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Fort Hood was renamed and now is named Fort Cavazos. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/fort-hood-drops-confederate-name-fort-cavazos-may-9-rcna76561 Cwater1 (talk) 14:50, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

yes I agree we should rename it. Death Editor 2 (talk) 15:46, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

thanks Cwater1 (talk) 12:47, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 14 May 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not Moved (non-admin closure) >>> Extorc.talk 10:19, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fort Cavazos → Fort Hood – Just like any other place that has been renamed, we should wait until the new name is more common than the old to use the new name. See Turkey (not Turkiye) for an example. DieOuTransvaal (talk) 23:15, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What makes you think that reliable sources will call it anything but Fort Cavazos from now on? This isn't an orthography change, it was renamed. We will keep the former name in the lede for some time to come. This is more like a ship or building name than a nation. Acroterion (talk) 23:56, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

See also WP:NAMECHANGES. -BRAINULATOR9 (TALK) 03:28, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Port Elizabeth article remained at that title for a year or so after the name change. I'm South African myself, and most of the people I know back home (I live in the US now) still call it Port Elizabeth, but the article is now at the new alphabet soup name because it has become more common, allegedly, I might try to get it moved back. The new name may become more common in a year or so, but the weight of tradition should preserve the original name until the new one is clearly dominant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DieOuTransvaal (talk • contribs) 08:10, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - technically there should've been some discussion first, but like... this is WP:POINTiness. The new name will take over. Red Slash 17:54, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

So then let's move it back to Fort Hood and have a discussion on if it should be moved. DieOuTransvaal (talk) 01:03, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per Red Slash. estar8806 (talk) ★ 20:20, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose – When the US Army high command gives an order to change the name of a base, to implement a statutory directive from Congress, passed by 2/3 majorities in both houses, overriding a presidential veto, I think it's pretty clear that the name is going to stick. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 22:22, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't realize that Wikipedia was the public relations branch of the US government. DieOuTransvaal (talk) 01:03, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Silly me. Here I thought that the US government has the power to name its own facilities. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 16:18, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

And the Turkish government has the power to rename its own country, but we don't follow along until it becomes more common. DieOuTransvaal (talk) 08:44, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose changing the name of the current article. We should, however, be careful to avoid retroactive name changes. I only mention this because it came up regarding Fort Benning/Moore. Historical references should probably continue to use the old name. Intothat darkness 13:54, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose notable sources use the name Fort Cavazos now. In @DieOuTransvaal's Turkey/Türkiye example, notable sources still use Turkey. For example, the US and UK governments still use Turkey as their preferred spellings, so do notable news companies like CNN, BBC, AP, etc in recent articles.

Meanwhile, recent articles refer to the base as Fort Cavazos. Fort Hood is only mentioned recently as in regards to the name change. See examples: [1][2][3]. Justafriendlykiwi (talk) 07:03, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Should this article have editing limited

I have noticed that this article has from time to time been what could be a mistake or could be vandalism with the name being messed with in some of the boxes. My wife and I just left this base and I did the best I could with editing some things and updating the names. But admin might want to lock this article and any other bases that have been recently renamed due to potential vandalism. Hope you all are doing well. Hughesjc91 (talk) 06:04, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Naming issue

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Fort Hood

The United States Army now officially refers to this Fort as Fort Hood. All official correspondence reflect this in addition to all Fort Hood social media accounts. Please edit to reflect this. 2600:1700:1D4D:7210:9869:7AB9:195:2B01 (talk) 18:56, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not done -- not a properly formatted edit request, not supported by accompanying citations, no indication that the U.S. Army now "officially" has done anything; and primary source social media correspondence is not a determining factor per our article naming policy. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 18:53, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Currently (as of the time I am posting this comment), the base's official page on the U.S. Army website still refers to the base as Fort Cavazos, and its URL for if the base was still called Fort Hood redirects to that page. Because of this, it may not be time to make changes yet. I will keep checking to see if the name change shows. 0ctopusKn1ght (talk) 23:09, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Now seeing that Wikipedia's guidelines prefer neutral secondary sources, I will consider adding a different, but still reliable, source besides the base's official website. 0ctopusKn1ght (talk) 23:31, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]