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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on June 1, 2025.

Mir Yar Baloch

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was withdrawn by nominator. The Bushranger _{One ping only} 21:19, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Mir Yar Baloch → Insurgency in Balochistan (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Even though this person is mentioned in an infobox at the target, he isn't mentioned anywhere in the article text itself, nor is he mentioned in any other article. If I hadn't turned this article into a redirect, I'm sure that it would've been deleted following its own corresponding AfD discussion alongside Republic of Balochistan and Balochistan Freedom Declaration. – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 00:02, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging @Republic of Krusia, @Protobowladdict, @Old Man Consequences, @Arijit Kisku, @Durranistan, @Trim02 and @Johnj1995 as users who have edited this page to get a fuller discussion. – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 13:47, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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CVS Pharmacy, Inc. v. Doe

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 June 9#CVS Pharmacy, Inc. v. Doe

2030 NFL season

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was speedy delete. Per WP:G7 Hog Farm _Talk 23:32, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

2030 NFL season → National Football League (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Unhelpful redirect, there is no content at the target about the 2030 NFL season. Left guide (talk) 22:26, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as redirect creator. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 14:51, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Miércoles

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 June 9#Miércoles

The Once and Future President

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was Speedy delete per WP:CSD#G7. Thryduulf (talk) 18:32, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Once and Future President → Donald Trump (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This implausible and outdated redirect is of no use to anyone and should be deleted. Aquabluetesla (talk) 18:00, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete, it also seems like it has been used to refer to other presidents sometimes, for instance, JFK, Grover Cleveland, Putin. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 18:05, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I don't entirely remember my rationale for creating this and it is of somewhat marginal utility. Hog Farm _Talk 18:22, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Shish

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was Move Shish (disambiguation) to Shish. (non-admin closure) feminist🩸 (talk) 15:32, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Shish → SHISH (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

The lowercase makes the target surprising. Since there isn't much information on shish at skewer (the article is too broad), I think that retargeting to shish kebab (page view comparison) would provide the most information and be the most intuitive for readers. Alternatives include swapping with Shish (disambiguation). Sdrqaz (talk) 00:24, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:19, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Move Shish (disambiguation) to Shish. Steel1943 (talk) 23:56, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Notified of this discussion at the current and proposed targets, the creator talk and the disambiguation pages.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 14:29, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Move Shish (disambiguation) to Shish - Wikinav isn't working for me but this would seem to be the best option, also because the capitalization is different. --Schützenpanzer (Talk) 17:40, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Move Shish (disambiguation) without redirect to Shish Given nom's rationale about the name (not retargeting), this seems like the best. Worgisbor (congregate) 19:37, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Marksizm-leninizm

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) Steel1943 (talk) 22:02, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Marksizm-leninizm → Marxism–Leninism (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Implausible redirect. It is unlikely that someone will search for Marxism-Leninism using a romanization of Russian. Fancy Refrigerator ^(talk) 11:34, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I don't think it's that implausible, Marxism-Leninism is originally Russian so it makes sense as an alternate language spelling, and there are plenty of people who use enwiki who aren't native English speakers. No pageviews in the past 90 days other than today, but that's because the redirect was made today Psychastes (talk) 14:30, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

марксизм-ленинизм already redirects to Marxism-Leninism. I don't think we should set a precedent for romanizations of non-Latin script languages when their users are much more likely to use their native script. Fancy Refrigerator ^(talk) 10:39, 4 June 2025 (UTC) edited 10:51, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep I don't necessarily know if this is a common search term, but it is in the lead paragraph in the article, so I don't see much harm in keeping it. Casablanca 🪨^(T) 14:45, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Coast Guard News

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 June 9#Coast Guard News

Aldous Harding songs

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:40, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Two Bitten Hands → Aldous Harding (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Small Bones of Courage → Aldous Harding (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Song by Aldous Harding not mentioned in target or anywhere else onwiki. Rusalkii (talk) 04:32, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - no information anywhere. Jay 💬 11:06, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Stop Your Tears

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:41, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Stop Your Tears → Aldous Harding (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Song not mentioned in the artist's page. We mention it briefly at Martin Sagadin, who is the director of the music video, though it feels a little silly to point at that article. Rusalkii (talk) 04:32, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Shovelmouth

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was retarget to Astatotilapia sp. 'shovelmouth'. ✗plicit 14:41, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Shovelmouth → Amebelodontidae (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I think this was first used as a name for Platybelodon, which is a species in the Ice Age movies (their wiki), which is a genus in Amebelodontidae. We mention the Ice Age character Shovelmouth Boy at Jansen Panettiere We also have the fish Astatotilapia sp. 'shovelmouth' and a passing mention at Quintaglio Ascension Trilogy, where it seems to be a name for a fictional hadrosaur variant. Not sure if this should be deleted, retargeted, or disambiguated, though I think my inclination would be to target the fish. Rusalkii (talk) 02:33, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Astatotilapia sp. 'shovelmouth'. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 05:18, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Morbussy

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was delete. Rusalkii (talk) 04:29, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Morbussy → -ussy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This or Morbius are not mentioned at the target. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 00:44, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. No incoming links in the article space. In the unlikely event of anybody ever stumbling over this redirect they are not going to find whatever they are looking for in the redirected article. Rather than redirect people in an unhelpful and confusing way, it is better to just admit that we don't have anything for them on this alleged subject. --DanielRigal (talk) 01:04, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Draft:Jam doughnuts

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was keep. Rusalkii (talk) 05:44, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Jam doughnuts → Jelly doughnut (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I attempted nominating this for speedy deletion but it was declined. I do not feel it is necessary to have a redirect from the draft namespace, especially since the non-draft namespace version of this redirect exists and also redirects the same way. It is incredibly improbable someone would ever keyword the draft namespace to find information on a topic—the casual reader doesn’t even realize Wikipedia is more than article space. The draft was also originally created by a troll who was blocked indefinitely, before another user changed it into a redirect. Thebirdlover (talk) 16:26, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ugh. Just delete this per WP:NOTBURO, WP:G6, or what have you. It was a duplicate created by a not-here user, and a redirect at the same title already exists in main space. And for some bizarre reason, you can't even let draft space redirects get cleaned up in six months by G13. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 16:50, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Believe me, if I was an administrator I would, don't act like everyone on Wikipedia has those powers. Draft space redirects shouldn't exist in my opinion--why delay something that can be done now? --Thebirdlover (talk) 17:27, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I was just addressing Wikipedia at large, not you specifically. I wasn't expecting you to do any of this, but rather the result of this discussion, which shouldn't really be necessary, but sometimes the bureaucracy wins out. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 20:39, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as completely harmless. This discussion has caused far more disruption and wasted far more editor time than anything else to do with this redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 11:19, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
In what way does keeping it prevent further disruption and wasted time versus deleting it? 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:32, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Misleading, in the implication that there was a real draft at this title that editors could draw from. --BDD (talk) 20:05, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Move without redirect to Jam doughnuts. I assume this editor was trying to create a redirect at this title but couldn't due to not being autoconfirmed. -- Tavix ^(talk) 20:30, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as per Thryduulf and move as per Tavix. Some pretty awesome usernames, btw. Hyperbolick (talk) 03:31, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Do you support moving with or without a redirect? Cremastra (u — c) 22:51, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Rusalkii (talk) 23:03, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Move WITH redirect to Jam doughnuts. The leftover redirect will then be a {{R avoided double redirect}}, akin to getting a draft redirect "published". Steel1943 (talk) 19:54, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note: Xoontor created the redirect Jam doughnuts after I stated my vote. Steel1943 (talk) 23:08, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, voorts (talk/contributions) 00:39, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and tag with Template:R avoided double redirect per Steel1943, except now a redirect has been created so there is no longer a need to move. Draft to Main XNRs are usually harmless, and in this case even slightly helpful since if someone else goes to create a draft at that title they will instead be redirected to the page where they should be contributing. 204.111.137.20 (talk) 03:40, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. ~~WP:ITSHARMLESS is not a valid argument.~~ There is no purpose in a redirect from draftspace to articlespace; valid cross-namespace redirects are extremely rare and this is not one of them. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 03:53, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There are probably considerably more than 100k draft to mains XNRs at this point, they are by no means rare. It is also worth pointing out for whatever its worth that WP:ITSHARMLESS says the exact opposite of what you say it does "Whether something is harmful or harmless are also valid arguments for and against deletion of redirects at Redirects for discussion. This normally centres around harm (or lack of) to the encyclopedia, e.g. from a redirect being misleading or in the way of other content. See Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion#When should a redirect be deleted?." I strongly suggest reading essays before linking to them in the future. 204.111.137.20 (talk) 03:59, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Mea culpa on the link. But the fact that they are by no means rare is - while true, note that I said valid cross-namespace redirects are extremely rare. Redirects from draftspace to articlespace are, IMHO, not valid cross-namespace redirects. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 04:52, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Than you probably should have made it clear that it was only in your personal opinion, because sitewide consensus decided on by RfCs as to the validity of most of them is is to the contrary on that. You may of course disagree with that consensus, but the standard procedure in those cases is to seek to overturn that through RfCs rather than going to a bunch of XfDs to complain about some class or another of pages that the community has decided is valid but you believe should be deleted as a group. Though I'll admit that going after an entire class of pages would make for one hell of a batch nom. 204.111.137.20 (talk) 15:50, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Kinda difficult to move this redirect to Jam doughnuts now that someone created it. (Pinging Tavix and Hyperbolick [cannot ping the other editor since they are an anon] since this affects their votes [as well as mine].) Steel1943 (talk) 23:11, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No, it's not difficult at all (for admins). If an admin tries to move a page to one that already exists, it'll ask if you want to delete the existing page. Say yes, and the move goes through. -- Tavix ^(talk) 00:30, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

...I meant the most-likely unintentional WP:POINTy page title blockage, but yeah. Steel1943 (talk) 03:31, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

To clarify, it matters insofar as I would prefer for the editor who first tried creating the redirect to be the one to have the "credit" for it. -- Tavix ^(talk) 03:29, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Don’t think it much matters. Hyperbolick (talk) 20:35, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I'm not sure there's a need to move the redirect. If this discussion results in the redirect being kept, it can simply be tagged as an avoided double redirect of Jam doughnuts. I often create redirects from plurals when they don't exist, and this one didn't exist – so I just created it. Xoontor (talk) 04:40, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and tag per the IP 204. Thryduulf (talk) 12:03, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I don't see the initial contribution as a troll anyway but a honest effort to make an article on a topic that already existed User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 12:15, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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 ::[[марксизм-ленинизм]] already redirects to Marxism-Leninism. I don't think we should set a precedent for romanizations of non-Latin script languages when their users are much more likely to use their native script. [[User:Fancy Refrigerator|Fancy Refrigerator]] <sup>([[User talk:Fancy Refrigerator|talk]])</sup> 10:39, 4 June 2025 (UTC) edited 10:51, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
 * '''Weak keep''' I don't necessarily know if this is a common search term, but it is in the lead paragraph in the article, so I don't see much harm in keeping it. <span style="color: #006233">[[User:Casablanca Rock|Casablanca 🪨]]<sup>([[User talk:Casablanca Rock|T]])</sup></span> 14:45, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
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 ====Coast Guard News====