Talk:Sacha Baron Cohen

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==Racist==

Borat Character: This is reverse racism. Every muslim must find this character extremely offensive. Mr Cohen being Jewish should be more sensitive to this but then again he probably already knows this. Very clever. He obviously thinks he is much smarter than the average audience member. People wake up!!

Bruno Character: This is again reverse racism. Jewish man creates situation comedy from a Nazi gay Austrian character. It is streotypying Austrian's and by inference Germans as somehow still all Nazi. This is emphazised by the fact the character is gay. I am sure they must find this deeply offensive. We are in the European Union. Surely there are laws against this type of obvious racist humour.

Oh for God's sake sign your damn posts. Your comments make little sense and reveal more about you that they do about your complaint. You are obviously not Muslim, or you would have spelled that correctly, so how can you state that "every muslim [sic] must find this character extremely offensive"? Have you checked with the Islamic community? Have you even asked a Muslim? You are in no position to speak about what is "extremely offensive" to a community to which you do not belong. The leaps of logic required to follow your comments about the Bruno character are absurd. He is "stereotypying" [sic] "Austrian's" [sic]? By inference this also stereotypes Germans? This is emphasized by the fact that the character is gay? I correct myself: there is no logic here, at all. What is a stereotypical Austrian (given Austria's position as a continental crossroads, I don't think there is such a stereotype)? The Nazis exterminated homosexuals along with Jews and Catholics and Gypsies, among others. How on earth does "the fact the character is gay" have anything whatever to do with German Nazi stereotypes? It certainly does not emphasize any of your imagined stereotypical aspects, and the fact that the character is depicted with other non-stereotypical Germans and Austrians (and others) defeats your claim that Baron Cohen is stereotyping "Germans as somehow still all Nazi". He is depicting a single individual, not a nation or an ethnicity. Then, again, you refer to the "offended" party in the third person. Your umbrage seems to be based on some assumed role as the protector of other ethnic groups to which you do not belong. This attitude seems to me condescending at best, and racist at worst. How dare you accuse someone of reverse racism when you yourself are expressing racist patterns of thought? I think, sir or madam, that you are a troll. Just because you don't "get" the joke doesn't mean that no one else does, and hardly qualifies you as an authority on ethnically based satire. You don't like it? Stop watching it. Leave the broadcasting of opinions to someone with an informed opinion.

And lastly: talk pages are for the discussion of the article itself, not for the posting of opinions about the subject of the article, idle speculation, or chat. Canonblack 12:30, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Where do I begin? - answer to above comment

Borat character - Muslims have to find Borat offensive - see link | Baron Cohen to be sued by Kazakhstan

Bruno character - Please always bear in mind Cohen is Jewish. His viewpoint and the historic prism he looks through must start there. This character clearly arises from the holocaust during WWII and Cohens motives for its creation are obvious. The links between the Austrian and German cultures are well documented. As we have brought up WWII, which is exactly what Cohen wants to do, around 60% of Waffen-SS members were non-German, many were Austrians! Hitler, an Austrian, tried to exterminate homosexuals so its ironic the character is a homosexual. It was a deliberate move to make the character a homosexual as this creates a juxtaposition. These elements help as pointers as to how we should view the character when we hear the Nazi comments the character makes. The reverse racism is emphasized through the irony of the character being gay. Without the homosexual element I doubt this character would have the same impact but it is still a racist characterization. It has no place in our modern world and bears no relationship with modern Austria or the new unified Germany or their peoples.

Which son?

"He was born into a middle-class Jewish family, the fourth of three sons of Gerald Baron Cohen and his wife Daniella" --- He's the fourth of three sons? I dont get that. Can anyone explain that to me?

Nope. It was vandalism that hadn't been reverted. Thank you for spotting it! Mpntod 13:35, 13 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

That's Ali G math for you.

lol, must admit thats quite funny. Wolfmankurd 21:56, 27 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Causing offence

It seems that most sources (including [http://www.observer.co.uk/comment/story/0,6903,656096,00.html the Observer'e has offended people in the same way The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers offended people: as in, not the majority. He himself is jewish, he himself is not racist, but, like an HBO spokesman said, he is using the prejudices and idiocies of society to elicit reactions, showing just how stupid society is. Some people are uptight, and those are the people who do not like Ali G. I think this merits an edit. Lockeownzj00 01:40, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Auschwitz

"and Bruno, a gay Austrian fashion show presenter with a Nazi streak, advocating that ugly people be put on a train and sent to Auschwitz"

I saw this episode and I don't think that he said Auschwitz. He just said "a camp." It was hilarious, not racist.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.153.254.101 (talk)

From [1]: 'Bruno chats with fashion guru Leon Hall about which celebrities should be kept "in the ghetto" or sent on a "train to Auschwitz"' - MattTM | talk 04:35, Apr 1, 2005 (UTC)

Why don't you just watch the episode? He clearly just says packed up onto trains and sent to a camp.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.36.120.88 (talk)

I have seen the episode several times. I also own it on DVD, and you may be thinking of a different episode, but there very clearly IS an episode in which he asks leon hall which celebrities should be kept 'in the ghetto' and which should be sent 'on a train to Auschwitz'.--Alex 00:27, 18 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

He says Auschwitz. Jporcaro 13:57, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Baron Cohen vs. Baron-Cohen

Both are used in the article. It seems that Baron is his middle name while his cousin Simon has a hyphenated last name.--Wasabe3543 14:30, 31 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

My guess is that Baron Cohen is actually a compound surname that can either be hyphenated or not, depending on the owner's preference. In UK usage, using it without the hyphen might be a problem because "Baron" is also a title of nobility. — Dale Arnett 04:13, 25 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Update: My previous guess was spot-on. I saw the second-season DVD for Da Ali G Show at my local Wal-Mart, and when I looked at the back, it gave his surname as "Baron Cohen". — Dale Arnett 06:01, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Intro needs to be clarified

What is an MC? -- Pierremenard 10:08, 10 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks to whoever wikified that. -- Pierremenard 23:56, 11 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think Ali G is an emcee. More like a gangster wannabe character, so I changed that (though the wikipedia entry for "gangster" is not really what I had in mind. JianLi 19:21, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

He is/was an MC. Arniep 23:48, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Presumed Vandalism

I've removed the bit about him being life partners with "Salvatore lombardo". 69.140.12.199 23:10, 17 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Supergreg?

Is he also the meme character Supergreg? I see debate on this but am never sure, I dont think Sacha has acknowledged it in interviews.

Serbian/Persian?

Does anyone have a source for either of these claims (i.e. that his father is of Serbian Jewish descent and his mother of Persian Jewish descent)? Both were added by anon users and I can not find verification for either anywhere online (i.e. that didn't originally come from Wikipedia). Mad Jack 06:22, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]