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Fringe theories about Don Cossacks

Now the article claims that: "In modern view, Don Cossacks are descendants of both Slavic people and Khazars, which assimilated Goths, Alans, and possibly of Rugii, Roxolans, Alans and even Goths-Alans of the Black Sea Rus". This is an extraordinary level of fringe. The reference^[1] is given to a very controversial dissertation, however, in this dissertation the origin of the Don Cossacks is not considered at all. Any objection to the complete removal of this text?--Nicoljaus (talk) 08:27, 6 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Brodniks (steppedwellers), and Chervlenoyarians (residents of forts along the upper Don and Khoper rivers in the 12th century) are considered to be predecessors of Don Cossacks. " (G. I. El’chinova1, N. V. Kriventsova, S. S. Amelina, and R. A. Zinchenko. Medical Genetic Study of the Rostov Oblast Population: Changes in Reproductive Parameters with Time. Russian Journal of Genetics, Vol. 40, No. 11, 2004, pp. 1305–1307. Translated from Genetika, Vol. 40, No. 11, 2004, pp. 1576–1579.) This fact is supported by Viktor Shnirelman (The Fate of Empires and Eurasian Federalism: A Discussion between the Eurasianists and their Opponents in the 1920s, Inner Asia 3 (2001): 153–73), who mentions brodniks in passing.

"There are two main theories of the origin of Cossacks on the Don: autochthonous and migration. And despite the fact that the migration theory is supported by the majority of reputable historians, different variations of the autochthonous theory appeared throughout the existence of Don Cossacks even up to this time, having a great popularity among Cossacks themselves. These theories attempted to link the origin of Cossacks with the ethnic groups living in the Don steppes in different historical periods (with Alan-Jassy and Brodnici) or with the peoples of the Caucasus (Circassians), or with steppe Turkic speaking peoples. (....) Thus, the gene pool of Upper Don Cossacks (according to the data on Y chromosome STR markers) was formed mainly by the East Slavic component;among the steppe populations, only Nogais had a certain noticeable impact, and no influence of the peoples of the Caucasus was traced. These genetic results are in accordance with the migration theory of the origin of Cossacks, although they do not deny the possibility of a limited impact of the steppe populations represented by Nogais." (M. I. Chukhryaeva, I. O. Ivanov, S. A. Frolova, S. M. Koshel,O. M. Utevska, R. A. Skhalyakho, A. T. Agdzhoyan, b, Yu. V. Bogunova, E. V. Balanovska, and O. P. Balanovsky, The Haplomatch Program for Comparing Y Chromosome STRHaplotypes and Its Application to the Analysis of the Origin of Don Cossacks. ussian Journal of Genetics, 2016, Vol. 52, No. 5, pp. 521–529)

--Paul Siebert (talk) 18:28, 6 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I changed Cossaqs to Cossacks in the heading to accord with the spelling in the section's text. Mcljlm (talk) 03:42, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Радомский, Ярослав Леонидович (2015-09-27). "Archived copy" Диссертация на тему "Этнический состав Причерноморской Руси" автореферат по специальности ВАК 07.00.02 – Отечественная история | disserCat — электронная библиотека диссертаций и авторефератов, современная наука РФ. Dissercat.com. Archived from the original on 2015-10-04. Retrieved 2015-10-02.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: archived copy as title (link)

Repatriation after WWII

It would seem that information about the forced repatriation from the West made in secret deals under the Yalta Agreement should be included 64.136.215.230 (talk) 04:42, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This article seems to whitewash antisemitism

This article seems to systematically ignore or whitewash the history of antisemitism associated with the Cossacks. It seems odd that the article makes only two brief mentions of pogroms committed by Cossacks against Jewish communities, both of which are obscured and sandwiched between positive portrayals of Cossacks. 2A06:C701:9A25:2300:C049:540E:AC17:46CA (talk) 10:26, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's fine. Not every article of every european nationality, past or present, can have a detailed depiction on the antisemitism in that time. 125.237.30.118 (talk) 11:19, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's NOT fine. The Cossacks were virulently antisemitic, more so than many other groups. They were in large part responsible for the emigration of thousands of Jews from Russia to the West. Moreover, the pogroms, while not overtly sanctioned by the Tsarist state, were tolerated if not encouraged. To ignore these raids on Jewish communities or to minimize their effect is in itself an act of antisemitism which has no place in Wikipedia. 206.45.18.139 (talk) 03:21, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please present some reliable sources to back up your claims (WP:BURDEN). A09|(talk) 14:05, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Misrepresentation of Cossack as a social/ historical entity

Dear Wiki contributors, I clicked the article on Cossack out of curiosity as I was born and raised in Ukraine, visited sites where these “ warriors” used to live. The issue with this article… the VERY FIRST pictures which are supposed to portrait Cossacks are absolutely misguiding. Yes , there might be some “ descendants of Cossacks” in the US or some “ ancestors of Cossacks” among those marching through the Red Square. However, The first and second referred above are wearing Cossacks’ costumes, my dear fellows. Please do more research and remove these degrading images of “Cossacks” . Thank you 188.47.115.237 (talk) 23:07, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cossacks is people?

Good day, I am a user of ru. Wikipedia for me it seemed wild and untrue to call the Cossacks a people. In many sources and in the Russian Wiki it is indicated that the Cossacks are an estate (warriors), I did not find other articles related to the Cossacks. I think that it is more correct to call them an estate, and not a people. React dear Wikipedia users Artembabakov (talk) 12:27, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Радомский, Ярослав Леонидович (2015-09-27). "Archived copy" Диссертация на тему "Этнический состав Причерноморской Руси" автореферат по специальности ВАК 07.00.02 – Отечественная история | disserCat — электронная библиотека диссертаций и авторефератов, современная наука РФ. Dissercat.com. Archived from the original on 2015-10-04. Retrieved 2015-10-02.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: archived copy as title (link)

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