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Quotations

There are a lot of quotations on the article and that's not counting the things he said during his drunken incident. What would be best, is to leave three and post a link to Wikiquote where the rest can be found. That is what is typically done for Bios. I've added the wikiquote link under the external links.--Twintone 21:11, 28 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I completely agree with this.98percenthuman 10:05, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Allright. Fwend 14:04, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Done. I just took the first three with references. If someone thinks that they should be switched for something else that's fine too.--Twintone 15:23, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

And now it's been reverted back. Wikipedia is used for encyclopedic entries and WikiQuote is used for the quotes. Other bios have just a few or no quotes at all even from people more famous for their quotes (i.e. Winston Churchill, Steven Wright, Mitch Hedberg) If it's not limited then there is no reasons to not put up every verifiable thing Gibson said. I think we should consider reverting back to just a few quotes and linking to WikiQuote for the rest. It keeps Wikipedia more encyclepedic. Also if you incorporated specific things he said relating to areas in the article (i.e. his controversies etc) it would be more appropriate. Having a blanket section for all of the things of note he said doesn't seem to fit with other bios on Wikipedia (I mean they don't even have quote sections for Churchill or FDR and didn't they say more important things of note?)

I'm going to revert back to my original change. Blue Tie feels there needs to be a concensus before removal, and I agree, but I feel the Wikipedia community as whole would agree (and so far everyone who has said something is in favor.) Furthermore, I'm using the removal of the Quotes section from Winston Churchill as a precedent. See below:

Quotes A new "Quotes" section was added recently:

"There is a forgotten, nay almost forbidden word, which means more to me than any other. That word is England." Winston Churchill "The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." Winston Churchill It was cut today, but I have restored it. Yes, I know that this article is way too long, but I do not think that that is a reason to chop out some tasty meat, when there is flab --Mais oui! 13:59, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm going to suggest we cut this again. The main reason is that we already have Wikiquotes, with an extensive Churchill section. Everyone has their favourite Churchill quotes, and it's hard to see how a section like this could avoid growing to a size we are trying to avoid. Can we seriously have a quotes section without blood, toil, tears and sweat, without the Few, without fight them on the beaches, without Iron Curtain? And those were just the ones I came up with immediately. Why waste valuable space duplicating something already win Wikiquotes? DJ Clayworth 14:18, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Remove I agree with DJ Clayworth - I cut the quotes section earlier for precisely this reason. Wikiquote is a more appropriate place for quotes than wikipedia (& we already have a direct link to the wikiquote WSC page) & it is inevitable that any quotes section would grow & grow. AllanHainey 14:52, 8 December 2005 (UTC) If the Quotes section is retained, I suggest it contains a smallish number of well-known or notable quotes. The current selection is poor and unrepresentative. Ben Finn 15:22, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

If a case can be made about why all of those things are wikipedia worthy and can be justified as a seperate section, I'm willing to listen. They are definately interesting and verifiable statements but I don't know if this is the right place for them.--Twintone 16:00, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Photo

Can we open the discussion of a picture up. This is one of the only articles of a major celeb without a headshot of some sort. Again, the DUI photo shouldn't be used because its POV and that drawing looks more like John Stamos than Mel Gibson. RiverCampa 19:37, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is that some people here only want to accept a picture that's in the public domain, like a photo made by a fan. Anything else gets deleted (or commented out). Fwend 20:56, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've added an appropriately-licensed photo that hopefully won't meet with too many objections. —Chowbok 01:51, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Great! Good job on finding that one. Garion96 (talk) 01:55, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Good, goody. Keep it. ResurgamII 02:10, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Mad Max

This was mentioned before somewhere in some past discussion. The Gibson article really needs a specific section regarding the film, as that what really brought him so much "fame". It deserves an equal amount of mention just like the Hamlet/Braveheart/PotC stuff found in the article itself. Can someone please write something for it? I have not seen the film in quite a while so I'm afraid I can't do so. --ResurgamII 02:17, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Anglophobia

Gibson has been accused of anti-English bias for TWO movies, "Braveheart" (1995) and "The Patriot" (2000).

Please sign your name. ResurgamII 19:42, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As was mentioned earlier, I believe, he didn't write, direct or produce the Patriot, that's why it's a bit dour to hold him responsible. You could suspect it may have affected his decision to play the part, but that's not good enough. Fwend 19:34, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

removed comment per WP:BLP

Please sign your name(err.. IP 195.93.21.34). Please do not use this as a forum for general discussion about the article's subject. Refer to the guidelines at the top of this page. ResurgamII 18:47, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

All articles I have seen (apart from this one) cite "The Patriot" as well as "Braveheart" as evidence of Gibson's alleged hatred of the English. It is no surprise that left wing Democrat Harrison Ford turned the film down, describing it as a piece of garbage which reduced the origins of the American Revolution to one man seeking revenge for his family, and so conservative Republican Gibson played the role instead. (195.93.21.34 16:11, 4 September 2006 (UTC))[reply]

It's not an unreasonable suspicion, but it still is thin. After all, many American action movies have Europeans as bad guys, it's part of the formula. Fwend 19:07, 4 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Two Words for Critics of Mel Gibson: Roman Polanski

Several recent critics of Mel Gibson following his arrest and drunken remarks,say that future movie audiences will avoid every subsequent Mel Gibson film.However,movie patrons quickly forget an actor or director's misdeeds.People still flock to see Roman Polanski's films.Although in 1977 Mr. Polanski pleaded guilty and was convicted for "Rape.Sodomy, perversion,lewd and lascivious conduct upon the person of a minor under age 14 and furnishing methqualone to a minor." (source wikipedia-roman polanski)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jerrywhite (talk • contribs) 2006-09-02T17:52:48 (UTC)

This may very well be true, but please remember that this is not a forum. (And please sign your name using four tildes like: ~~~~)
Fwend 21:56, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]