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A fact from FogCam appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 25 March 2025 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the FogCam is believed to be the world's longest-running public webcam?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2025/March. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/FogCam.

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GA review

Passed. E_F⁵ 15:47, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:FogCam/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Ca (talk · contribs) 09:31, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: EF5 (talk · contribs) 17:13, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I'll be reviewing this as part of GARC. :)

Prose:

, and the ground floor of the humanities building, and the library, Suggest rewording to ", the ground floor of the humanities building and the library,".

Done, shifted around the list order.

List of websites founded before 1995 is linked twice, once in the "Reception" section and again in the "See also" section

Since its a highly relevant article and the first instance is pretty hidden, I thought to link it twice.

Makes sense, thanks for clarifying. E_F⁵ 01:26, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'd recommend adding an infobox, but that is in no way required. Since the camera is not human controlled, would having an image produced by the webcam in the article (under PD-automated?) benefit readers? I'm genuinely asking, I don't usually write about technology.

In progress As for the image, I think the placement of the camera counts as creative input, so it's probably non-free. Ca ^{talk to me!} 01:28, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, you're probably right; it's always preferable to err on the safe side when it comes to copyright. E_F⁵ 01:29, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I inserted a screenshot. I don't think an infobox is necessary since the article is quite short.

Done Ca ^{talk to me!} 04:20, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

the road Tapia Drive Remove "the road".

Done

If "Journal of the New Media Caucus" doesn't even have an article, why is reception given by Vogel important/needs to be included?

The author has some crendentials behind her [1] and the journal is peer-reviewed and only publishes article on an invitational basis [2], so I believed the source to be reliable.

My concern isn't whether it's reliable, it's whether it's a significant-enough source to earn a mention in the article. It seems reliable, though, so it's fine either way. E_F⁵ 01:26, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

San Francisco State University is linked in the "History" section, but not the "operation" section.

Done

References

[1] - This does verify the information it is cited to, but it doesn't say that the webcam always catches SF's fog. As a result, "and San Francisco's common fog" in the article should be changed to "and occasionally San Francisco's common fog".

Done

[2] - This source is used a lot, but it seems to be good.
[5] - I don't see a "September 30, 1994" anywhere in the source.

The source says The webcam will celebrate its 25th birthday on Sept. 30. I assume that was its creation date. Ca ^{talk to me!} 01:12, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, okay. E_F⁵ 01:29, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sources [2], [3], [4], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10] and [11] all verify information (as well as all sourced being formatted correctly). A few fixes above and I'll be happy to pass. E_F⁵ 17:13, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I believe I fixed all the issues raised above. Ca ^{talk to me!} 07:13, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Sohom Datta talk 13:31, 17 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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... that FogCam, created in 1994 by two university students at San Francisco State University to document student life and the city's frequent fog, has become the world's longest-running webcam?

Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/02/us/san-francisco-fogcam.html

Reviewed:

Improved to Good Article status by Ca (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

🐝 B33 net 🐝 20:28, 12 March 2025 (UTC).[reply]

General eligibility:
New enough:
Long enough:
Other problems:

Policy compliance:

Adequate sourcing:
Neutral:
Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
Other problems:

Hook eligibility:

Cited:
Interesting:
Other problems:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Good job! Everything is fine, I just thought the current hook may be a bit mouthy, so propose this alternative:

ALT1: ... that the FogCam, which documents San Fransisco's fog, is believed to be the world's longest-running public webcam?

I also added some clarity to make the hook more faithful to the source, that it is believed to be the longest-running public webcam. Here's the OG hook with that change:

ALT2: ... that FogCam, created in 1994 by two university students at San Francisco State University to document student life and the city's frequent fog, is believed to be the world's longest-running public webcam?

@B33net: let me know what you think! jolielover♥talk 17:09, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Jolielover: I propose we do alt 2. We still need readers to know how and when it was created. I also propose we say when it became the longest running webcam, thats if it’s possible. 🐝 B33 net 🐝 8:09, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

As the creator of the article, I was thinking of something simpler. How about ALT3: ... that FogCam is the oldest webcam still operational?? Ca ^{talk to me!} 00:21, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Ca: @Jolielover: I feel we should go with Alt 3. I didn’t realize I created it to be so mouth-y. 🐝 B33 net 🐝 1:04, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

Alright, passing this nom. Here's another alt hook for more conciseness: ALT4... that the FogCam is believed to be the world's longest-running public webcam?

I think ALT1, 3 and 4 work fine, but up to discretion of the prep mover which one they find most adequate. jolielover♥talk 03:30, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Jolielover: Sorry for changing my decisions, but I think I’m comfortable with ALT 4. 🐝 B33 net 🐝 11:57, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]