Talk:Zionism: Difference between revisions

Edit Request: "Non-Hasidic Haredi Jews are represented by Agudat Yisrael/UTJ"

In the section about Haredi Jews' relationship to Zionism, the article claims that Non-Hasidic/Lithuanian Haredi Jews are represented by "Agudat Yisrael/UTJ." This is incorrect. Agudat Yisrael is the party which is controlled by and represents Hasidic Jews, the Lithuanian party is known as Degel Hatorah. UTJ is the name of the political alliance that the Hasidic Agudat Yisrael and the Lithuanian Degel Hatorah parties have formed to prevent vote wasting in the Israeli elections. Neither Agudat Yisrael nor UTJ is the correct name of a party that represents Non-Hasidic Haredi/Lithuanian Jews, the correct name of the party is Degel Hatorah. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.127.10.195 (talk) 20:20, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 May 2021

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please change "However, other Zionists emphasized the memory, emotion and myth linking Jews to the Land of Israel." to "However, other early Zionist leaders emphasized that Jewish history; the Torah tenet that calls on the Jewish people to return to Zion; and the commandment to dwell in the Land of Israel, all irrevocably link Jews to the Land of Israel."

Location: Territories Considered

Explanation for proposed change: The connection of Jews to the Land of Israel is not and was not described by Zionist leaders as a "myth." The return to Zion, and the imperative to dwell in the biblical land of Israel are precepts enshrined in Jewish law.

"What's the Truth About . . . the Uganda Plan?". Jewish Action. Jewish Action. January 1, 2008. Retrieved May 3, 2021.

"Zionist Leaders-Chaim Weizman". Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs. October 11, 1999. Retrieved May 3, 2021.

Naor (January 1, 2002). "Zionism. The First 120 Years. Timeline, Articles, Documents, Glossary". Central Zionist Archives. The Jewish Agency for Israel, The Publishing House of The Zionist Library. Retrieved May 2, 2021.

Medoff, Rafael; Waxman, Chaim I (January 2, 2009). "The A to Z of Zionism" (PDF). The Scarecrow Press. Retrieved May 3, 2021.}

"The Mitzvah of Settling the Land of Israel". Peninei Halakha. April 5, 2001. Retrieved May 3, 2021.} Epavard (talk) 09:49, 3 May 2021 (UTC) Epavard (talk) 09:49, 3 May 2021 (UTC) 13:12, 4 May 2021 (UTC)Epavard (talk)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. This request is unintelligible. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:53, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

I changed it a bit since the source did not use "myth" as the edit implied. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 15:50, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

The Land of Israel being the Home of the Jews is the #1 Principle of Zionism

MODERATOR - "Canaan, the Land of Israel, the Holy Land, or the region of Palestine." The Land of Israel needs to be included in the opening paragraph. 2601:589:4801:5660:619D:1CD1:FA2B:BB8F (talk) 20:24, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

The Holy Land is essentially Israeli - see that article. Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:51, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 23 May 2021

Why is there no link between this very misleading article and the facts about the origins of Zionism laid out in this article? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism As a Jewish person, I find it very problematic that Wikipedia upholds the myth that Zionism represents all Jews or even Judaism at all. 74.57.164.141 (talk) 23:19, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

The article has an entire section on "Christian Zionism", which includes a link to that article. Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:49, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Are most modern day Jews or their ancestors indigenous to the Levant? The answer is no.

Regarding ... https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zionism&type=revision&diff=1024791953&oldid=1023078805

See ... http://www.biblaridion.info/video/ethnogenesis.pdf

See ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Eran_Elhaik

"... are Jews a race or not a race. Ostrer and his camp say Jews are a race, they are more homogenous than not, they are closely related, and they are mostly the descendants from the Ancient Hebrew in the Levant. Elhaik, Yardumian and Schurr say no, Jews are not a race, they are more heterogenous than not, they are not closely related, they are not mostly the descendants from the Ancient Hebrew in the Levant, but are mostly the descendants of converts to Judaism outside of the the Levant. Elhaik is a Zionist but is not biased in his research, he says his intention was not to disprove a connection to biblical Jews, but rather "to eliminate the racist underpinnings of anti-Semitism in Europe". Elhaik's paper was highly cited, it created a firestorm, many articles were written about it, because it threatens one of the justifications for Israel's right to exist in Palestine, DNA."

SteveBenassi (talk) 17:55, 24 May 2021 (UTC)