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@Tayi Arajakate: you must have mistaken but none of these descriptors are "reliably sourced descriptors" and Vishwajeet103 was right with the removal. The article is a WP:BLP and even if it wasn't, the content has to be correctly supported by the sources and the libelous information should be removed. The sources do not support any of these labels,[1] neither by this self-published source. I am not sure why Joshua Jonathan is eager to add such WP:BLP violation even after it has been removed by several editors.

Thank you Yoonadue Pharaoh of the Wizards for the updates. Wareon (talk) 05:45, 26 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

B.B. Lal is historical revisionist. His reputation as an archadologist and head of the ASI is misused to present his revisionist views as reputable historical facts. For WP:NPOV, his revisionism should be mentioned as such. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 06:07, 26 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your own personal prejudice is irrelevant. Consider taking it outside Wikipedia. In this case you would need sufficient sourcing than your WP:OR given that archeologist in question is generally treated as eminent archaeologist by prolific scholars of the field such as Upinder Singh,[2] Tiffany Jenkins [3] and many more. Wareon (talk) 06:40, 26 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wareon, there is no indication that source is self publishing, and it explicitly isn't Amazon as you seem to claim in this edit summary (Special:Diff/1002808815)? Droogan 2013 which is published by A & C Black, a mainstream academic publisher states the following, "...the case in the archeology of Indian religions in general, especially in Hinduism ... sometimes notorious, attempts to prove the historicity of religious myths ... through archeological fieldwork (see esp. Lal, 2002b; Ray, 2004)."

Further, the two additional references I added in Special:Diff/1002802975 refer to him as "historical revisionist", all of which contradicts your assertion of them being "not supported by any sources", why did you preserve the references but remove the content? Tayi Arajakate _Talk 06:25, 26 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"historical revisionist" should be adequately supported by the sources than our own half baked conclusions per WP:OR. Source does not mention those words. This is a self published source and the publisher is clearly noted as Amazon and does not even mention the term "negations". Overall it is unreliable. Wareon (talk) 06:32, 26 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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 Thank you {{U|Yoonadue}} {{U|Pharaoh of the Wizards}} for the updates. [[User:Wareon|Wareon]] ([[User talk:Wareon|talk]]) 05:45, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
 :B.B. Lal is historical revisionist. His reputation as an archadologist and head of the ASI is misused to present his revisionist views as reputable historical facts. For [[WP:NPOV]], his revisionism should be mentioned as such. [[User:Joshua Jonathan|<span style="font-family:Forte;color:black">Joshua Jonathan</span>]] -[[User talk:Joshua Jonathan|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color:black">Let's talk!</span>]] 06:07, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
+:::Your own personal prejudice is irrelevant. Consider taking it outside Wikipedia. In this case you would need sufficient sourcing than your [[WP:OR]] given that archeologist in question is generally treated as ''eminent archaeologist'' by prolific scholars of the field such as [[Upinder Singh]],[https://books.google.com/books?id=KkpdLnZpm78C&pg=PA94&dq=b.+b.+lal+archaeologist#v=onepage&q=b.%20b.%20lal%20archaeologist&f=false] [[Tiffany Jenkins]][https://books.google.com/books?id=iKZeCwAAQBAJ&pg=PT127&dq=b.+b.+lal+archaeologist] and many more. [[User:Wareon|Wareon]] ([[User talk:Wareon|talk]]) 06:40, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
 :{{u|Wareon}}, there is no indication that source is self publishing, and it explicitly isn't Amazon as you seem to claim in this edit summary ([[Special:Diff/1002808815]])? [https://books.google.co.in/books?id=cR9MAQAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=Religion,+Material+Culture+and+Archaeology&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=lal&f=false Droogan 2013] which is published by [[A & C Black]], a mainstream academic publisher states the following, {{xt|"...the case in the archeology of Indian religions in general, especially in Hinduism ... sometimes notorious, attempts to prove the historicity of religious myths ... through archeological fieldwork (see esp. Lal, 2002b; Ray, 2004)."}}
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 :Further, the two additional references I added in [[Special:Diff/1002802975]] refer to him as {{xt|"historical revisionist"}}, all of which contradicts your assertion of them being {{!xt|"not supported by any sources"}}, why did you preserve the references but remove the content? <span style="background-color:#B2BEB5;padding:2px 12px 2px 12px;font-size:10px">[[User:Tayi Arajakate|<span style="color:#660000">'''Tayi Arajakate'''</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Tayi Arajakate|<span style="color:#660000">'''Talk'''</span>]]</sub></span> 06:25, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
-::"historical revisionist" should be adequately supported by the sources than our own half baked conclusions. Source does not mention those words. [https://books.google.com/books?id=FbLVBAAAQBAJ  This is a self published source] and the publisher is clearly noted as Amazon and does not even mention the term "negations". Overall it is unreliable. [[User:Wareon|Wareon]] ([[User talk:Wareon|talk]]) 06:32, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
+::"historical revisionist" should be adequately supported by the sources than our own half baked conclusions per [[WP:OR]]. Source does not mention those words. [https://books.google.com/books?id=FbLVBAAAQBAJ  This is a self published source] and the publisher is clearly noted as Amazon and does not even mention the term "negations". Overall it is unreliable. [[User:Wareon|Wareon]] ([[User talk:Wareon|talk]]) 06:32, 26 January 2021 (UTC)