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Protecting page or nah?

I'm afraid that the other IP users starts to posting an nonsense...Sparkschu Itai (talk) 15:08, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not really needed unless there is prolonged vandalism, which I'm seeing no sign of just now. CoconutOctopus talk 15:13, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ah I see Sparkschu Itai (talk) 15:14, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

10, 9, 8, 7... Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:22, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Title

Two issues with the title: I know "lawmaker" is a common usage for senators and representatives collectively, at both a national and state level, but it's a bit informal. The article Minnesota Legislature refers to such a person as a "legislator" if you're not specifying representative or senator. This article should probably follow that usage.

Secondly, now that the two of the four victims have died and one was an elected official, would a title that uses "assassination" or "assassination of" rather than shooting be appropriate. (I'm on the fence on this second point.)

Even if "shooting" and "lawmakers" is kept, "2025 shootings of Minnesota lawmakers" is probably better than "2025 Minnesota lawmaker shootings". Peter G Werner (talk) 15:44, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The title should absolutely use "assassination" because that would more adequately describe what happened. "Shooting" does not capture what occurred appropriately. Other pages covering assassinations of politicians use "assassination." Redtreason (talk) 15:52, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Eventually, yes. You should feel free to create redirects from more appropriate titles, and we have a move discussion eventually. Guettarda (talk) 15:54, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Political motivation

I think it's relevant to highlight the fact that both targets were Democrats (DFL), especially since these occurred the night before a massive anti-Trump protest. Patterneds0cks (talk) 15:46, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've added that with a quote from Walz. The context of the No Kings protest, while it seems obvious, needs a source. If you find any that makes the connection, even mentions the fact that they occurred the night before, please share them. Guettarda (talk) 15:56, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Motive

Reports from sources (FOX 9) confirm there is no confirmed motive yet provided by authorities, so the motive should not yet be listed or listed as unknown. I’m aware Walz said it was politically motivated, but there is no reliable way to confirm that, and all sources are going off of that one quote. However, the claimed motive is still unconfirmed (even though it is highly likely that it is politically motivated.) Chuckhutch29 (talk) 16:01, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Political motivation

ElijahPepe what goes on the lead is something worth discussing, but you're removing a statement by the governor of the state, which is backed up by statements by Bruley. Please remember that the standard is verifiability, not Truth. Guettarda (talk) 16:09, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also please pay attention to what you're doing. You've broken references in the page twice now. Guettarda (talk) 16:12, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Democratic Party

I have no idea who removed "Democratic Party" from this article, or why, but I have never seen an article on the assassination of a politician which did not mention the party they represented.

I have restored the allegiance of both politicians. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:23, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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 :I've added that with a quote from Walz. The context of the No Kings protest, while it seems obvious, needs a source. If you find any that makes the connection, even mentions the fact that they occurred the night before, please share them. [[User:Guettarda|Guettarda]] ([[User talk:Guettarda|talk]]) 15:56, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
-== Requested move 14 June 2025 ==
-{{requested move/dated|Shootings of Melissa Hortman and John A. Hoffman}}
-[[:2025 Minnesota lawmaker shootings]] → {{no redirect|Shootings of Melissa Hortman and John A. Hoffman}} – Current title is vague. [[User:Magnetopagnoso|Magnetopagnoso]] ([[User talk:Magnetopagnoso|talk]]) 15:55, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
-*'''Oppose''' not really, and Melissa Hortman/John A. Hoffman weren't the only victims. [[User:Queen of Hearts|<span style="color: deeppink;">charlotte</span>]] [[User talk:Queen of Hearts|<sup style="color: deeppink;">👸♥</sup>]] 16:13, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
-*:Hey, at least I made a good recent article about it. There's no need to redirected tbh [[User:Sparkschu Itai|Sparkschu Itai]] ([[User talk:Sparkschu Itai|talk]]) 16:16, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
-:'''Oppose''', current title may not be perfect but it's better than the suggested, since those are not the only victims. [[User:CoconutOctopus|<span style="color: purple">CoconutOctopus</span>]] [[User talk:CoconutOctopus|<span style="color: pink">talk</span>]] 16:26, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
 == Motive ==