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*'''Keep/Strong keep''': Basically my entire argument can be found [[Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_1100#Need_a_help|within this Teahouse discussion]], where I discuss and link to sources I found while performing very rudimentary [[WP:BEFORE]]. I encourage anyone participating in this discussion as well as the reviewing administrator to look at some of the sources there and read my full argument. I not only believe that the article's subject exceeds the standards laid out by the [[WP:GNG]], but also that, unlike in {{u|DoubleGrazing}}'s vote, there's no issue with the claim of noteworthiness. The nom, [[User:Kashmorwiki|Kichu]], is entirely incorrect about the extent of reliable, independent sources' coverage of the subject, insofar as it goes well beyond her marriage and pregnancy, which you can easily see by looking at the sources I provided at the Teahouse. Kichu was involved in this Teahouse discussion and should therefore be well aware of this obviously non-[[WP:ROUTINE|routine]] coverage. Likewise, as best I can tell, the draft at AfC was rejected once, not "multiple times". The article should be cleaned up and have ''much'' more coverage given to the land controversy, which received sustained coverage in multiple reliable state-wide and even national news sources, but the subject herself handily merits an article. {{tq|I want to note that the draft's creator, {{u|ProudMallu}}, notified me of this discussion on my talk page (in a manner teetering on inappropriate notification) but that I had every intention of participating in this discussion in the first place.}} <b>[[User:TheTechnician27|<span style="color: #00a9ff"><i>TheTechnician27</i></span>]]</b> [[User talk:TheTechnician27|<span style="color: blue">(Talk page)</span>]] 15:43, 20 March 2021 (UTC) |
*'''Keep/Strong keep''': Basically my entire argument can be found [[Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_1100#Need_a_help|within this Teahouse discussion]], where I discuss and link to sources I found while performing very rudimentary [[WP:BEFORE]]. I encourage anyone participating in this discussion as well as the reviewing administrator to look at some of the sources there and read my full argument. I not only believe that the article's subject exceeds the standards laid out by the [[WP:GNG]], but also that, unlike in {{u|DoubleGrazing}}'s vote, there's no issue with the claim of noteworthiness. The nom, [[User:Kashmorwiki|Kichu]], is entirely incorrect about the extent of reliable, independent sources' coverage of the subject, insofar as it goes well beyond her marriage and pregnancy, which you can easily see by looking at the sources I provided at the Teahouse. Kichu was involved in this Teahouse discussion and should therefore be well aware of this obviously non-[[WP:ROUTINE|routine]] coverage. Likewise, as best I can tell, the draft at AfC was rejected once, not "multiple times". The article should be cleaned up and have ''much'' more coverage given to the land controversy, which received sustained coverage in multiple reliable state-wide and even national news sources, but the subject herself handily merits an article. {{tq|I want to note that the draft's creator, {{u|ProudMallu}}, notified me of this discussion on my talk page (in a manner teetering on inappropriate notification) but that I had every intention of participating in this discussion in the first place.}} <b>[[User:TheTechnician27|<span style="color: #00a9ff"><i>TheTechnician27</i></span>]]</b> [[User talk:TheTechnician27|<span style="color: blue">(Talk page)</span>]] 15:43, 20 March 2021 (UTC) |
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*'''Comment''':[[u|TheTechnician27]], its {{u|Padavalamkuttanpilla}} who reviewed the draft. So I would like to ping him here. {{ping|Padavalamkuttanpilla}} And if you see the comment by another experienced reviewer in that teahouse discussion, his opinion was also that the subject is not getting enough significant coverage. He also said the 3 sources you provide does not pass GNG. This is his comment copied from that discussion;{{tq|At the time I reviewed the article, it had 14 sources. I was confident that 11 did not pass GNG. I evaluated this source you mentioned as not passing GNG because there is only about a paragraph of information on her specifically, which is less than the standard I was taught of at least two paragraphs. After consulting with Onel, who is very experienced at new page patrol and AFD, he assessed the 3 sources I was unsure about as also not passing GNG}} And we three are not not the only three users who thinks the subject is not notable. I was not the person who placed the notability tag. You can see the edit history. Regards [[User:Kashmorwiki|Kichu]]🐘 <sup>[[User talk:Kashmorwiki|<i style="color:green">Need any help?</i>]]</sup> 15:50, 20 March 2021 (UTC) |
*'''Comment''':[[u|TheTechnician27]], its {{u|Padavalamkuttanpilla}} who reviewed the draft. So I would like to ping him here. {{ping|Padavalamkuttanpilla}} And if you see the comment by another experienced reviewer in that teahouse discussion, his opinion was also that the subject is not getting enough significant coverage. He also said the 3 sources you provide does not pass GNG. This is his comment copied from that discussion;{{tq|At the time I reviewed the article, it had 14 sources. I was confident that 11 did not pass GNG. I evaluated this source you mentioned as not passing GNG because there is only about a paragraph of information on her specifically, which is less than the standard I was taught of at least two paragraphs. After consulting with Onel, who is very experienced at new page patrol and AFD, he assessed the 3 sources I was unsure about as also not passing GNG}} And we three are not not the only three users who thinks the subject is not notable. I was not the person who placed the notability tag. You can see the edit history. Regards [[User:Kashmorwiki|Kichu]]🐘 <sup>[[User talk:Kashmorwiki|<i style="color:green">Need any help?</i>]]</sup> 15:50, 20 March 2021 (UTC) |
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:*You the person who placed notability tag first [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1012637768 check this]. And you are doing all these intentionally now. [[User:ProudMallu|<span style="color:#0000FF;text-shadow:1px 1px 6px rgba(255,153,0,0.6)">ProudMallu</span>]] ([[User talk:ProudMallu|<span title="Talk Page">📨</span>]]│[[Special:Contributions/ProudMallu|<span title="Contribs">📝</span>]]) 16:45, 20 March 2021 (UTC) |
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*Reply to {{u|TheTechnician27}}: I would like you to show me atleast any two sources giving her significant coverage, so that I can withdraw this nom. Regards [[User:Kashmorwiki|Kichu]]🐘 <sup>[[User talk:Kashmorwiki|<i style="color:green">Need any help?</i>]]</sup> 15:58, 20 March 2021 (UTC) |
*Reply to {{u|TheTechnician27}}: I would like you to show me atleast any two sources giving her significant coverage, so that I can withdraw this nom. Regards [[User:Kashmorwiki|Kichu]]🐘 <sup>[[User talk:Kashmorwiki|<i style="color:green">Need any help?</i>]]</sup> 15:58, 20 March 2021 (UTC) |
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The subject has nothing notable to claim to have an independent article. This article was earlier rejected multiple number of times at AFC. The sources are giving some routine coverage about her marriage and pregnancy. That is not sufficient to establish notability. She has no significant coverage hence fails GNG. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 10:49, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 10:49, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Law-related deletion discussions. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 10:49, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 10:49, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Kerala-related deletion discussions. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 10:49, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
- Strong Keep The article is reviewed by Melcous. Please see Google search results, Google news results, books results, Scholar results WP refs. ProudMallu (📨│📝) 11:04, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Firstly, it's a bit poor form to create an article under one user name, and then come and argue at AfD under another. I don't know if there's a policy against that, but IMHO there should be. Secondly, Melcous seems to have tagged the article for notability, which probably automatically marked it as reviewed — hardly the endorsement you seem to think it is. And as for linking all those Google searches, this is a bit pointless as everyone's search results will differ, and in any case if you have found reliable sources sufficient to establish notability, then you can add them to the article; it's of your creation, after all. --DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:23, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
- I changed my username with the person of an admin. You can check that here. ProudMallu (📨│📝) 11:56, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
- I know you did, that's how I found out that you are the same editor. My point remains: creating the article under one username and voting here under another (however that came about) gives the impression that your vote is a neutral, unbiased one, whereas it's the article creator voting to keep their article (as would be expected). Thanks, --DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:39, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
- I changed my username with the person of an admin. You can check that here. ProudMallu (📨│📝) 11:56, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Firstly, it's a bit poor form to create an article under one user name, and then come and argue at AfD under another. I don't know if there's a policy against that, but IMHO there should be. Secondly, Melcous seems to have tagged the article for notability, which probably automatically marked it as reviewed — hardly the endorsement you seem to think it is. And as for linking all those Google searches, this is a bit pointless as everyone's search results will differ, and in any case if you have found reliable sources sufficient to establish notability, then you can add them to the article; it's of your creation, after all. --DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:23, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
- Weak keep, the weakest of weak keeps, that is. There are enough reliable sources, with sufficient coverage, to establish WP:GNG, even if (an in this respect I do agree with the nom) there doesn't appear to be much claim of noteworthiness. An example of where technical notability supersedes IRL one, and an article may end up surviving that really shouldn't? --DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:35, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
- Note to others: The user ProudMallu, who created this article is under suspicion for violating our guidelines. There is already a case against this user at SPI regarding personal attacks like this [1] and using multiple accounts. ProuMallu is also suspected for sockpuppetry. See this [2]. Kichu🐘 Need any help? 12:47, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
- Keep/Strong keep: Basically my entire argument can be found within this Teahouse discussion, where I discuss and link to sources I found while performing very rudimentary WP:BEFORE. I encourage anyone participating in this discussion as well as the reviewing administrator to look at some of the sources there and read my full argument. I not only believe that the article's subject exceeds the standards laid out by the WP:GNG, but also that, unlike in DoubleGrazing's vote, there's no issue with the claim of noteworthiness. The nom, Kichu, is entirely incorrect about the extent of reliable, independent sources' coverage of the subject, insofar as it goes well beyond her marriage and pregnancy, which you can easily see by looking at the sources I provided at the Teahouse. Kichu was involved in this Teahouse discussion and should therefore be well aware of this obviously non-routine coverage. Likewise, as best I can tell, the draft at AfC was rejected once, not "multiple times". The article should be cleaned up and have much more coverage given to the land controversy, which received sustained coverage in multiple reliable state-wide and even national news sources, but the subject herself handily merits an article.
I want to note that the draft's creator, ProudMallu, notified me of this discussion on my talk page (in a manner teetering on inappropriate notification) but that I had every intention of participating in this discussion in the first place.
TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 15:43, 20 March 2021 (UTC) - Comment:TheTechnician27, its Padavalamkuttanpilla who reviewed the draft. So I would like to ping him here. @Padavalamkuttanpilla: And if you see the comment by another experienced reviewer in that teahouse discussion, his opinion was also that the subject is not getting enough significant coverage. He also said the 3 sources you provide does not pass GNG. This is his comment copied from that discussion;
At the time I reviewed the article, it had 14 sources. I was confident that 11 did not pass GNG. I evaluated this source you mentioned as not passing GNG because there is only about a paragraph of information on her specifically, which is less than the standard I was taught of at least two paragraphs. After consulting with Onel, who is very experienced at new page patrol and AFD, he assessed the 3 sources I was unsure about as also not passing GNG
And we three are not not the only three users who thinks the subject is not notable. I was not the person who placed the notability tag. You can see the edit history. Regards Kichu🐘 Need any help? 15:50, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
- You the person who placed notability tag first check this. And you are doing all these intentionally now. ProudMallu (📨│📝) 16:45, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
- Reply to TheTechnician27: I would like you to show me atleast any two sources giving her significant coverage, so that I can withdraw this nom. Regards Kichu🐘 Need any help? 15:58, 20 March 2021 (UTC)