have't defined 'relief' yet. And if you have any pictures of sculpting techniques, that would be great. -- Solipsist 00:42, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

  • Well I am back home in NM and have just spent a pleasant bit of time rooting through my sculpture library and putting together some references for your sculpture technique article. it turned out that I had quite a few. Anyway, I'll try for some terms later. "Lost Wax Casting", for example. I also ran across something in your "discussions" from some poor fellow who had tried to do the right thing with Lee Lawrie and was worried about how I'd feel, waking up in America the next day. the only trouble i have waking up in America involves having a war criminal as the Head of State. And since this is clearly a POV, I can't even exorcise it on the wikipedia. Carptrash 21:35, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Glad you are back - hope the op went well. There is already a fairly good description of Lost Wax Casting at Casting along with a rather good photo, but it isn't organised that well and I'm sure there is more to say.
I started Glossary of sculpting terms in order to clear up some of the red links on my Henry Moore article which recently got through WP:FAC (with luck my photo will pass also on WP:FPC this week too). Arguably the Glossary should be broken up into individual articles as the sections are expanded (or kept as a summary with links to the full articles), but some of the items like maquette are bordering on dictionary definitions and might not expand much further. It might need some more thought to sort out the best organisation. It is also as well to be aware of Wikipedia:Sculpture basic topics, which is part of the list of basic topics which every wiki-language-encyclopedia should have, yet still has a fair few red link in English.
I reckon your Lee Lawrie article should be a good topic for a featured article eventually (the connection to the Rockefeller Center alone makes him interesting), but it needs to grow a little first in order to balance the text to photo ratio. From what I've seen, Featured Articles and Featured Pictures can be a bit of a bear pit. Never-the-less it was quite nice to see the article grow from the additional attention. Peer Review is gentler, but is often so sleepy that it isn't obvious anything is going on. -- Solipsist 22:07, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Henry Moore

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I'm rooting around to get some pictures for a Henry Moore in America - two or three anyway, unless you think I should wait a bit. Carptrash 08:06, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)
A Moore in America would be excellent. I really like the Japanese sculpture that is there, although the colour is rather weird.
I spent a fair bit of 1999 working in New York and have the impression that I saw a monumental Moore sculpture infront of a major bank's towerblock. Many Manhatten banks and corporations seem to have a 20ft tall sculpture in the foyer or next to the main entrance, and it was partly a result of satisfying these sorts of commissions that made Moore extremely wealthy. So an example of a Moore in Manhatten would be a good illustration. However, I've tried various Google searches and can't find any references, so I may have been mistaken.
I'm also looking for examples of early direct carved sculptures. I recently saw some good examples at an exhibit at the Dulwich Picture Gallery, but I only had a friend's rather poor mobile phone camera and in any case photography wasn't really allowed. Most other photos appear to be copyright by the Henry Moore foundation. Its not too urgent, as I will probably visit Much Hadham in the spring and get a chance to snap some more examples then. -- Solipsist 08:27, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Off the top of my head I have a Moore picture of an arch in Richmond Indiana that looks very much like the one in Japan. I am rather looking forward to comparing them, and the dates involved. Then I have Princeton NJ, and Milwaukee WI, and I've seen others, but might not have photographed them. I was never a BIG Moore fan, being moore of a figurative sort. Much prefer Eric Gill, for example.
Well Moore largely caught his direct carving and truth to materials mantra from Jacob Epstein and Eric Gill. I've probably got a poor photograph of Gill's wind for 55 Broadway London. I could recognise Moore's wind - however from the other three winds, I'm not quite certain which one is Gill's. I could make a good guess, but would rather have independent confirmation before posting it. I've since read that there is an small exhibit in the foyer of 55 Broadway which most likely sets the attributions clearly. To be honest, my favourite Gill's are his fonts. -- Solipsist 20:20, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)
If you send me your email address at [email protected] I will send you a scan from Aumonier's "Modern Architectural Sculpture" which identifies the eight winds [who knew?] on the building, and their sculptors, including one by author Aumonier. Carptrash 22:09, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Eight winds! Someone's been eating beans. Curiously they are only ever refered to as the four winds, but I guess that is based on the points of the compass and each wind is duplicated on the building. Actually that makes sense, because the upper floors of Charles Holden's 55 Broadway are on a cruxiform layout so would have eight faces (well 12 if you include the short sides), although four of them are tucked away looking out on back streets and so would be difficult to see. The bottom floors have a triangular plan, with Epsteins controversial sculptures above the two main entrances. It makes me wonder whether there is another entrance around the back. -- Solipsist 22:29, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Thanks for the info from Aumonier. I've pulled it all together at 55 Broadway, London. If you could check it that would be great - I wasn't sure I could decipher the name of 'Allan Wyon' for one of the East Winds. I take it that the author of the book is related to the same Eric Aumonier who did one of the South Winds. Interestingly I found a reference claiming that his archer is the only 3D sculpture for the London Underground - although to be honest it really looks like a double sided relief, a technique that Gill also used as a stepping stone to true 3D. - Solipsist 21:19, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)

A range of copyright tags can be found at Wikipedia:Image_copyright_tags - there is a link on the upload page. A very useful recent tag is {{PD-art}} for clearly tagging non-creative photographs of copyright free 2D artworks. At the moment, someone appears to be going through all the {{PD-USGov}} tags and subdividing them into organisation specific tags.

I currently licence my own photographs under one of the Creative Commons licence, usually {{cc-by-sa-2.0}}. In many ways it is functionally similar to the GNU {{GFDL}}, which also requires attribution, but my guess is that most people don't realise that and the Creative Commons license makes it clearer.

The copyright status on photographs of sculpture is rather confusing.User:Raul654 raised an interesting comment onf WP:FPC with respect to the copyright status of my photo for Image:HenryMoore02.jpg. The {{PD-art}} only applies to effectively non-creative reproductions of 2D art where the artist died more that 70 years ago. But it doesn't apply to to recent photographs of old sculptures, where the choice of angle and lighting are seen as sufficiently creative to make the photograph itself copyright (of course if it is your own photograph you can still freely licence it on GFDL or whatever).

Where it gets tricky, is with a recent photograph of a recent sculpture. It seems that the US now extends copyright to include statues (and buildings) even when they are in public spaces (see [3]). Which means that although you might own the copyright on your own photograph, you can't distribute it without getting a licence from the original sculptor or the sculpture's current copyright holder. In the UK, it looks like sculptures are not covered by copyright law. I guess that copyright applies to where the art work is created, rather than where it is displayed. -- Solipsist 20:52, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Victoria Park

Hey! Nice Victoria Park pictures. Are you from London? (If I had a camera I would have taken some myself, so it's nice that someone is finally doing it!) Adam Bishop 22:08, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Sure, you could post those too, I'm from London so I might be able to recognize them. (There are a couple of other Londoners here too.) Adam Bishop 17:52, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)
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