Talk:Dirini

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The result was: promoted by SL93 talk 00:27, 29 January 2025 (UTC)

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Table Mountain Beauty (Aeropetes tulbaghia)

• ... that the relationship between the Dirini (example pictured) and its closest relative has been described by researchers as "odd"?

• Source: "The only member of the genus Mantaria, Mantaria hercyna (= maculata), is confirmed to be the sister taxon to the Dirini. This is odd because the species is Neotropical, and it is estimated to have diverged from the Dirini at least 40 Ma, when South America was several thousand kilometres off the southern African coast" Price, Ben W.; Villet, Martin H.; Walton, Shaun M.; Barker, Nigel P. (April 2011). "Using molecules and morphology to infer the phylogenetic relationships and evolutionary history of the Dirini (Nymphalidae: Satyrinae), a tribe of butterflies endemic to Southern Africa". Systematic Entomology. 36 (2): 300–316. doi:10.1111/j.1365-3113.2010.00560.x. Retrieved 29 December 2024.

• ALT1: ... that the African Dirini (example pictured) diverged from its closest relative when South America was thousands of kilometres away from the African coast? Source: Same as above
• ALT2: ... that its closest relative of the African Dirini (example pictured) is from South America? Source: Same as above
• ALT3: ... that all but one member of the Dirini (example pictured) is found in South Africa and Lesotho? Source: "Amongst the African satyrine butterflies, the tribe Dirini Verity is distinctive for its remarkable degree of endemism. All 28 nominal species (Table 1) occur only in South Africa or Lesotho (Fig. 1), except one that extends into eastern Zimbabwe, even though the tribe is at least 25 million years old" Price, Ben W.; Villet, Martin H.; Walton, Shaun M.; Barker, Nigel P. (April 2011). "Using molecules and morphology to infer the phylogenetic relationships and evolutionary history of the Dirini (Nymphalidae: Satyrinae), a tribe of butterflies endemic to Southern Africa". Systematic Entomology. 36 (2): 300–316. doi:10.1111/j.1365-3113.2010.00560.x. Retrieved 29 December 2024.
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Sher Machado
• Comment: Thank you in advance to the reviewer for their time and hard work! I have three re-wordings of the same hook for ALT0-2, but if there is an alternative wording, I would be more than happy to hear it through! As a note: the source says "sister taxon" but I've used the more approachable wording "closest relative." The key point is that this entirely Southern African group's closest relative is from South America, and the divergence was when South America was quite far away from Africa when this happened.

Created by Ornithoptera (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 50 past nominations.

Ornithoptera (talk) 06:29, 9 January 2025 (UTC).

• Comment just wondering (for my own curiosity) if the Latin name needs to be in the brackets, if it's in the image caption? Lajmmoore (talk) 11:17, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

• Good question Lajmmoore, my line of thinking was that since the Dirini are a tribe of butterflies rather than a single species, I felt the need to specify the genus/species in the pictured term. Since, in my view, a simple "pictured" wouldn't make sense for a group of several genera. However, since most DYK nominations are for a single species rather than a higher level classification, I'm not sure if there is a precedent to work off of. Though, it may be a more elegant solution to just have the "pictured" and then retain the image caption. I'm not entirely sure. Ornithoptera (talk) 17:12, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Long enough, new enough. Image checks out (I believe the phrase you're looking for is "example pictured"). ALT0 is by far the most interesting hook and checks out AGF. Earwig picks up only WP:LIMITED phrases. One question before I promote; why does Dirini need to be capitalised?--Launchballer 17:09, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi Launchballer, thank you for the feedback. I'll adjust the hooks to say "example pictured." To answer your question, "Dirini" is a proper noun, the name for a tribe, and thus is capitalized. Per the Florida State University here (download link ahead), it is standard practice for the genus level and above to be capitalized. There is an alternative form of the names that are typically lowercase (frankly I'm not familiar with the proper grammatical term for this, but I am familiar with its usage, possibly lemma?) such as: amathusiine for Amathusiini and satyrine for Satyrini, but "dirine" for Dirini has been too few and far between (I think I saw a single source) for me to really use it. Ornithoptera (talk) 21:32, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Let's roll.--Launchballer 02:57, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

Two questions

I'm afraid i don't find the description as clear as it could be for two things: What is "a scaphium on the male genitalia"? Scaphium itself wlinks to a plant genus, which is surely not what's meant, and the disambig page doesn't really offer any insight to one who knows little about insects. Also, what is the forewing cell which is shorter than half the length of the forewing; i understand all the words, but the phrase doesn't convey any meaning to me. Thanks, in puzzlement ~ Lindsay^Hello 07:49, 7 February 2025 (UTC)