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:::So? [[WP:UNDUE]] applies. [[User:Krimuk2.0|Krimuk2.0]] ([[User talk:Krimuk2.0|talk]]) 12:20, 14 October 2022 (UTC) |
:::So? [[WP:UNDUE]] applies. [[User:Krimuk2.0|Krimuk2.0]] ([[User talk:Krimuk2.0|talk]]) 12:20, 14 October 2022 (UTC) |
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::::How? It has received significant coverage in the press, both in Canada and India. Also, his links with the Hindu nationalist ruling party and his boosting Hindu culture is not mentioned either in the article or in the lead. I will soon be adding both. The movie pages in general, and Bollywood in particular get easy passes because no one pays attention to the fluff. [[User:Fowler&fowler|<span style="color:#B8860B">Fowler&fowler</span>]][[User talk:Fowler&fowler|<span style="color:#708090">«Talk»</span>]] 12:29, 14 October 2022 (UTC) |
::::How? It has received significant coverage in the press, both in Canada and India. Also, his links with the Hindu nationalist ruling party and his boosting Hindu culture is not mentioned either in the article or in the lead. I will soon be adding both. The movie pages in general, and Bollywood in particular get easy passes because no one pays attention to the fluff. [[User:Fowler&fowler|<span style="color:#B8860B">Fowler&fowler</span>]][[User talk:Fowler&fowler|<span style="color:#708090">«Talk»</span>]] 12:29, 14 October 2022 (UTC) |
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:::::LOL. This isn't Twitter. Kindly take your battleground mentality there. [[User:Krimuk2.0|Krimuk2.0]] ([[User talk:Krimuk2.0|talk]]) 12:33, 14 October 2022 (UTC) |
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:Please also do not canvass. [[User:Fowler&fowler|<span style="color:#B8860B">Fowler&fowler</span>]][[User talk:Fowler&fowler|<span style="color:#708090">«Talk»</span>]] 12:18, 14 October 2022 (UTC) |
:Please also do not canvass. [[User:Fowler&fowler|<span style="color:#B8860B">Fowler&fowler</span>]][[User talk:Fowler&fowler|<span style="color:#708090">«Talk»</span>]] 12:18, 14 October 2022 (UTC) |
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::This isn't canvassing - Krimuk has been a contributor of this page and he's been invited to weigh in on the matter. [[User:Shshshsh|<span style="color:blue">'''''Shahid'''''</span>]] • <sup>''[[User talk:Shshshsh|<span style="color:teal">Talk</span><span style="color:black">'''2'''</span><span style="color:teal">me</span>]]''</sup> 12:22, 14 October 2022 (UTC) |
::This isn't canvassing - Krimuk has been a contributor of this page and he's been invited to weigh in on the matter. [[User:Shshshsh|<span style="color:blue">'''''Shahid'''''</span>]] • <sup>''[[User talk:Shshshsh|<span style="color:teal">Talk</span><span style="color:black">'''2'''</span><span style="color:teal">me</span>]]''</sup> 12:22, 14 October 2022 (UTC) |
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2604:3D09:678:400:E998:A415:A433:4DAD (talk) 20:39, 2 August 2022 (UTC) Akshay Kumar was born in New Delhi not Amritsar. He has mentioned and requested in so many interviews why Google and wikipedia shows that. Its a humble request to change it please. He is Hindu Punjabi, but he was born in New Delhi, Please change that.
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:43, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
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2604:3D09:678:400:D0A:E11F:6776:2388 (talk) 00:33, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
Akshay was born in New Delhi not Amritsar.
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:42, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
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I think most leads of film actors do have a first paragraph which is more about achievements, awards, and standing in the film industry; then a summary of the career; then the rest, like, in this case, citizenship. I agree that everything pertaining to his Canadian citizenship, which was well-researched by Fowler&fowler, should be given a paragraph of its own, but other than that everything is okay there. I spent quite some time halting the other user's attempts to turn to lead into journalistic fancruft. I think now it's more balanced, and if there's any problem with particular instances, let's discuss them. Shahid • Talk2me 11:38, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- There's repetition. Some awards are mentioned in the lead paragraph and again later; one of the national awards which is the "fourth-highest civilian honour" now no longer says that. There's way too much WP:BOOSTER. The WP:ONUS is on you too as the adding editor, not on my as the deleting. Please do not edit war. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 11:45, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- If you and the other editor don't dial down the hagiography in the lead, I will dial is down drastically tomorrow. It is not my job to come cleaning up after you. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 11:48, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Fowler&fowler: No one is edit warring. I've been a frequent contributor of this article for years now, and I spent time working on the lead. Maybe you should think about not edit warring yourself. I am inviting you to discuss. Let's fix those issues which we agree on, but the lead as it is, particularly the two paragraphs summarising his career are well written now. Shahid • Talk2me 11:49, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Please read WP:ONUS. It is not mine. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 11:52, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Like I said, if you don't dial down no matter how you rationalize your right to exaggerate, I will dial it down tomorrow. Last post here until tomorrow. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 11:53, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Fowler&fowler: Do as you wish, but please - do not use threats. Please read WP:EDIT WAR, by the way, it's not just restricted to full revert. No one owns the article, and your point of view does not hold more merit than others'. Shahid • Talk2me 11:57, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Fowler&fowler: Actually it is. The lead is a summary of the article now, and everything is properly sources. Give examples of "hagiography", I'll clean them up. I've just removed a part which gives him unnecessary "of the most..." credit. Shahid • Talk2me 11:54, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Please do not keep pinging me; otherwise, I will add you to my "silenced" list. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 11:56, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Your silenced list? Really? Shahid • Talk2me 11:57, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Please do not keep pinging me; otherwise, I will add you to my "silenced" list. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 11:56, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Like I said, if you don't dial down no matter how you rationalize your right to exaggerate, I will dial it down tomorrow. Last post here until tomorrow. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 11:53, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Please read WP:ONUS. It is not mine. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 11:52, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
Krimuk2.0: Since you've edited this page before - do you have an opinion or suggestions on the lead as it is now? Shahid • Talk2me 12:00, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Lead is much better now, for sure. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 12:04, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Btw, I still don't think his citizenship deserves an entire paragraph in the lead. One sentence should be enough. The quotes and explanation should be in the article body IMO. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 12:06, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- I disagree. It is a major point of contention, with him obviously prevaricating for many years. Wikipedia is the only reliable source here. Most people don't read beyond the lead. Besides, it has been in the article for a number of years. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 12:17, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- So? WP:UNDUE applies. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 12:20, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- How? It has received significant coverage in the press, both in Canada and India. Also, his links with the Hindu nationalist ruling party and his boosting Hindu culture is not mentioned either in the article or in the lead. I will soon be adding both. The movie pages in general, and Bollywood in particular get easy passes because no one pays attention to the fluff. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 12:29, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- LOL. This isn't Twitter. Kindly take your battleground mentality there. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 12:33, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- How? It has received significant coverage in the press, both in Canada and India. Also, his links with the Hindu nationalist ruling party and his boosting Hindu culture is not mentioned either in the article or in the lead. I will soon be adding both. The movie pages in general, and Bollywood in particular get easy passes because no one pays attention to the fluff. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 12:29, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- So? WP:UNDUE applies. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 12:20, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- I disagree. It is a major point of contention, with him obviously prevaricating for many years. Wikipedia is the only reliable source here. Most people don't read beyond the lead. Besides, it has been in the article for a number of years. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 12:17, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Please also do not canvass. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 12:18, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- This isn't canvassing - Krimuk has been a contributor of this page and he's been invited to weigh in on the matter. Shahid • Talk2me 12:22, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Krimuk2.0: Thank you for your edits and input Krimuk. I think so too. So we have a sort of consensus on the career part with your edits and point of view. As for citizenship, I'm not sure exactly how it should be presented - I think Akshay Kumar#Citizenship is a very good summary of his citizenship. So we have two points in need of solving:
- 1) As for the repetition of awards, it is quite common practice to give a summary of his awards in the first paragraph and specify them later in the lead.
- 2) This edit by Themodifie7, I completely disagree with. "one of the most successful..." is just puffery especially when him being one of the highest-paid actors is alredy mentioned. Shahid • Talk2me 12:20, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- Okay, thank you for cutting on the POV pushing. The last edit about acclaim should also be reverted. Agree? Shahid • Talk2me 12:24, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
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