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Lead summary

(Re: Fragrant Peony and IP editor.) Per MOS:LEAD the lead is a summary of the article, and a large part of the history section concerns the periods before 969. Not only that, but any reliable history of Cairo begins at least as early as the foundation of Fustat; e.g. Abu-Lughod and Raymond's books, among other sources cited on this page. In fact, those historians explicitly say so. Just because the name "Cairo" originates with the Fatimid foundation does not mean the city as a whole began then. Summarizing the city's starting point as 969 is misleading both in terms of representing the article's content and in terms of what reliable sources present. Considering that the lead is not very long and the revised wording adds only about two sentences, I have a hard time seeing the justification for suddenly excluding basic information. No issues were raised when these revisions to the article and the lead were made two months ago. If it's a matter of wanting to be more concise, the same information can still be condensed in the lead without eliminating the basics. R Prazeres (talk) 23:22, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It isn't "exactly" right since Fustat itself wasn't even the oldest settlement, hence why the detailed settlements section is correct. Fragrant Peony (talk) 00:04, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't say it was literally the oldest, so I'm not sure what you're trying to say, since the current wording of the lead mentions the earlier settlements too, for that very reason. If it's of any relevance to this discussion, Fustat is indeed the most important early foundation which led to the development of the modern city; again, that's explicitly said by Abu-Lughod (1971, p. 7) and Raymond (1993, p. 13), already cited in text. R Prazeres (talk) 00:30, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Names

Can anyone please change the name from Cairo to Cairo, Egypt because there is another city it name is Cairo it’s better thing because maybe someone thinks that city is the same another one Lamise2006 (talk) 08:43, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If you're serious about that proposal then you will need to make Requested Move. However I seriously doubt that would gain any support since this is obviously the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. R Prazeres (talk) 08:53, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Flag

I see all over the place that the flag of cairo isn't the one used in on this page. Is it even official, or just some idiot made up the flag. Eehuiio (talk) 21:50, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

no i am from the residents i see the white flag but i see the blue one more more often like 95% of the flags are blue Ilovemycountry1 (talk) 00:36, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

we have two variations:

1-sky/normal blue background with the emblem in the middle

2- white background with the emblem in the middle

I never honestly saw the one with a circle and two colours Ilovemycountry1 (talk) 00:38, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Coptic name for Cairo

The Coptic name for Cairo should be added because it is an Egyptian city, and the Coptic language is used in churches in Egypt. In Egyptian colloquial Arabic, there are thousands of words of Coptic origin that we use daily in Egypt. Articles like "Luxor" and "Aswan" contain both the Coptic and Arabic names for the city. Even though "Aswan" is not an Arabic word, does this mean that the Arabic name for Aswan should be removed? @Remsense: Egyptiankeng (talk) 05:04, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Egyptiankeng. Please remember that the introduction serves only as a summary of the most important facts in the article. All other details are covered in the rest of the article. The purpose of providing any non-English name in this part of the article is for general knowledge about what the place is most commonly called by locals and it should not take up significant space (see guidelines at MOS:FOREIGNEQUIV). As nobody speaks Coptic natively today and as the vast majority of people in Cairo and Egypt speak Arabic, it should be fairly clear why it's useful to include the Arabic name here and not useful to include the name in a dead language, as Remsense already stated ([1]).

Note: I see that Snowstormofigorion recently removed the Coptic names from Aswan and Luxor already; as far as I'm concerned, this is also right, for the same reasons as above. Information about etymology, names in minority languages, etc should be covered in a separate section below the introduction, as it already is here. R Prazeres (talk) 19:23, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Copy-edit

@Snowstormfigorion: this wording is grammatically dubious if not ungrammatical altogether, but even if it wasn't, the word "instated" is so uncommon and unusual (certainly in this context) that most readers would not even understand it. The simple copy-edit I made preserves the exact same intended meaning as you edit but makes it readable ([2]). You have not explained what was wrong with it. Either way, the new statement cannot be left as is: please restore the copy-edit or use an alternative that does not compromise the readability of the article. If you don't like either of those options, then we'll restore the previous wording, which contained no errors anyways. R Prazeres (talk) 21:05, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sigh; come on, Prazeres. Does this really call for an entire discussion like this? I've changed the word back to "instructed" for now, the rest as mentioned in the edit summary is apt and should suffice. Snowstormfigorion (talk) 23:12, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The sighing is indeed warranted: if you don't want to waste my time explaining simple things to you, then think twice before automatically reverting a mere copy-edit without reason. I've fixed another grammar mistake in your latest edit, it looks fine now. (Technically, the new wording incorrectly reads as al-Mu'izz also picking the site of Cairo, but that can be fixed later.) R Prazeres (talk) 00:10, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Then kindly don't waste everyone else's with trivial matters like this; again, "in founding" is grammatically sound and correct, and as said above, the wording can stay for now. This really is an argument that doesn't need to exist. Snowstormfigorion (talk) 00:24, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Are you kidding me with this? In English, "Al-Mu'izz instructed Jawhar in founding a city" means that al-Mu'izz taught Jawhar how to found a city, not that he asked him to do so. You are not a native speaker of English and this is not your first writing/grammar error on Wikipedia: do not restore wording that other experienced editors are telling you is grammatically incorrect. I agree: this is an argument that doesn't need to exist, so don't make it. R Prazeres (talk) 00:33, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No, and it can hold both meanings; nevertheless, I've restored the wording to "establish" because frankly this is just annoying and I'm done with this. Snowstormfigorion (talk) 01:14, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]