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No, that's not what the policy says. Old scholarship is unreliable because techniques and concepts themselves become obsolete.
And fair warning: if you go on any further insinuating me or other random editors whose choices you happened to not like are secretly conspiring against the Albanian people or whatever you're still going on about, I'm not going to deal with your inability to assume good faith, and preference to jump to ridiculous conclusions instead, and you really will have to go to either WP:ANI or WP:ArbCom if you want to get to the root of this 21st-century Hellenic cult you've made up. Remsense ‥ 论14:49, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We have some sourced critical coverage of this map from reliable modern secondary sources in our Ethnographic cartography of the Balkans in the late 19th and early 20th century article. It looks like this map has a reputation of being quite seriously flawed, even by the standards of its own time. And some of this, especially with regards to the topic of this article, the Arvanites, can indeed easily be discerned even by the non-expert eye. Boué shows the entire western half of the Greek mainland, all the way down the Gulf of Patras, as solidly Albanian, which is almost certainly wrong. Conversely, it shows only some small Albanian language islands in what everybody agrees to have been the Arvanite heartland around Attica and Boeotia – i.e. those parts of the Albanian settlement area that are really the main topic of this article. This can't be right. Without the contextualization of reliable modern sources, showing this particular map has very little value. Fut.Perf.☼15:34, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I will accept that Boué's map is exaggerated. On the other side the American ethnographic map of the Balkan Peninsula is obviously wrong as the Greeks had more population in Asia Minor. Nevertheless it's added in article without criticizing it because it serves a narrative. Would suggest removing that and add Sax's and Ravenstein's which are closer to reality. SolderUnion (talk) 16:22, 4 May 2025 (UTC)Blocked sockpuppet of User:HelenHIL. – Demetrios1993 (talk) 03:09, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
In what world is one bad piece of data an excuse for someone to tack on another? Again, please snap out of this mindset where you're competing against other entrenched interests. If you think another map is misleading or otherwise a poor choice, feel free to challenge it on the talk page or ask the editor who added it—but preferably not interrogating them as suspected members of a cabal as you were doing earlier. Remsense ‥ 论16:33, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have acknowledged that Boué's map seems to be exaggerated. Would like to suggest adding Sax's and Ravenstein's maps as both seem to be quite objective although in my opinion they fail show the Albanian population that was Hellenisazed by the Greek speaking orthodox church. From what I read the priests were blackmailing the Albanians not to speak Albanian because god will not hear their prayers. They could pray only in Greek... They have done the same in Macedonia... SolderUnion (talk) 17:25, 4 May 2025 (UTC)Blocked sockpuppet of User:HelenHIL. – Demetrios1993 (talk) 03:09, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Again, any reason we would prefer it over a more recent map? Are we going by literally any criteria other than "this boundary feels correct to me". Remsense ‥ 论20:44, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
