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Isaiah 45

Hi and thanks for your work! Note, the analysis of Verse 1 in this article came from a copyrighted web site, http://biblehub.com/commentaries/isaiah/45-1.htm so had to be removed. If I'm wrong, and that site actually took that content from somewhere else that was freely published, please let me know so it can be restored and proper attribution given. Thanks! Crow^Caw 23:29, 3 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Crow: The analysis of Verse 1 is taken from several individual sources. The online texts can be viewed at Studylight.org and Sacred-Texts.com. Regarding these resources, it is stated in the main webpage of the latter:

This page indexes fifteen Biblical commentaries, all believed to be in the public domain in the US due to publication prior to 1923. All of the Bible references in these files are linked into the King James Version of the Bible at this site.

Therefore I believe that the citations doesn't infringe any copyrights. JohnThorne (talk) 23:50, 3 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the reply. One thing we would need to confirm is the actual sources for the various commentaries. Using them as sources is perfectly fine, but if that content is added verbatim, each source needs to be attributed, even if Public Domain, so as to stay on the good side of our Plagiarism policy. I'll restore that content, but if you can identify the actual sources, that would be great. Thanks again! Crow^Caw 23:56, 3 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
(more) The detail for Ref 8 is exactly what would be needed for the others, if that level of detail can be gotten. Crow^Caw 00:02, 4 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Crow: Very appreciate your review and advice. I'm trying to carefully attribute each statement to the original sources, including citation within citation, such as works of Xenophon, Herodotus, etc. by more modern authors. Will add more details to the references. Thanks again for checking. JohnThorne (talk) 00:04, 4 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again for the diligence, and again for your contributions! Crow^Caw 00:06, 4 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Jewish Bible translations

Hi, John. Here is another website you might want to include in the external links section. One advantage of this site over the mechon-mamre site is the ability to view Rashi's commentary. Regards, -- -- -- 02:26, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@--: Thank you for the suggestion. JohnThorne (talk) 17:39, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Bible chapter articles

Hi, I have been reviewing some articles you are writing on chapters from the Bible. Much of what you are putting in is very generic, applying to the whole Old Testament etc. It would be good to put some unique information about the content of the chapter in the lead section. This will make the articles more attractive to read, rather than telling people what they already know first up. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 01:22, 30 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Nuzi texts

I've rewritten this. As it was, it presented only the Creationist view and was a violation of WP:NPOV. I've tried to use a neutral source which mentions the view that there are biblical parallels and the more mainstream view that "The appearance of Late Bronze Age parallels to certain marriage, inheritance, and family religious customs ill Genesis cannot be used as evidence that such stories preserve ancient traditions of the second millennium, since most of these customs continued into the first millennium bce when the Genesis narratives were written down. So the Nuzi texts have a limited, largely illustrative function." Remember, we are a mainstream encyclopedia. On the other hand, if you want to edit from this perspective, Conservapedia is Creationist and probably won't represent any other views. Doug Weller talk 10:33, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

March 2017

Your addition to Nuzi texts has been removed, as it appears to have added copyrighted material to Wikipedia without evidence of permission from the copyright holder. If you are the copyright holder, please read Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials for more information on uploading your material to Wikipedia. For legal reasons, Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted material, including text or images from print publications or from other websites, without an appropriate and verifiable license. All such contributions will be deleted. You may use external websites or publications as a source of information, but not as a source of content, such as sentences or images—you must write using your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. Doug Weller talk 12:50, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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 I've rewritten this. As it was, it presented only the Creationist view and was a violation of [[WP:NPOV]]. I've tried to use a neutral source which mentions the view that there are biblical parallels and the more mainstream view that "The appearance of Late Bronze Age parallels to certain marriage, inheritance, and family religious customs ill Genesis cannot be used as evidence that such stories preserve ancient traditions of the second millennium, since most of these customs continued into the first millennium bce when the Genesis narratives were written down. So the Nuzi texts have a limited, largely illustrative function." Remember, we are a mainstream encyclopedia. On the other hand, if you want to edit from this perspective, Conservapedia is Creationist and probably won't represent any other views. [[User:Doug Weller|<span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span>]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 10:33, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
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+[[Image:Copyright-problem.svg|30px|alt=Copyright problem icon]] Your addition to [[:Nuzi texts]] has been removed, as it appears to have added [[Wikipedia:Copyrights|copyrighted]] material to Wikipedia without evidence of [[Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission|permission]] from the copyright holder. If you are the copyright holder, please read [[Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials]] for more information on uploading your material to Wikipedia.  For legal reasons, Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted material, including text or images from print publications or from other websites, without an appropriate and verifiable license. All such contributions will be deleted. You may use external websites or publications as a source of ''information'', but not as a source of ''content'', such as sentences or images&mdash;you must write using your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators '''will be [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked from editing]]'''. <!-- Template:uw-copyright --> [[User:Doug Weller|<span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span>]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 12:50, 1 March 2017 (UTC)