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genetic studies on jews - khazar

I wasn't sure if I should reply on your page. If this is bad Wiki etiquette, just delete the next couple of lines.

Dear Lastexpofan, I have seen that you changed some sentence in "genetic studies on jews". I would like to have your opinion about an argument I have with Jayjg about the possibility of some Khazar origin of Ashkenazim Talk:Genetic studies on Jews. We go round in circle and I think we need an external point of view. Could you tell if this kind of sentence could be added in the lead: "chromosomes in Ashkenazim may represent vestiges of the mysterious Khazars"?--Boutboul (talk) 07:15, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

By the way why did you remove the extract from D. Goldstein ?--Boutboul (talk) 07:15, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Do you mean "And there is that troubling Y chromosome that is so common in the ashkenazi Levites but seemingly nowhere else to be found. I can not claim the evidence proves a Khazari connection.

But it does raise the possibility, I confess that, although I can not prove it yet, the idea does now seem to me plausible, if not likely?" I removed that because it was in a note and seemed unsourced, but if it's from a source I'm fine with it.

I don't know if I could get involved in that discussion between you and JayJG because I'm really busy right now, but maybe I could get involved later.--Lastexpofan (talk) 03:21, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

the italian/ tuscan/ southern european component

Michael, thanks for the message. I am a little uncomfortable with the deletion, but I think I can accept it. On the other hand if you also feel uncomfortable with it, I think in principle we should look for a compromise sentence? Can you tell me your position? Is it the same? I am not 100% clear on what you think.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 12:30, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of Conversion table for Y chromosome haplogroups for deletion

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A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Bonjour cher monsieur, je suis un ex directeur de recherche à l'INRAE qui écrit un ouvrage et aimerait discuter avec vous de la génétique des populations juives, sachant que vous êtes le principal contributeur de l'artice Wikipédia concernant ce sujet. Merci de votre attention ! jacques.barnouin(at)free.fr Jacques barnouin (talk) 22:51, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bonjour,

Désolé pour ma réponse tardive, je viens de voir votre message. Je serai ravis de discuter avec vous mais je tiens à signaler que je n'ai aucune compétence dans le domaine mis à part le fait d'avoir pris le temps de lire les très nombreux articles sur le sujet.

Cordialement,

Michael Boutboul Michael Boutboul (talk) 13:24, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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History of the Jews in Tunisia for Good Article Nomination

Bonjour! I have reviewed many of your edits to the History of the Jews in Tunisia article and I think it's been phenomenally improved. It is currently classified as Start-class, but I think it is at least a B, if not an A. I would be happy to help you revise it further (more on editing what is already there than adding new material) and nominating it for Good article status. What do you think of this? I would definitely like to add more references that are direct rather than an sfn because I find those easier to review as a reader. All the best and happy holidays, Kazamzam (talk) 17:43, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much for your kind message. There is still a lot of work to do, and I will continue improving the article in the coming days. I truly appreciate your comments and revisions. I would be very happy if my contribution helped in nominating it for Good Article status. Michael Boutboul (talk) 21:31, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Boutboul - of course! I will do my best as well, and if you have any thoughts, comments, or concerns, I am happy to discuss. Please be sure to ping me (using the @ symbol) so that I will be alerted to your reply when it's on your talkpage (good Wikietiquette!). Kazamzam (talk) 23:48, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Boutboul - something important to note: the Jewish Virtual Library is not considered a reliable source per the list used as a general guideline. It's okay to mention some of their claims as long as they are backed up by other references but please keep this in mind going forward. We're making progress nevertheless! Kazamzam (talk) 00:34, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Kazamzam, I didn't know it, I checked and it is more related to ARBPIA but anyway, there is noJewish Virtual Library Michael Boutboul (talk) 15:26, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Kazamzam, what could we do to improve it a little bit more? Michael Boutboul (talk) 15:11, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Boutboul - sorry for the delayed response! I will take a look and get back to you later today! Kazamzam (talk) 11:46, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Boutboul - This is looking good! My concerns so far are the needs for additional/better citations, removing any subjective language, removing overlinking, and making sure that everything being discussed is specific to the Jews of Tunisia rather than the Jews of the Maghreb more broadly. For example, the discussion about the conversion of the Berber tribes...is it relevant? Does it need to be stated? How do we know that it's specific to Tunisia? These are things that could be removed to make the article's information more clear and specific. Let me know what you think! Kazamzam (talk) 19:37, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@KazamzamSorry for my late reply, I was busy.

For example, the discussion about the conversion of the Berber tribes...is it relevant?

According to me, yes it is relevant because at that time Tunisia did not exist so it is quite difficult to find sources only talking about this specific area. Michael Boutboul (talk) 19:36, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Boutboul - that's a good point and should be a pertinent point of the article itself. Tunisia as a nation state is new but settlement in the area that is now Tunisia is thousands of years old. We can try to find information from areas that are now within Tunisia, i.e. records from Djerba and Tunis, but I think including information about things that happened anywhere in the Maghreb is too broad. If something happened in Tripoli or Rabat, there's no guarantee it also happened in Tunisia. I would rather be selective than make claims that are overly broad and therefore inaccurate. It's an editing philosophy and I admit that not everyone agrees with it. Kazamzam (talk) 21:38, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Kazamzam, I don't have a definitive opinion on the matter and am happy to align with your philosophy. Michael Boutboul (talk) 09:44, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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New source for article

Bonjour! I am adding some sources from A History of the Jews in North Africa by H.Z. Hirschberg, published in 1974. Volume one focuses on antiquity to the sixteenth century. If I can get volume two from my library, I will add more soon. Cheers, Kazamzam (talk) 22:07, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the information, it seems interesting Michael Boutboul (talk) 16:07, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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AE result

Boutboul, the AE case has been closed with a warning to accept consensus, to use caution with sources, and to avoid POVpushing, especially at CTOPs. As I do with most less-experienced editors at CTOPs, I highly recommend you consider gaining more experience outside of PIA before making arguments there. Valereee (talk) 11:19, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

April 2025

To enforce an arbitration decision, and for disruptive editing, you have been blocked indefinitely from editing certain pages (Killings and massacres during the 1948 Palestine war).

If you believe this block is unjustified, please read the guide to appealing blocks (specifically this section) before appealing. Place the following on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Please copy my appeal to the [[WP:AE|arbitration enforcement noticeboard]] or [[WP:AN|administrators' noticeboard]]. Your reason here OR place the reason below this template. ~~~~}}. If you intend to appeal on the arbitration enforcement noticeboard, I suggest you use the arbitration enforcement appeals template on your talk page so it can be copied over easily. You may also appeal directly to me (by email), before or instead of appealing on your talk page.

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You are on extremely thin ice, here. This is a block from a single article, not even its talk page, and I think there's an extremely high likelihood other admins will feel I've undercorrected. Learn fast, or stop editing in PIA. Period. Valereee (talk) 13:10, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for abuse of editing privileges.

If you believe that there are good reasons for being unblocked, please review Wikipedia's guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text to the bottom of your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}. Valereee (talk) 22:00, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Valereee I did what you suggested me to do, I don't understand can you explain? Michael Boutboul (talk) 22:07, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That question indicates either WP:CIR issues -- hard to believe from someone with a PhD in applied physics and perfectly idiomatic English -- or intentional obtuseness. The next step is removal of talk page access. Would you like to reconsider your approach here? Maybe sleep on it before you respond. Valereee (talk) 22:12, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Come on, Michael. I could almost be persuaded to believe this was an innocent mixup if you'd just used the placeholder text that Valeree gave. But you gave the original Cicero quote, while linking to Lorem ipsum, indicating that you obviously understand what Lorem text is. It is patently unbelievable that, despite knowing that, you would take Valereee's comment as an instruction to propose adding a Cicero quote to the section as something for readers to reflect on. This is just trolling. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 22:19, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I know it sounds hard to believe, but it wasn’t a troll. I genuinely thought she asked me to include the original sentence, but she got it mixed up. Why would I do something that stupid on purpose? I’m just too candid. Michael Boutboul (talk) 01:02, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I’ve never trolled any forum in my entire life. Why would I use my account (and not an IP address) to do it—especially when it has my real name? Why would I deliberately kill myself like that—socially, emotionally, and with no gain whatsoever? Michael Boutboul (talk) 01:17, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This user is asking that his block be reviewed:

Boutboul (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

There were two steps in the block process:

First step: Blocked from editing the page Killings and massacres during the 1948 Palestine war

I added the following sentence: "On Sunday, 30 November 1947, armed Arabs ambushed a Jewish bus at Kfar Sirkin en route from Netanya to Jerusalem, killing five passengers. This incident, just hours after the United Nations voted to partition Palestine, is generally regarded as marking the start of the [first Arab-Israeli war]." (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Killings_and_massacres_during_the_1948_Palestine_war&diff=prev&oldid=1286337987), placing it at the beginning of the "Massacre" section. This comes from Ian Black, a non-partisan journalist. I quoted it directly to avoid any misinterpretation of the source.

Valereee raised concerns about the sentence. I explained that the event is widely known and supported by reliable scholars like Benny Morris and Ilan Pappé (who is known for his anti-Zionist perspective). Although she acknowledged the event was well sourced, she said I should not have added it in that way.

I have learned that, in sensitive topics like this, it is better to propose changes on the talk page first, even if the information is well sourced and not challenged.

Second step: Blocked from Wikipedia

Valereee suggested adding a sentence like "Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua" as an introduction to the "Massacre" section.

I didn’t recognize the sentence, so I researched it and found out it is a dummy Latin text used in the printing and web design industries. I was confused about the suggestion, but since it came from an administrator, I tried to find a logical reason. I discovered that the phrase is loosely based on a sentence by Cicero. So I attempted to link the section with a philosophical reflection from Cicero and used the original Latin sentence. I said, "It is a good idea for the Latin sentence," but she didn’t realize that I had misunderstood her — I actually didn’t understand the suggestion at all.

This was a huge misunderstanding. I was naive and made a poor decision, but I did not act with bad intent or try to troll.

I have learned that I should ask for clarification before taking action when I don’t fully understand a suggestion.

I hope this explains the situation and shows that I’ve learned from the experience. Thank you for your time and consideration.Michael Boutboul (talk) 09:52, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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: [[User:Valereee|Valereee]] raised concerns about the sentence. I explained that the event is widely known and supported by reliable scholars like Benny Morris and Ilan Pappé (who is known for his anti-Zionist perspective). Although she acknowledged the event was well sourced, she said I should not have added it in that way.

: I have learned that, in sensitive topics like this, it is better to propose changes on the talk page first, even if the information is well sourced and not challenged.

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: [[User:Valereee|Valereee]] suggested adding a sentence like "Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua" as an introduction to the "Massacre" section.

: I didn’t recognize the sentence, so I researched it and found out it is a dummy Latin text used in the printing and web design industries. I was confused about the suggestion, but since it came from an administrator, I tried to find a logical reason. I discovered that the phrase is loosely based on a sentence by Cicero. So I attempted to link the section with a philosophical reflection from Cicero and used the original Latin sentence. I said, "It is a good idea for the Latin sentence," but she didn’t realize that I had misunderstood her — I actually didn’t understand the suggestion at all.

: This was a huge misunderstanding. I was naive and made a poor decision, but I did not act with bad intent or try to troll.

: I have learned that I should ask for clarification before taking action when I don’t fully understand a suggestion.

: I hope this explains the situation and shows that I’ve learned from the experience. Thank you for your time and consideration.[[User:Boutboul|Michael Boutboul]] ([[User talk:Boutboul|talk]]) 09:52, 21 April 2025 (UTC) |3 = ~~~~}}

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: [[User:Valereee|Valereee]] raised concerns about the sentence. I explained that the event is widely known and supported by reliable scholars like Benny Morris and Ilan Pappé (who is known for his anti-Zionist perspective). Although she acknowledged the event was well sourced, she said I should not have added it in that way.

: I have learned that, in sensitive topics like this, it is better to propose changes on the talk page first, even if the information is well sourced and not challenged.

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: [[User:Valereee|Valereee]] suggested adding a sentence like "Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua" as an introduction to the "Massacre" section.

: I didn’t recognize the sentence, so I researched it and found out it is a dummy Latin text used in the printing and web design industries. I was confused about the suggestion, but since it came from an administrator, I tried to find a logical reason. I discovered that the phrase is loosely based on a sentence by Cicero. So I attempted to link the section with a philosophical reflection from Cicero and used the original Latin sentence. I said, "It is a good idea for the Latin sentence," but she didn’t realize that I had misunderstood her — I actually didn’t understand the suggestion at all.

: This was a huge misunderstanding. I was naive and made a poor decision, but I did not act with bad intent or try to troll.

: I have learned that I should ask for clarification before taking action when I don’t fully understand a suggestion.

: I hope this explains the situation and shows that I’ve learned from the experience. Thank you for your time and consideration.[[User:Boutboul|Michael Boutboul]] ([[User talk:Boutboul|talk]]) 09:52, 21 April 2025 (UTC) |decline = {{subst:Decline reason here}} ~~~~}}

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: [[User:Valereee|Valereee]] suggested adding a sentence like "Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua" as an introduction to the "Massacre" section.

: I didn’t recognize the sentence, so I researched it and found out it is a dummy Latin text used in the printing and web design industries. I was confused about the suggestion, but since it came from an administrator, I tried to find a logical reason. I discovered that the phrase is loosely based on a sentence by Cicero. So I attempted to link the section with a philosophical reflection from Cicero and used the original Latin sentence. I said, "It is a good idea for the Latin sentence," but she didn’t realize that I had misunderstood her — I actually didn’t understand the suggestion at all.

: This was a huge misunderstanding. I was naive and made a poor decision, but I did not act with bad intent or try to troll.

: I have learned that I should ask for clarification before taking action when I don’t fully understand a suggestion.

: I hope this explains the situation and shows that I’ve learned from the experience. Thank you for your time and consideration.[[User:Boutboul|Michael Boutboul]] ([[User talk:Boutboul|talk]]) 09:52, 21 April 2025 (UTC) |accept = accept reason here ~~~~}}