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:::{{ping|Sarvagyalal}} You have not answered the question. What are the rest of your statements based on?<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:10pt;color:#000000">--[[User:Toddy1| Toddy1]] [[User talk:Toddy1|(talk)]]</span> 06:54, 6 May 2025 (UTC) |
:::{{ping|Sarvagyalal}} You have not answered the question. What are the rest of your statements based on?<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:10pt;color:#000000">--[[User:Toddy1| Toddy1]] [[User talk:Toddy1|(talk)]]</span> 06:54, 6 May 2025 (UTC) |
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::::i can say my sources but you will claim those as unrelibale as they are not left wing . every indian knows about washington post's racist propaganda of portraying indian in bad light. and just look at their articles, bootlicking dynasty party congress which ruled india for 53 years .These are those far left : |
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Does this article meet notability criteria?
The article's current version has 46 references. First reference does not justify notability, but will the other 45?
LeónGonsalvesofGoa (talk) 04:34, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- Is this another instance of WP:SEALION? Anyway, this article was nominated for deletion twice once in 2020 and another time in 2021, in both cases the consensus was overwhelming in favour of keeping it. Here are sources(most of them scholarly) describing this phrase and how "Godi media" entities spread disinformation and political propaganda for the ruling party.
- Ayyub, Rana (2020-02-21). "Journalism is under attack in India. So is the truth". Washington Post. Retrieved 2025-01-21.
- Ghosh, Biswajit (2022). "Politics of Manufacturing Consent in a Post-Truth Society". Journal of Developing Societies. 38 (1): 7–26. doi:10.1177/0169796X211068451. ISSN 0169-796X.
- "Is the 'Godi Media' Acting Against its Own Interests by Supporting the Govt?". The Wire. 2024-05-11. Retrieved 2025-01-21.
- Bharadwaj, Aditya (2021). "The shroud stealers: Coronavirus and the viral vagility of prejudice". Viral Loads: Anthropologies of urgency in the time of COVID-19. UCL Press. p. 144. ISBN 978-1-80008-024-9. JSTOR j.ctv1j13zb3.13. Retrieved 2025-01-21.
- Mistree, D.; Ganguly, Š.; Diamond, L. (2024). "Indian Media". In Neyazi, Taberez (ed.). The Troubling State of India's Democracy. Emerging Democracies. University of Michigan Press. p. 330. ISBN 978-0-472-05701-6. Retrieved 2025-01-21.
- Joseph, Anjali Merin (2024). "The times of jeopardising free speech". Media, Culture & Society. 46 (8): 1737–1750. doi:10.1177/01634437241282179. ISSN 0163-4437.
- Singh, Birinder Pal (2023-10-02). "Kisan Andolan in India (2020–21): Punjabi singers' perspective". Sikh Formations. 19 (4): 284–301. doi:10.1080/17448727.2023.2289288. ISSN 1744-8727.
- Ahmad, Farhan; Alam, Sohaib; Kaur, Anmolpreet (2022-12-31). "Performative retrieving of humour for socio-political subversion: stand-up comedy as a form of creative resilience". Cogent Arts & Humanities. 9 (1). doi:10.1080/23311983.2022.2131968. ISSN 2331-1983.
- Verma, Rabindra Kumar; Kumar, Manoj (2024-11-03). "Conflict, conspiracy and lapdog journalism: review of the film Bastar: The Naxal Story". Media Asia: 1–7. doi:10.1080/01296612.2024.2420157. ISSN 0129-6612.
- Subramanian, Vidya (2023-05-04). "Speaking out on the internet: what does it mean to seek "justice" on social media?". Legal Pluralism and Critical Social Analysis. 55 (2): 226–246. doi:10.1080/27706869.2023.2176010. ISSN 2770-6869.
- Wasserman, Herman; Morales, Dani Madrid (2022). "How Three Mission-Driven News Organizations in the Global South Combat Disinformation". In Shabbir, Nabeelah; Posetti, Julie; Simon, Felix M. (eds.). Disinformation in the global South. Hoboken: Wiley Blackwell. p. 204-205. ISBN 978-1-119-71444-6.
- - Ratnahastin (talk) 05:50, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- If I’m guilty of a policy violation, I’m sure one of the admins will be quick to point out my errors. Based on what I’ve found so far, it seems the coverage might not have been as significant as was suggested in the prior discussions, which I will be sure to review :) LeónGonsalvesofGoa (talk) 04:19, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- Additionally, of the references you listed above, only the one by Ayyub is actually in the article, and it’s an opinion piece. Feel free to review the others for suitability to incorporate, expect me to cross check. LeónGonsalvesofGoa (talk) 04:31, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- The fact that this article has survived two AfDs even back when this term was recently coined means its notable. Most of my sources are post-2021 which again proves that even if "coverage might not have been as significant as was suggested" back then, the subject is currently highly notable. This source analysis is a pointless excercise. - Ratnahastin (talk) 13:40, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- I’m not trying to discredit the article entirely, just the term 'Godi media,' as highlighted above by @Vanamonde93. I updated the penultimate table column accordingly. LeónGonsalvesofGoa (talk) 04:06, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- So you are trying to discredit the "term"? Do you realise that sources cited in this articles are only a fraction of the total number of sources that provide coverage to this term and the broader phenomenon? - Ratnahastin (talk) 11:12, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
- 'Discredit' was a poor choice of words, I merely seek to clarify the authenticity of the phrase 'Godi media.' From my review so far, a great deal has been written on the topic of media coverage of Narendra Modi. LeónGonsalvesofGoa (talk) 22:48, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- So you are trying to discredit the "term"? Do you realise that sources cited in this articles are only a fraction of the total number of sources that provide coverage to this term and the broader phenomenon? - Ratnahastin (talk) 11:12, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
- I’m not trying to discredit the article entirely, just the term 'Godi media,' as highlighted above by @Vanamonde93. I updated the penultimate table column accordingly. LeónGonsalvesofGoa (talk) 04:06, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- The fact that this article has survived two AfDs even back when this term was recently coined means its notable. Most of my sources are post-2021 which again proves that even if "coverage might not have been as significant as was suggested" back then, the subject is currently highly notable. This source analysis is a pointless excercise. - Ratnahastin (talk) 13:40, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
Chittra Tripathi. Anjana Om Kashyap, Arnav. Goswami, Sudhir Chaudhary Are top godi anchors
Top Godi Anchors 2A02:2F04:173:5500:EB9:705A:F9B4:DBD7 (talk) 05:28, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
Deletion of this page
I am surprised to see that this term exits with a complete page on Wikipedia. This term is coined and used by anti-BJP people, IT cell and journalist. It's not a legitimate word. It should be deleted. MrLogikal (talk) 10:43, 22 March 2025 (UTC) Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Rahil1610
- It seems you have problem with everything on wikipedia but don't know anything about Wikipedia. If reliable sources call them "godi media" then that's what they will be called if reliable sources paint them in negative light then overall article will also be negative. bring reliable sources that dispute what has been written and then we can discuss on this page. DataCrusade1999 (talk) 09:12, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
@DataCrusade1999 I know more than you about Wikipedia. Main sources of all this page is The Wire, Newslaudry. And they are best known for anti-bjp agenda. No independent sources are cited like Indian Express, Hindustan Times, The Hindu, The Print etc. MrLogikal (talk) 15:34, 23 March 2025 (UTC)Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Rahil1610- It doesn't matter if they are anti-bjp or not the only thing that matters is that if they are reporting facts or not. so far all of them have reported facts. do not make any edits without discussion first. DataCrusade1999 (talk) 15:40, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
- what are you saying as facts doesn't mean facts for everybody since they are just objectives and not unchanging so called 'facts'. Very first thing is none of them are mainstreamed or is it enough coverage to be present in The mentioned columns like .. 2409:40E4:1343:1EFF:DCC3:33C9:3BCF:1E21 (talk) 12:20, 24 March 2025 (UTC)
- It doesn't matter if they are anti-bjp or not the only thing that matters is that if they are reporting facts or not. so far all of them have reported facts. do not make any edits without discussion first. DataCrusade1999 (talk) 15:40, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
- how are the wire and newslaundry reliable when they are known to give fake news and being funded by left wing Pieere Omidyar. Pls wikipedia we dont expect bias from you . the wire support congress and is anti bjp, these are similar to godi media, but still you use it as a reliable source. this is a big question to wikipedias reliability. It is like a war of left vs right wing and you are supporting left wing instead of being neutral .Washington post is known for its anti india racist propaganda and still you use it as a reliable source. Wow Sarvagyalal (talk) 13:24, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
Is this a badly sourced statement?
An editor removed the following sentences, with the edit summary: Removed a badly sourced statement:
- Godi media outlets have reportedly indulged in propagating Islamophobic narratives while covering this event, linking it to previous communal tensions like the Nagpur riots & Murshidabad riots. Arnab Goswami demanded a 'Final Solution' for Pakistan as revenge of this incident, on live air.[1][2]
References
- ^ Gupta, Surbhi (29 April 2025). "India is Reeling as the Illusion of Normalcy Dissolves in Kashmir". New Lines Magazine.
- ^ Saran, Mekhala (30 April 2025). "Post-Pahalgam Islamophobia: Let Harmony Bloom in the Gardens of Kashmir". The Quint.
The The Quint and New Lines Magazine are reliable published sources, so superficially the statements have good sources. (Note that I have slightly improved the citation templates above.)
- The article in New Lines Magazine does mention that "Arnab Goswami even invoked a “final solution” for Kashmir on national television". But it does not use the term "Godi", nor does to mention Nagpur or Murshidabad. It does say that "Indian news anchors ... have shouted war slogans, stoking tensions between Hindu and Muslim communities and demanding revenge against Pakistan." It also says that "Instead of raising critical questions about the apparent security lapses in the region and what might have led to the attack, the TV news channels have clamored over each other to laud the reactions of Modi and his home affairs minister, Amit Shah, in the aftermath of the attack."
- The article in The Quint is clearly labelled as opinion. That means that it is reliable as to what Mekhala Saran (the author) wrote, or what The Quint published – but that is it – and if used as a source, statements sourced to it cannot be in Wikipedia-voice. The article is very much a point-of-view with an appalling anti-British statement in the lead. So I think a lot of readers would put it in the David Icke/David Irving category – it probably says a lot more about Mekhala Saran than it does about how the Indian news media is covering Pahalgam.
I think we should rewrite the text based on what the article in New Lines Magazine actually says (and not what the deleted text says), and ignore what Mekhala Saran claims to think.-- Toddy1 (talk) 11:28, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
- copied from User talk:EarthDude[1]
- The statement of Goswami calling for a "Final Solution" against Pakistan for the attack, has two sources, one being an opinion article by The Quint, and the other being from New Lines Magazine, a site which is not that well known. I added these sources previously because before that, it used a YouTube video as a source which never even talked about Goswami's words on the Final Statement. I added the same on the Pahalgam Attack article, but some editors called me out, calling it unreliable. So I tried to look for the specific video, live stream, or new report where Goswami said the thing about the "final solution" but even after hours and hours of trying, I couldn't find it. After some more searching, it appears that it originated from a twitter post of a user accusing Goswami of making that statement, and that then got circle reported by various news sources, except for the reliable ones such as The Hindu, the Indian Express, etc. which have not covered the incident at all (which you would expect them to cover, considering the Nazi-esque language being used). Thats why I removed it, because theres no strong sourcing for it. It seems to originate from exaggerated or misinterpreted, sensationalised, and circle reported sources EarthDude (talk) 11:24, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
- @EarthDude: That seems a sensible explanation.-- Toddy1 (talk) 11:59, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
Reliability of reliable sources
how are the wire and newslaundry reliable when they are known to give fake news and being funded by left wing Pieere Omidyar. Pls wikipedia we dont expect bias from you . the wire support congress and is anti bjp, these are similar to godi media, but still you use it as a reliable source. this is a big question to wikipedias reliability. It is like a war of left vs right wing and you are supporting left wing instead of being neutral .Washington post is known for its anti india racist propaganda and still you use it as a reliable source. Wow. Pls wikimedia , don't be biased towards the left . If you consider left wing , hinduphobic sources as reliable then right wing sources are also reliable to promote neutrality Sarvagyalal (talk) 13:27, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
- Did you work this out yourself? Or did you read it somewhere? If so, where?-- Toddy1 (talk) 22:05, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
- the wire and newslaundry themselves have claimed about funding by Pierre(E-Bay founder) Sarvagyalal (talk) 02:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- @Sarvagyalal: You have not answered the question. What are the rest of your statements based on?-- Toddy1 (talk) 06:54, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- i can say my sources but you will claim those as unrelibale as they are not left wing . every indian knows about washington post's racist propaganda of portraying indian in bad light. and just look at their articles, bootlicking dynasty party congress which ruled india for 53 years .These are those far left :
- Starting from far-left:
- The Wire
- NDTV
- Indian Express
- The Hindu
- Amnesty India
- Bloomberg-Quint (1)
- Reuters India (2)
- BBC India (3)
- Huffington Post India
- Scroll.in
- TheWeek
- MirrorNow / any Mirror based paper (4)
- Gujarat Samachar (5)
- Caravan Magazine
- Janta Ka Reporter
- National Herald(owned by rahul and sonia gandhi)
- The Logical Indian
- Tehelka
- Cobrapost
- AltNews
- News Laundry
- News Minute
- as claimed by few proper neutral organisations (neither right nor left) Sarvagyalal (talk) 12:49, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- @Sarvagyalal: You have not answered the question. What are the rest of your statements based on?-- Toddy1 (talk) 06:54, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- the wire and newslaundry themselves have claimed about funding by Pierre(E-Bay founder) Sarvagyalal (talk) 02:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
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