Talk:Germanophile

German culture

I thought this topic concerned people of non-german origin with a particular interest in German culture. So how does it become a part of German culture? Rex 19:31, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Germanophiles attempt to mimic German culture. Ameise -- chat 19:43, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

I doubt that, but anyway how does this make this German culture? Rex 20:02, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

How can you doubt that? That is the basic definition of that, do you also doubt that pi is 3.141...? Ameise -- chat 01:20, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

sigh, this is splitting hairs. Germanophily is "delight in German culture", and as such not part of German culture in the narrow sense. It still makes sence to categorize it under German culture. What is wrong with doing so Rex? "Germany" isn't a terribly descripitive category, and by the same reasoning inapplicable, since Germanophiles are necessarily not part of Germany. dab (ᛏ) 07:33, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Well it just proves that this is a rather blurry area ... it just seemed strange as I don't think there are many German Germanophiles.;) Rex 08:42, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

I thought it meant the love for Germanic peoples. Is there another term for that? Please do not say nazism. Mallerd (talk) 15:02, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Well I'm a fanatical Germanophile, and damn proud of it!:=)

The "Verrification" Error box on top of page

I would like to suggest that the Etymology of the word "Germanophile" is verification alone for the pages content. I would classify myself as a Germanophile due to my overarching love for Deutscland. Also how do you verify an "Idea". This is like the "God" issue "God" is an Idea in the technical sense. So you can not find reliable sources with which to verify "God" to make an Atheist instantly a Baptist bible thumping person. Same for this "Idea" you capture what a Germanophile would be, and when people who would subscribe to the Germanophile ideology come along they can put in their "First Person" view of what a Germanophile is. Treat this like a religion, people will come along write what they believe, in order to educat others on what a Germanophile is.
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MKLPTR (talk) 10:02, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Tim Allen

Why is Tim Allen listed on this site? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.145.89.65 (talk) 11:13, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

because some people are idiots. Removed. Badgerpatrol (talk) 15:33, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

This begs the question- Germanic culture just for and about Germany?- I mean Austria, Liechtenstein and Switzerland and the South Tyrol are also part of the German speaking world / Germanic world. I think Teutonic was the term used before and now I suppose Germanic culture. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.82.11.240 (talk) 08:24, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Enver Pasha and German Relations

Enver Pasha's alliance with the German Empire during World War I has often led to the characterization of him as a Germanophile; however, several contemporary sources and documents suggest that his relationship with Germany was driven more by strategic considerations than ideological admiration.

According to a report by the Kölnische Zeitung, Enver Pasha aligned with Germany purely for the benefit of the Ottoman Empire, not out of cultural or political affinity. An Ottoman government document signed by Enver stated that, as per the Council of Ministers' decision dated July 27, 1914 (Hijri 1330), German Ambassador Baron von Wangenheim would not have the right to interfere in Ottoman military matters, and General Liman von Sanders would not have the right to interfere in political affairs.

Sociologist Max Weber noted that Enver Pasha "cannot be described as pro-German; above all, he was a Turk and a very good negotiator." Similarly, German General Hans von Seeckt commented that Enver acted in accordance with "national pride" when dealing with Germany, suggesting a cautious and self-interested approach to the alliance.

Other contemporary accounts also reflect Enver's critical stance toward Germany. Liman von Sanders himself noted in an Ottoman document that Enver Pasha told him he was not a Germanophile. Furthermore, Enver reportedly preferred German General August von Mackensen over Erich von Falkenhayn to lead Ottoman forces, and Mackensen’s appointment followed Enver's request.

Former President of Turkey İsmet İnönü also claimed that the Germans feared Enver and made efforts to appease him. In correspondence with Zeki Pasha, the Ottoman representative at German General Headquarters, Enver expressed surprise at Hindenburg's authority to send certain telegrams, asserting that the Ottomans had entered the war for the "freedom of their homeland" and continued the war solely for that purpose.

Enver Pasha also criticized German missionary activity in the Ottoman Empire and referred to Germans as "imperialists" in private remarks. He frequently asserted in telegrams and letters that he did not serve German interests.

Although Enver admired aspects of the German military, as did many Ottoman officers at the time, this did not necessarily indicate ideological alignment. The German Army was regarded as the strongest in Europe, and the admiration was often professional rather than political. While Enver sought to limit the influence of figures such as Liman von Sanders, the latter had arrived in the Ottoman Empire during the tenure of Mahmud Şevket Pasha, prior to Enver’s rise to power.

The broader claim that the Committee of Union and Progress (CUP) government entered the war solely due to a pro-German stance is contested. Historians argue that this interpretation relies on two flawed assumptions: first, that Germany was always intent on forming a military alliance with the Ottomans; and second, that the Entente powers offered a viable alternative alliance—neither of which is fully supported by the historical record.Selim beg (talk) 20:09, 26 November 2024 (UTC)