Talk:Gary Null/Archive 4
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Questionable?
Hi guys, I have seen the policies attached to the talk page. However, I still think that the article could use with toning down the more emotive language and vague assertions. I agree that Null is somewhere between a kook and a scam artist. However, we should strive to made the article have a neutral tone. The fact is that Null is opposed to the scientific consesus and promotes dangerous treatments, so we should just report these facts. I am sure you get all sorts of motivated editors who do not know WP policies here and it must be tiring. But I ask you to assume good faith. Ok, I think it is best to work from edit to edit. Putting 'questionable' in the lede line doesn't strike me as useful. It is not a word with a clear medical or scientific meaning. Would 'dietary supplements with no proven medical benefit' be better? Ashmoo (talk) 10:32, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
- It simply says the same thing in on word.Slatersteven (talk) 10:37, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
- Sorry, I cannot parse your sentence. Could you clarify what you mean? Ashmoo (talk) 17:34, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
- I think words like "questionable" and "fringe" should be avoided. Heleneht (talk) 22:45, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- "Questionable" is already a polite compromise. All words that could accurately replace "questionable" would be less kind. ApLundell (talk) 23:59, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
Rephrase for clarity
Hey guys
→he was speculated to have incurred the maximum revenues, in the history of the WBAI station, as it shut down in October 2019.[49]
This is not clear. Let's say he was speculated to have raised the most money for WBAI of any single person in its history.
Some other sources to include
Upon learning that the station had fallen far behind in delivering premiums from October’s drive because it couldn’t afford to pay for them, Hennelly pulled Null’s controversial show from the air to prevent the Federal Communications Commission from charging WBAI with fraud. https://www.politico.com/media/story/2014/02/the-crisis-at-wbai-001715/
The recent Dolores Perri incident https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-totally-preventable-death-of-dolores-perri-brooklyn-icon-and-gary-null-protege
This is some guy's blog post, can it be included? https://lbo-news.com/2011/03/07/wbai-fundraiser-snake-oil-sells/
I think I'm supposed to sign this thing so here you go Newsconsumer7 (talk) 17:45, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
he sued wikipedia and lost https://quackwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/33/quackwatch/casewatch/civil/null/wikipedia/amended_complaint.pdf he sued lee phillips and lost https://quackwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/33/quackwatch/casewatch/civil/null/phillips/dismissal.pdf he sued jzg and lost https://drive.google.com/file/d/13WKTFclqfZCrQTK7Y4wiOTedp7oQHXw6 94.175.228.196 (talk) 20:03, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
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- https://web.archive.org/web/20210422115125/https://prn.fm/wikipediawatch/
- https://web.archive.org/web/20210317041455/https://prn.fm/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Letter-to-Wikipedia-removal-of-Gary-Null-Biography.pdf
- .... 0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 07:14, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
- Quacks gonna quack. Those links are not reliable sources and cannot be used here. --Hob Gadling (talk) 08:07, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
Biography it is not
A biography should start with where the person was born, not an opinionated judgment like "Null is hostile to many facets of mainstream medicine..." 98.109.205.77 (talk) 17:09, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
- Why?Slatersteven (talk) 17:18, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
- The introduction should summarize the article. The current intro does that well. That said, the biography section could be expanded with more information on his early life, if that can be sourced. —C.Fred (talk) 18:17, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
- Sorry to tack on to an old discussion here, but IP has a point. The "biography" section actually contains little information that we usually find in biography sections, such as where and when he was born and any notable aspects of his personal life. It could be re-titled something like "career and advocacy", and perhaps the two paragraphs on his academic credentials could be its own subsection. It's a very long and kind of rambling section as it is. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 14:32, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
- The introduction should summarize the article. The current intro does that well. That said, the biography section could be expanded with more information on his early life, if that can be sourced. —C.Fred (talk) 18:17, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
The existing article is a disgrace full of personal animosity and vitriol
This is a character assassination piece from one of the many people who are threatened by alternative medicine for any number or reasons. Hard to believe Wikipedia allows such nonsense to be passed off as serious. The guy is a doctor, journalist, advocate, open to alternative theories. Why on earth does he trigger some people so much, I can't imagine any of his critics actually listened to what he preached, rather than just reflexively got riled up on fury. Anglia79 (talk) 09:23, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
- We go by what RS say. Slatersteven (talk) 12:29, 24 February 2024 (UTC)