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Total count of people is wrong

It says 331.4 million but the census contains non citizens as per US law the census has to contain all non citizens so it should be changed to 320.5 million

Infobox is not a good place for Religion

With the multiethnic, multiracial statistics of the United States, a country in which freedom of religion religion is a constitutional right, the infobox oversimplifies things. Especially terms like "Majority" "Minority". Religion should honestly be removed from the infobox, or at least actual numbers should be put in rather than just "Majority" and "Minority". Religion varies by ancestry and identity. It should only be in the Religion section of the article where it can be summed up in a few words Servite et contribuere (talk) 21:44, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Putting a notice on this talk page that there's an RFC at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject United States Mrfoogles (talk) 22:43, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the notice. More specific link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_United_States#Religion_in_InfoBox_of_article_Americans CAVincent (talk) 03:14, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RFC: Religion in InfoBox of article Americans

Moved from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject United States § Religion in InfoBox of article Americans

On the Americans article, I removed religion from the InfoBox, arguing that it oversimplifies it, especially terms like Majority, Minority and Traditionally oversimplify stuff. It was reverted. I am asking fellow editors, what should the article have?

keep religion in InfoBox as it already is
remove from InfoBox to focus on a section where we can provide more information on religion
Keep religion in InfoBox, but add precise numbers to the InfoBox
Move the sources information from the InfoBox to the section on religion
Something completely different.

Comment below Servite et contribuere (talk) 04:08, 18 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You should post this on Talk:Americans, I think, for visibility. Mrfoogles (talk) 22:27, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose B, maybe C, have an idea for E. As for B, no; a quick summary in the infobox is useful. C might be good, but do you have a proposal for how to fit all the numbers in a concise manner? I feel like that's going to be most of the opposition. Personally not being Christian, the numbers are ~65% Christian, ~30% unaffiliated, ~5% other. Maybe instead of Majority/Minority, have something like this?

(begin)

Christianity (64%)

Protestantism, Roman Catholicism, Mormonism and other denominations

Unaffiliated (29%)

Atheism, agnosticism, spirituality, (not sure exactly what to put here, probably someone knows more than me)

Other religions (7%)

Judaism, Buddhism, Islam, Hinduism, Sikhism, Native American religions and various others

(end)

It might break from format a bit, though, if we want to be consistent with other articles. But I think it would give you a good picture and wouldn't oversimplify. Mrfoogles (talk) 22:42, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support A, oppose B _pbp 00:04, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support A, Oppose B Simply saying that the US is majority Christian, with multiple minorities including variants of irreligion, is not particularly controversial, nor is it an oversimplification to simply present this in the infobox and discuss further in the appropriate section. Oppose C as too much precision for the infobox. Oppose D - is this supposed to mean something other than restating option B? Remove the references but otherwise leave it unchanged? CAVincent (talk) 03:25, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Just noting that when @Servite et contribuere moved this RFC to this talk page, my response was removed. No doubt this was inadvertent. CAVincent (talk) 04:12, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
CAVincent It was a total mistake. My bad. Didn't paste all of it properly. Even got me a bit confused too Servite et contribuere (talk) 04:24, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No worries. Thanks for moving the discussion over to here. I'd like to hear what other editors think about your proposal. CAVincent (talk) 08:31, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Also CAVincent, another point In my view of moving out of InfoBox for further information is that this article is not about Native Americans, British (English, Scottish and Welsh) Americans, Irish, German, African Americans descended from slaves, Italian, Croatian, Greek, Norwegian, Chinese, Indian, Pakistani, Sri Lankan, Hispanic and Latino, Mixed, Pacific Islander or any specific ethnicity. This is about All Americans. It varies by ethnicity. Second, the sources in the InfoBox don't appear to work in my country (Australia), so it might not be helpful to people outside the United States. Thank you Servite et contribuere (talk) 08:46, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support A We have this in other info boxes in this form. It seems resonable to have here. C would also be fine but I think there would be an ongoing debate about the actual numbers.Lukewarmbeer (talk) 12:30, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not all US Nationals are Citizens

In the opening paragraph it is stated that US federal law equates nationality with citizenship. This is not true as jus soli for American Samoan-born people only provides US nationality but not US citizenship. 2600:387:15:371A:0:0:0:8 (talk) 04:05, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The "US nationals" exception for American Samoa is addressed in the very next paragraph. The way the lead currently addresses the issue seems fine to me. CAVincent (talk) 05:10, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]