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::<s>None at all? Then I can restore the entire edit bar the TK part which we can debate here. [[User:Konli17|Konli17]] ([[User talk:Konli17|talk]]) 23:05, 16 August 2020 (UTC)</s> |
::<s>None at all? Then I can restore the entire edit bar the TK part which we can debate here. [[User:Konli17|Konli17]] ([[User talk:Konli17|talk]]) 23:05, 16 August 2020 (UTC)</s> |
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::{{ping|Rosguill}}, you should check his other edits as well. Most of them are OR and POV-pushing, I reported him several times, although not action was taken. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hulusi_Akar&type=revision&diff=969481357&oldid=968280740 here], he is manipulating the source as well. Although the sources explicitly tell that the operation is against ISIS, he is changing it to "taking advantage of the retreat of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant". [[User:Beshogur|Beshogur]] ([[User talk:Beshogur|talk]]) 09:59, 9 August 2020 (UTC) |
::{{ping|Rosguill}}, you should check his other edits as well. Most of them are OR and POV-pushing, I reported him several times, although not action was taken. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hulusi_Akar&type=revision&diff=969481357&oldid=968280740 here], he is manipulating the source as well. Although the sources explicitly tell that the operation is against ISIS, he is changing it to "taking advantage of the retreat of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant". [[User:Beshogur|Beshogur]] ([[User talk:Beshogur|talk]]) 09:59, 9 August 2020 (UTC) |
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== Requested move 16 December 2020 == |
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[[:Kobanî]] → {{no redirect|Ayn al-Arab}} – As per official name [[User:Shadow4dark|Shadow4dark]] ([[User talk:Shadow4dark|talk]]) 17:25, 16 December 2020 (UTC) |
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This page maybe should be locked/protected from editing, due to the dispite over the name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.217.29.10 (talk) 03:26, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
Requested move 19 December 2019
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The result of the move request was: Not moved. Closing a day early. Stop flooding these discussions, single purpose accounts. It's not a vote and it's just not going to work. El_C 17:47, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
Kobanî → Ayn al-Arab – per Wikipedia:COMMONNAME (see also Ayn al-Arab District and Ayn al-Arab Subdistrict Futebul (talk) 09:11, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
Oppose This is the English Wikipedia, and in English it is very well known as Kobanî. I wouldn't look for Ayn :Al Arab. Don't remember ever having read of it in English newspapers. But this is just my experience. We also :don't have the article Deutschland because it is called Deutschland in German. (From Wikipedia:COMMONNAME) :We use the most recognizable name which is Germany. And for Ayn al Arab I guess it is Kobanî. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 11:52, 19 December 2019 (UTC)— Paradise Chronicle (talk • contribs) is a confirmed sock puppet of Lean Anael (talk • contribs).- Procedural note. I have reunited the talk archive with the article after it was lost through the series of undiscussed moves. The current title was established through a previous discussion at Talk:Kobanî/Archive 1#Requested move 2. Dekimasuよ! 12:37, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose Kobanî is more commonly used for the settlement per Google Search. --Semsurî (talk) 14:14, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
- Support Ayn al-Arab is the official name of the city. 94.212.56.71 (talk) 16:22, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose per COMMONNAME, Kobani is used far more frequently in English coverage. signed, Rosguill talk 05:36, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose. Common name in English-language sources (most common as "Kobani" unaccented). (not watching, please
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) czar 03:05, 22 December 2019 (UTC) - Support per nom. Neutrale Person (talk) 13:22, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
- Support per official name. 94.204.190.77 (talk) 17:52, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
- Support per above. Portbase (talk) 11:41, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
- Strongly Support according to Google Maps and Open Street Map. The name of the town is Ayn al-Arab.[1] 84.248.175.165 (talk) 16:27, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
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Northern Kurdistan
Beshogur, why do you describe referring to Turkish Kurdistan by its name as POV-pushing? Konli17 (talk) 21:44, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- The official name is Ayn al-Arab and it is under Assad/russian control. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peacetowikied (talk • contribs) 04:43, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
And Paradise Chronicle ussed sockpuppets to move this page name to "Kobani" Peacetowikied (talk) 04:51, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
Konli, your zeal to kurdify everything in Syria, Turkey, Iraq and Iran is pathetic. Refer to the Kurdistan map in the Treaty of Sevres, that's where Kurdistan stops. Turkey is Turkey, not Turkish Kurdistan. Even Ocalan has given up this nationalist propaganda. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 05:43, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
Beshogur? Konli17 (talk) 12:13, 6 August 2020 (UTC)- Konli do a reply user tag. If you not know how search on Google. Shadow4dark (talk) 18:57, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
Pharaoh17, why do you describe referring to Turkish Kurdistan by its name as POV-pushing? Konli17 (talk) 10:55, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
- Konli do a reply user tag. If you not know how search on Google. Shadow4dark (talk) 18:57, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
Because the population fled to TURKEY. What does Turkish Kurdistan have to do with this?! The population fled from one country to another. Turkish Kurdistan does not have even have specific borders. You just will not stop your POV editing. Thepharoah17 (talk) 11:06, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
It's relevant because Kurdish people were seeking refuge in another part of Kurdistan. The Turkish Kurdistan article already says it's in Turkey. Konli17 (talk) 11:26, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
- On a related note, Konli17 and Thepharoah17, stop the slow motion edit war and hash this out here before making further edits. I've restored the infobox title as Kobanî because the edit where that was changed seems to have been done without seeking consensus [2], and despite a prior explicit consensus for the article to be named Kobanî. I've set the lead to also be back as it was before Konli17's contested edits. I'm honestly fine with whatever consensus people come to over this issue, but the edit warring needs to stop. Further edits to the lead or infobox related to this matter before you've come to a resolution on the talk page will be met with blocks. signed, Rosguill talk 15:21, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
- I have fully protected the page for one week. El_C 15:24, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
Pharaoh17, have you any problem with describing either Kobani or the YPG as Kurdish-majority? Konli17 (talk) 15:32, 7 August 2020 (UTC)Pharoah17? Konli17 (talk) 09:11, 8 August 2020 (UTC)- Lol you both are "17"Peacetowikied (talk) 20:21, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
Rosguill, I reckon progress could be better. Konli17 (talk) 20:23, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
- Lol you both are "17"Peacetowikied (talk) 20:21, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
- I have fully protected the page for one week. El_C 15:24, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
Konli, replacing Turkey by Turkish Kurdistan is clearly POV pushing, especially when it comes from someone line you, hardly neutral, and ready to start an edit war on every page related to Kurds. As ThePharoah17 said, Kurdistan is not well defined, and just claiming any area with some Kurdish presence as Kurdistan is not something acceptable for an encyclopedia. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 20:59, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
- Konli17, just going by the source currently cited in the lead [3], it says that people fled to "Turkey", not Turkish Kurdistan. While I understand that it's likely that they fled to Kurdish-majority regions in Turkey, you're going to need to provide additional reliable sources that specifically state this, otherwise we'd be engaging in original research, which is a nonstarter. signed, Rosguill talk 21:09, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
That's a fair point, Rosguill. But my edit that was reverted was pretty wide-ranging, so I'd like to know first if there were any other parts that anyone found objectionable that we have to thrash out here. Konli17 (talk) 23:38, 8 August 2020 (UTC)None at all? Then I can restore the entire edit bar the TK part which we can debate here. Konli17 (talk) 23:05, 16 August 2020 (UTC)- @Rosguill:, you should check his other edits as well. Most of them are OR and POV-pushing, I reported him several times, although not action was taken. here, he is manipulating the source as well. Although the sources explicitly tell that the operation is against ISIS, he is changing it to "taking advantage of the retreat of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant". Beshogur (talk) 09:59, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
Requested move 16 December 2020
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