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Template protected edit request 26 April 2025

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Under the template parameter "header28", please add the word "major" to the sub-parameter "title" so it reads Career highlights and major awards. This emphasizes to readers and editors that it's not meant to be an exhaustive indiscriminate list, but should rather only include awards according to due weight per MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE:

The less information that an infobox contains, the more effectively it serves its purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance.

For example, there has been extensive discussion and consensus at the NBA project shown at WP:NBAHIGHLIGHTS and WP:NBA5+ that is very selective about what types of awards merit infobox inclusion. Thanks. Left guide (talk) 07:32, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

p.s. just did a test in the sandbox, see comparisons and results on the testcases page, everything looks good to go. Left guide (talk) 08:55, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If we're going to change this, I'd suggest the more concise "Career highlights". The same people "major" is intended for are likely to quibble over what is "major" anyways (WP:OTHERSTUFFGENERAL: the same "Career highlights and awards" wording is at Template:Infobox NFL biography and Template:Infobox baseball biography). —Bagumba (talk) 09:12, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Bagumba: I would support that too. Anything to get away from the standalone "awards" word (which seems to encourage drive-by editors to think it's a dumping ground for any and all awards) would be an improvement. Left guide (talk) 09:17, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
At any rate, the phrase "career highlights" by its definition seems to imply that it must be major and important. I've implemented your suggested change in the sandbox, so anyone can see how it looks on the testcases page. Left guide (talk) 09:24, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
 Completed. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'er there 13:53, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Bagumba: If you believe the NFL and baseball infoboxes should undergo a similar change, feel free to propose that at the respective talk pages. Left guide (talk) 23:32, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template protected edit request 27 April 2025

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For the "position" parameter display label (label2), please add a piped link to the article Basketball positions like this, tested fine. Left guide (talk) 05:36, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Completed. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'er there 07:24, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template protected edit request 27 April 2025 (2)

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For label13 and label14, please add piped links for High school basketball and College basketball like this, tested fine. Left guide (talk) 13:14, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Primefac (talk) 13:31, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Linking field titles

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Why are we linking position, college and high school field titles? This isn’t necessary in my opinion, nor is it typical of biographical infoboxes. Was there a consensus discussion I missed? Rikster2 (talk) 14:00, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I reverted it since you contested (and it's template protected). @Left guide: Feel free to establish consensus, either here or at one of the projects and notifying the others (NBA, Basketball, CBBALL). —Bagumba (talk) 14:31, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
An admin bureaucrat and another template editor both independently reviewed the proposed changes, and seemed to find them uncontroversial and productive enough to simply implement without further questions or discussion. Said links demonstrate utility by educating readers on relevant topics in compliance with the guideline MOS:LINK, and are placed in a convenient and intuitive manner without increasing the pre-existing amount of visible text. Not being "typical" (whatever that means) on other templates isn't a helpful rationale as that's a totally subjective and arbitrary measure; one person can point to infoboxes with links in labels just like another person can point to infoboxes without any, proving that neither exercise would help develop consensus on this template's individual merit. Is there any policy or guideline prohibiting the use of links in infobox parameter labels? The guideline talk page at WT:MOSLINKS has been notified to seek wider community input. Left guide (talk) 02:13, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Paine Ellsworth and Primefac: Pinging you as the template editors whose edits were reverted. I'm not sure if you were endorsing the edit request or merely fulfilling the request for a non-template editor. As a non-template editor, Rikster2, later objected, and there was neither a strong established consensus nor did it seem like an obvious error, I reverted to status quo, as presumably they would have done had it not been template protected. Feel free to explictly state if you support the edits' merits.—Bagumba (talk) 04:26, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I, too, would have reverted the edits based upon the ensuing challenge, but you beat me to it, editor Bagumba. I'm sensitive to the argument that involves US-centric links when the ibox is used in other countries. If there are similar global links, yes, but it would be misleading to readers in other nations to link to an article that just describes sports in the US. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'er there 14:28, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'll echo the above. It was an uncontroversial request, hence the implementation, but with no other input any objection should result in reversal pending discussion. Primefac (talk) 22:46, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
WT:MOSINFOBOX has also been notified. Left guide (talk) 02:31, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note: Notification of this discussion has been left at WT:NBA, WT:BASKETBALL, and WT:CBBALL.—Bagumba (talk) 04:34, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'd object to linking to U.S. centric high school basketball and college basketball articles. A few other countries have similar competitions. As for position, the soccer infobox doesn't link it, and it does look clean with the links all being the "answers". I can imagine the idea though on why this may be necessary, WP:OSE and all. Howard the Duck (talk) 10:28, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi all. Similarly, I have concerns with the linking done at Template:Infobox basketball club as well. I personally find the links distracting. When I look at an infobox, I want to be drawn to the "answer" links (like User:Howard the Duck stated), not the field links. DaHuzyBru (talk) 10:26, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that linked field names are generally distracting. I also think that the terms are generally common knowledge or are easily gleaned by clicking the “answer” (for example, if you follow the link to power forward, the first line is “The power forward (PF), also known as the four, is one of the five traditional positions in a regulation basketball game”). I also agree we should make a call that applies to Template:Infobox basketball club as well. Rikster2 (talk) 13:25, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree w/Rikster2. Those links are overkill and distracting. We don't need nor should have rudimentary pages like position, college and high school field titles, especially considering that high school and college mean different things in different parts of the world. SportsGuy789 (talk) 16:12, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request 5 May 2025

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Infobox Tennis biography and others have |native_name= and |native_name_lang=, seeking to have those two parameters added to this template as well for use when a foreign language equivalent might be sensible to include. Iljhgtn (talk) 22:34, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I made your request more simple to read if you don't mind. Anyway, I can add this if there are no objections as I'm surprised this didn't already exist like it does in other people infoboxes. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 23:45, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It is already present on several, but not all. I am hard pressed to see the rhyme or reason, but please do add it. Iljhgtn (talk) 23:47, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I dont see this being essential for English Wikipedia per MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE:

The less information that an infobox contains, the more effectively it serves its purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance.

It's undoubtedly in the lead already. —Bagumba (talk) 00:28, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Majority, if not all, of the infobox gets repeated in the lead and the parameters being omitted here seems to be the exception as {{Infobox person}}, {{Infobox officeholder}}, and {{Infobox musical artist}} all feature it without issue. See Cui Yongxi for how it looks currently. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 00:58, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Dissident93: Why are contested changes being added directly to the main template 18 minutes after opposition has been voiced? This type of thing should be done in sandboxes, and should never have happened on this template in the first place without consensus. Please self-revert. Left guide (talk) 01:04, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It was added before I saw Bagumba's post, but I'll revert until there's clear support for it. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 01:06, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Those are WP:OTHERSTUFFGENERAL examples, and I'd argue that it clutters those infoboxes with a non-essential item for English readers as well. —Bagumba (talk) 04:14, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough, those templates listed above have way more parameters than needed too. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 19:43, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit template-protected}} template. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'er there 06:14, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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RESOLVED
All of the problems have been resolved now with tweaks to {{Wbhoflink}}. This template doesn't directly host any url for that HoF. Left guide (talk) 12:45, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

At the article Maya Moore, Bro rick recently pointed out that the parameter link for the Women's Basketball Hall of Fame seems unable to go to the appropriate web page. Is there a way to rectify this? I picked some random other articles like Lisa Leslie and Cheryl Miller, and the Women's BB HOF links on them work fine. Left guide (talk) 07:26, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

For Leslie, it seems like the template links to https://www.wbhof.com/famers/lisa-leslie/, which redirects to https://wbhof.com/member/lisa-leslie/. So it seems the website does not redirect for Moore, presumably because she was more recently inducted and their site had changed its organization. —Bagumba (talk) 10:57, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Bagumba: That's helpful to know, thanks. Miller's does the same, and Moore's actual working web page also has "member" in the url. So is the fix as simple as changing "famers" to "member" in the template's url coding for that parameter? I can test in the sandbox. Left guide (talk) 11:15, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Our template here seems to be three years outdated. I added some links in mainspace infoboxes of recent inductees, and the classes of 2021 and older seem fine, but the ones I checked from the classes of 2022 onwards redirect to either a dead page like Moore or a subpage (see this version of Becky Hammon for example). Left guide (talk) 11:52, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Well this is interesting. So from reading the doc page, I just discovered that the parameter is tied to {{Wbhoflink}}, I added Moore's name there and it now works for her, but Hammon's name was already there yet still redirects to that picture sub-page, so I think ultimately an update to this template will be necessary. Left guide (talk) 12:16, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Template:Wbhoflink has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Left guide (talk) 00:13, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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