Talk:Anarchist schools of thought: Difference between revisions

Diagram of Schools of Anarchism

Here's the pertinent diagram.

Anarchism Tree

If no one has any reasonable objection, I will add it again. PhilLiberty (talk) 22:28, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

My objection is that it is a load of hogwash - could you present any reliable sources supporting this diagram that you created? Neither Georgism nor Ancapism is considered to be anarchism, the former doesn't even have anarchism mentioned once in the body of the article. BeŻet (talk) 22:58, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Also it associates Bakunin with "socialist anarchism" as opposed to social anarchism, describes anarcho-communism as "collectivist" despite its opposition to collectivist anarchism, suggests that Marx influenced Bakunin even though they were in opposition to each other, implies that Molinari was an anarchist despite him being a classical liberal, suggests that Stirner influenced Nietsche despite Nietsche never mentioning him and the topic being controversial (see relationship between Friedrich Nietzsche and Max Stirner), implies that Lysander Spooner was a capitalist despite his clear opposition to wage labour and other features of capitalism, amongst other factually incorrect or highly questionable things. Honestly, it's just complete nonsense. BeŻet (talk) 23:15, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

I can give reliabe sources for any of those influence links. Geo-anarchism is definitely a thing. Anarcho-capitalism clearly satisfies the definition of anarchism. I think BeŻet's complaints are frivolous, and the usual sectarian nonsense. Bakunin was a sociaist anarchist - an anarcho-socialist. If ansocs want to "sandbag" their title to underemphasize their socialism in their article, that does not mean other articles must do likewise. Anarcho-communism is a form of collectivism, despite some ancoms having proprietary definitions and claiming otherwise. Molinari was definitely the seminal anarcho-capitalist. Cf: The Production of Security. Stirner clearly influenced Nietzsche, as anyone who has studied those two know. Lysander Spooner was a capitalist since he supported private property (even IP!). Socialists often play fast and loose with the definition of socialism, but it has to do with collective ownership of the means of production, not with whether someone holds the LTV. Benjamin Tucker was also pro-private property (of the possession type) and held a soft form of the LTV. Honestly, BeŻet seems to know very little about the history of anarchism, and seems to be an ansoc sectarian that rejects other schools of anarchism. PhilLiberty (talk) 22:52, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Proto-Anarchism

Main article: Precursors to anarchism

I was wondering if it would be worth adding proto-anarchist schools of thought to the list? These could include Cynicism, Hedonism, Hussitism, Kharijism, Mazdakism, Mutazilism, Stoicism and Taoism, among others. Grnrchst (talk) 12:01, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Anarcho- Capitalism

The very sources that are used in this article mention Anarcho-Capitalism as a school of Anarchistic thought, Capitalism is inherently right wing, therefore Anarchism can be either left or right wing, it can't just be whitewashed off because you are a socialist and therefore hate any mention of capitalism. Information can not just be doctored to push one idea over another. Leave that to the individual to decide.

Otherwise you are no better than Stalinist Russia scrubbing photos. DiggerWalters (talk) 04:52, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

@DiggerWalters: No, anarcho-capitalism isn't a school of Anarchist thought as plenty of the sources in the article explain, and claiming that anarchism can be right-wing is literally the whitewashing you speak off, because it ignores hundreds of years of Anarchist history, and only focuses on Rothbard's co-optation of the term last century as a radical chic. You can't just force your own version or interpretations of things, you need to back it up with sources, otherwise it's original research and forcing the view of one person over others. Provide some serious sources claiming anarchism can be right-wing, and then you can freely add the content. Otherwise, you are just posting your own thoughts and beliefs. BeŻet (talk) 13:43, 17 February 2021 (UTC)