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:{{tps|br}} {{replyto|Theleekycauldron}} Saying {{diff|Wikipedia:Requested_moves/Technical_requests|prev|1210320272|someone is being obstructionist}} doesn't sound like a personal attack to me. I rebuke editors who think any voiced criticism is "beyond the [[Pale of Settlement|pale]]". Your words do injustice to the phrase, itself. Please revert your block. <span class="nowrap"><span style="font-family:copperplate gothic;">[[User:Chris troutman|<span style="color:#345">Chris Troutman</span>]] ([[User talk:Chris troutman|<span style="color:#345">talk</span>]])</span></span> 03:16, 26 February 2024 (UTC) |
:{{tps|br}} {{replyto|Theleekycauldron}} Saying {{diff|Wikipedia:Requested_moves/Technical_requests|prev|1210320272|someone is being obstructionist}} doesn't sound like a personal attack to me. I rebuke editors who think any voiced criticism is "beyond the [[Pale of Settlement|pale]]". Your words do injustice to the phrase, itself. Please revert your block. <span class="nowrap"><span style="font-family:copperplate gothic;">[[User:Chris troutman|<span style="color:#345">Chris Troutman</span>]] ([[User talk:Chris troutman|<span style="color:#345">talk</span>]])</span></span> 03:16, 26 February 2024 (UTC) |
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:How is a comment on a user's behavior a personal attack? This is nonsense. [[User:Dicklyon|Dicklyon]] ([[User talk:Dicklyon#top|talk]]) 03:11, 26 February 2024 (UTC) |
:How is a comment on a user's behavior a personal attack? This is nonsense. [[User:Dicklyon|Dicklyon]] ([[User talk:Dicklyon#top|talk]]) 03:11, 26 February 2024 (UTC) |
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::A post at ANI that reads "[User] has been editing disruptively in this area, as evidenced by these diffs" is a legitimate comment on another user's behavior. Constructive criticism of other editors' behavior is indeed part and parcel of the system. Calling other editors "obstructionist" because they disagree with you is a personal attack, especially in the context of a grossly incivil comment on their talk page that you never apologized for. {{yo|Chris troutman}} I do not, in fact, think that {{tq|any voiced criticism is "beyond the pale"}}. But editors who raise concerns about the behavior of others are required to comply with our policy on decorum, no matter the venue. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 03:26, 26 February 2024 (UTC) |
::A post at ANI that reads "[User] has been editing disruptively in this area, as evidenced by these diffs" is a legitimate comment on another user's behavior. Constructive criticism of other editors' behavior is indeed part and parcel of the system. Calling other editors "obstructionist" because they disagree with you is a personal attack, especially in the context of a grossly incivil comment on their talk page <s>that you never apologized for</s>. {{yo|Chris troutman}} I do not, in fact, think that {{tq|any voiced criticism is "beyond the pale"}}. But editors who raise concerns about the behavior of others are required to comply with our policy on decorum, no matter the venue. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 03:26, 26 February 2024 (UTC) |
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:::I agree with Chris Troutman. Calling an editor obstructive is well short of an attack. [[User:Tony1|<b style="color:darkgreen">Tony</b>]] [[User talk:Tony1|<span style="color:darkgreen">(talk)</span>]] 03:27, 26 February 2024 (UTC) |
:::I agree with Chris Troutman. Calling an editor obstructive is well short of an attack. [[User:Tony1|<b style="color:darkgreen">Tony</b>]] [[User talk:Tony1|<span style="color:darkgreen">(talk)</span>]] 03:27, 26 February 2024 (UTC) |
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:::I did apologize, and GoodDay [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:GoodDay&diff=next&oldid=1198987479 accepted]. [[User:Dicklyon|Dicklyon]] ([[User talk:Dicklyon#top|talk]]) 04:14, 26 February 2024 (UTC) |
:::I did apologize, and GoodDay [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:GoodDay&diff=next&oldid=1198987479 accepted]. [[User:Dicklyon|Dicklyon]] ([[User talk:Dicklyon#top|talk]]) 04:14, 26 February 2024 (UTC) |
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:::: indeed you did :) I've updated my comment accordingly. [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 04:18, 26 February 2024 (UTC) |
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In particular, GoodDay had said he'd stay out of the uppercase/lowercase question. Instead, he just reverts moves that change case, saying that an RM is needed. I'm always happy to open an RM if someone says they disagree with the result of my move, but that's not what's happening here. He doesn't disagree, just obstructs. So I said so. How is this incivil or an attack? See the discussion he started about this at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ice Hockey#NHL Conference Finals moved to NHL conference finals]]. Nobody has given a reason to prefer uppercase, and several there have supported the move to lowercase. It's just obstruction, given the recent long discussion and clear consensus for a similar result in another league with no different issues. [[User:Dicklyon|Dicklyon]] ([[User talk:Dicklyon#top|talk]]) 03:50, 26 February 2024 (UTC) |
In particular, GoodDay had said he'd stay out of the uppercase/lowercase question. Instead, he just reverts moves that change case, saying that an RM is needed. I'm always happy to open an RM if someone says they disagree with the result of my move, but that's not what's happening here. He doesn't disagree, just obstructs. So I said so. How is this incivil or an attack? See the discussion he started about this at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ice Hockey#NHL Conference Finals moved to NHL conference finals]]. Nobody has given a reason to prefer uppercase, and several there have supported the move to lowercase. It's just obstruction, given the recent long discussion and clear consensus for a similar result in another league with no different issues. [[User:Dicklyon|Dicklyon]] ([[User talk:Dicklyon#top|talk]]) 03:50, 26 February 2024 (UTC) |
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I'm not sure why you haven't picked up a bevy of these already, but thanks for all your effort, particularly in tracking down good sources with diagrams, etc., on the photography- and color-related articles (not to mention fighting vandalism). Those areas of Wikipedia are much richer for your work. Cheers! —jacobolus (t) 02:05, 27 February 2008 (UTC) |

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The Photographer's Barnstar | |
To Dicklyon on the occasion of your photograph of Ivan Sutherland and his birthday! What a great gift. -User:SusanLesch 04:40, 23 May 2008 (UTC) |
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All Around Amazing Barnstar | |
For your hard work in improving and watching over the Ohm's law article SpinningSpark 00:59, 18 January 2009 (UTC) |
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The Original Barnstar | |
For your improvements to the Centrifugal force articles. Your common sense approach of creating a summary-style article at the simplified title, explaining the broad concepts in a way that is accessible to the general reader and linking to the disambiguated articles, has provided Wikipedia's readership with a desperately needed place to explain in simple terms the basic concepts involved in understanding these related phenomena. Wilhelm_meis (talk) 14:29, 6 May 2009 (UTC) |
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For your comment here which at once admits your own errors with humility yet focusses our attention upon the real villain Egg Centric (talk) 17:09, 9 February 2011 (UTC) |

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The Photographer's Barnstar | |
For your great contribution to Wikipedia in adding pictures and illustrations to articles improving the reader's experience by adding a visual idea to the written information.--Xaleman87 (talk) 05:57, 26 February 2014 (UTC) |
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The Special Barnstar |
I could not find a barnstar for standing up to an outrageously unjust block so you get a special one. Hang in there. В²C ☎ 23:25, 3 February 2015 (UTC) |
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The Resilient Barnstar |
For your work in standardising article titles in line with the now consistent MOS:JR guidance, I present you this accolade. Your continued work in this regard, and in others, has been appreciated. It may have taken years, but much was accomplished. RGloucester — ☎ 14:44, 30 July 2016 (UTC) |
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The Tireless Contributor Barnstar | |
For an eternity of super-gnoming at WP:Requested moves to rein in entire swathes of article-titling chaos and bring them into order. I'm sure it can seem thankless work at times, so thanks! — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ< 19:41, 13 December 2017 (UTC) |
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Your ongoing efforts to improve the encyclopedia have not gone unnoticed: You have been selected as Editor of the Week in recognition of your great contributions! (courtesy of the Wikipedia Editor Retention Project) |
User:Buster7 submitted the following nomination for Editor of the Week:
- It is said by many that A picture is worth a thousand words. Wikipedia articles are vastly improved and enhanced by the use of images. Dicklyon's user page displays just some of the over 500 images he has added to Wikipedia articles making the articles more enjoyable and interesting for our most important commodity, our reader. WP:Photography. He is a long-time veteran editor with over 137000 edits (58% in mainspace) who always uses the edit summary to clarify his edits and communicate his intentions to following editors. He also participates in various timely and important WP:Manual of Style discussions to improve what and how we do things around here. A trusted, productive and helpful editor that deserves recognition as an Editor of the Week.
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I've started to note the many scholarly contributions of this author, beginning with editing of the Wikipedia Cintel pages. For images and vision, I've had a lifelong career in color grading for feature films, tv commercials, videos, etc. with telecine and other systems worldwide; as a musician, 'Human and Machine Hearing' will certainly be fascinating. Thank you to Richard F. Lyon for providing the PDF of this work to all.
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Fighting the Good Fight Barnstar | |
For resisting those who would like Wikipedia’s capitalization rules to resemble a corporate brochure or a government press release —Wallnot (talk) 02:49, 13 May 2021 (UTC) |
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This is for your really thorough clean up after the Armenian genocide move discussion. My watchlist is full of your edits since days. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 19:20, 30 May 2021 (UTC) |
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The Graphic Designer's Barnstar |
Thank you! Biggerj1 (talk) 15:57, 10 November 2021 (UTC) |
that's for these hacks:
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The Minor barnstar |
SO MANY MINOR EDITS! Thank you for your work. -ASHEIOU (THEY/THEM • TALK) 19:46, 15 May 2023 (UTC) |
- There we go again, commenting on the quantity of my edits instead of the quality. But minor thanks anyway. Dicklyon (talk) 00:23, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
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Redlinks
We have Rozelle Bay and White Bay (New South Wales), and Blackwattle Bay, but Johnstons Bay, between them, has no article. Need to fix...
And the new Me-Mel ferry could use an article. Me-Mel is also an alt name for Goat Island (Port Jackson) it says there. Dicklyon (talk) 10:21, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
Contact
Hello, how may i contact you for a creation of a page? SilentNotmad (talk) 12:07, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
- Specifically, the creation of a page for the artist Rudolf Burda. Thank you. SilentNotmad (talk) 12:08, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
- Not my department. Try WP:AFC for advice. Or contact me here, any time, for further advice. Dicklyon (talk) 22:38, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
USFL Draft RM
Howdy. The positioning & indenting of your question, is confusing. Are you asking me or SmokeyJoe? GoodDay (talk) 19:48, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
- Without a link to the question, it's hard to say. Probably SmokeyJoe though. Dicklyon (talk) 22:39, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
- I've moved my post, to avoid confusion. GoodDay (talk) 23:22, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, I see what I did. Sometimes it's hard to see an unindented new paragraph with no blank line, in the midst of indents. Dicklyon (talk) 11:40, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
- I haven't nay or yayed this one, and lean towards lowercase as I'm not sure if it was a major event like the NFL Draft has become (increasingly commonly recognized as a proper name by fans and the general public). Randy Kryn (talk) 14:54, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, I see what I did. Sometimes it's hard to see an unindented new paragraph with no blank line, in the midst of indents. Dicklyon (talk) 11:40, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
- I've moved my post, to avoid confusion. GoodDay (talk) 23:22, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
You missed...
Dance On My Own, in which, hopefully, someone dances atop a dance floor formally named My Own. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:54, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
Andromeda Galaxy

Have you seen it from Australia? If so, envious. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:27, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
- No, haven't looked. When does it rise or set? Dicklyon (talk) 22:21, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
- Don't know. The page said dark skies make for better viewing. Ask the locals, unless some of them have never seen it. Binoculars may work in cities? I recall on a Paris visit I found that many Parisians had never visited the Louvre (on a similar note, watched a lunar eclipse occurring in Seattle on TV and the saddest thing was that there were cars still driving on a street in the background but had turned their lights on). Randy Kryn (talk) 23:20, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
- I found "It's best to find Andromeda in fall in the Northern Hemisphere". It's toward the north, and wrong time of year, so I probably won't see it. But Crux is nice. Dicklyon (talk) 05:52, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
- As the fantasy star of the film Dumb and Dumber I sometimes take on too much of the character. I meant the Large Magellanic Cloud galaxy, which apparently isn't that much of a sight even when see in dark skies. I've never seen Andromeda under dark conditions but would like to. Crux, on the other hand, that must be nice viewing. Good photo, must have been thin clouds for stars to shine through like that. Randy Kryn (talk) 16:00, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
- I found "It's best to find Andromeda in fall in the Northern Hemisphere". It's toward the north, and wrong time of year, so I probably won't see it. But Crux is nice. Dicklyon (talk) 05:52, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
- Don't know. The page said dark skies make for better viewing. Ask the locals, unless some of them have never seen it. Binoculars may work in cities? I recall on a Paris visit I found that many Parisians had never visited the Louvre (on a similar note, watched a lunar eclipse occurring in Seattle on TV and the saddest thing was that there were cars still driving on a street in the background but had turned their lights on). Randy Kryn (talk) 23:20, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
February 2024

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. Your comment at RMTR is beyond the pale. Normally, it might land you a warning, but you were recently blocked for another personal attack against the same editor. So, to make this clear: it is okay to raise questions about another editor's conduct at an appropriate venue. It is okay to contact an admin, privately or on their talk page, to ask for an outside assessment of another editor's conduct. It is never okay to level personal attacks against another editor, no matter how vexatious or frustrating you may find their opinions or procedural actions. I implore you to consider whether you want to continue down this path, as further incivility may well result in an indefinite block or community ban. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 03:03, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
- (by talk reader) @Theleekycauldron: Saying someone is being obstructionist doesn't sound like a personal attack to me. I rebuke editors who think any voiced criticism is "beyond the pale". Your words do injustice to the phrase, itself. Please revert your block. Chris Troutman (talk) 03:16, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
- How is a comment on a user's behavior a personal attack? This is nonsense. Dicklyon (talk) 03:11, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
- A post at ANI that reads "[User] has been editing disruptively in this area, as evidenced by these diffs" is a legitimate comment on another user's behavior. Constructive criticism of other editors' behavior is indeed part and parcel of the system. Calling other editors "obstructionist" because they disagree with you is a personal attack, especially in the context of a grossly incivil comment on their talk page
that you never apologized for. @Chris troutman: I do not, in fact, think thatany voiced criticism is "beyond the pale"
. But editors who raise concerns about the behavior of others are required to comply with our policy on decorum, no matter the venue. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 03:26, 26 February 2024 (UTC)- I agree with Chris Troutman. Calling an editor obstructive is well short of an attack. Tony (talk) 03:27, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
- I did apologize, and GoodDay accepted. Dicklyon (talk) 04:14, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
- indeed you did :) I've updated my comment accordingly. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 04:18, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
- A post at ANI that reads "[User] has been editing disruptively in this area, as evidenced by these diffs" is a legitimate comment on another user's behavior. Constructive criticism of other editors' behavior is indeed part and parcel of the system. Calling other editors "obstructionist" because they disagree with you is a personal attack, especially in the context of a grossly incivil comment on their talk page
In particular, GoodDay had said he'd stay out of the uppercase/lowercase question. Instead, he just reverts moves that change case, saying that an RM is needed. I'm always happy to open an RM if someone says they disagree with the result of my move, but that's not what's happening here. He doesn't disagree, just obstructs. So I said so. How is this incivil or an attack? See the discussion he started about this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ice Hockey#NHL Conference Finals moved to NHL conference finals. Nobody has given a reason to prefer uppercase, and several there have supported the move to lowercase. It's just obstruction, given the recent long discussion and clear consensus for a similar result in another league with no different issues. Dicklyon (talk) 03:50, 26 February 2024 (UTC)