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The result was keep. per WP:SNOW - these types of articles are almost never deleted immediately, and the votes already cast make clear this won't be an exception. Several votes cite WP:RAPID, a re-nomination should not occur until that is no longer relevant. (non-admin closure) power~enwiki (π, ν) 19:29, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

2018 Münster attack

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I doubt that this event turns out to be notable per WP:EVENT. Given that reporting so far indicates that a terrorist / extremist background is unlikely, and that the death toll is low in comparison to other similar attacks, a lasting effect and persistent coverage are improbable. This leaves us with a WP:NOTNEWS situation. A mention in Vehicle-ramming attack#List of non-terrorist incidents with one or two good sources should suffice. Sandstein 07:18, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. Nat965 (talk) 07:31, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. Nat965 (talk) 07:31, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. Nat965 (talk) 07:37, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Merge/Redirect to Vehicle-ramming attack#List of non-terrorist incidents. A tragedy for those involved, but there's no long lasting historical impact. This is Paul (talk) 10:57, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Agree to the merge. There is no terrorist intent reported, sounds like just some nutjob, forgotten in a couple of days. 50.111.41.216 (talk) 12:21, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Disagree, the incident was horrific and had a great effect in Germany and in German cities. A simple search on the internet would reveal its notoriety. --Mahmudmasri (talk) 11:41, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - per WP:RAPID. Front page international news (e.g. - it is main item on Reuters at the moment (shame on them - edging out the Syrian gas attack!), pictured side item on main in CNN (they are running with the gas attack as the main))). Too soon to speculate on continuing coverage and motivations (though there have been "extremist right" ties floating around - e.g. [1] The public broadcaster ZDF suggested he had links with far-right extremists, but said he was not known to be one himself.Icewhiz (talk) 12:02, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Obviously notable. Great media coverage. Social impact. Gabinho^>:) 12:08, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - per WP:RAPID--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 12:19, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: what is it with Germans and their deletion fantasies? This event is clearly relevant and notable. We have tons of articles like this in the English Wikipedia.--APS ^talk 12:59, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Reported articles in newspapers on the other side of the planet Washington Post: Van plows into crowd in northern German city of Münster, killing at least 2, and the reality that attacks on random stranger in public places resulting in multiple deaths tend to draw WP:SIGCOV and have impact (like the forest of bollards now springing up in German cities) make this one a keeper.E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:20, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: As this only happened yesterday it's no surprise it's still headline news. But what you have to ask yourself is, will it still be making the news next weekend? This is Paul (talk) 16:37, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

possibly not, but "still be making the news next weekend" is not the standard by which we gauge the notability of EVENTS such as the 2015 Graz attack, or December 2017 Melbourne car attack. The standard here is WP:NCRIME. Vehicle-ramming attacks in Germany are a recent phenomenon that have have been attracting ONGOING and SIGCOV. I support that this may change if they become routine, but - thank heaven - they are still very far from ROUTINE.E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:21, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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+The result was '''keep'''. per [[WP:SNOW]] - these types of articles are almost never deleted immediately, and the votes already cast make clear this won't be an exception.  Several votes cite [[WP:RAPID]], a re-nomination should not occur until that is no longer relevant. <small>[[Wikipedia:NACD|(non-admin closure)]]</small> [[User:power~enwiki|power~enwiki]] ([[User talk:Power~enwiki|<span style="color:#FA0;font-family:courier">π</span>]], [[Special:Contributions/Power~enwiki|<span style="font-family:courier">ν</span>]]) 19:29, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
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 *'''Comment''': As this only happened yesterday it's no surprise it's still headline news. But what you have to ask yourself is, will it still be making the news next weekend? [[User:This is Paul|This is Paul]] ([[User talk:This is Paul|talk]]) 16:37, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
 :*possibly not, but "still be making the news next weekend" is not the standard by which we gauge the notability of EVENTS such as the [[2015 Graz attack]], or [[December 2017 Melbourne car attack]].   The standard here is [[WP:NCRIME]].  [[Vehicle-ramming attack]]s in Germany are a recent phenomenon that have have been attracting ONGOING and SIGCOV.  I support that this may change if they become routine, but - thank heaven - they are still very far from ROUTINE.[[User:E.M.Gregory|E.M.Gregory]] ([[User talk:E.M.Gregory|talk]]) 17:21, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
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