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A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on May 20, 2025.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the crew of HNLMS Java (pictured) struggled to access the sinking ship's life vests because these were locked away in a hard-to-reach compartment?

Yearbook of the Dutch navy (dutch)

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More information on this ship might be found in here (for those interested)

Jaarboek van de Koninklijke Nederlandsche Zeemagt/Jaarboek van de Koninklijke Marine

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Japanese torpedo spreads

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I've seen on a lot of these rewritten Dutch warship articles pertaining to the battle of the Java Sea that "the Japanese launched mass salvo of torpedoes, and only one hit, sinking HNLMS Kortenaer, This is despite the fact that - as elaborated by Captain Tameichi Hara in his autobiography - the Japanese launched their torpedoes in multiple smaller torpedo spreads. Early into the battle, the light cruiser Naka leading the destroyers Asagumo, Minegumo, Murasame, Harusame, Yūdachi, and Samidare, fired a spread of 43 torpedoes at 15,000 yards. Many of these torpedoes premature detonated and none hit. Later into the battle, the light cruiser Jintsū leading the destroyers Yukikaze, Tokitsukaze, Amatsukaze, Hatsukaze, Ushio, Sazanami, Yamakaze, and Kawakaze unloaded 70 torpedoes at 6,500 yards, and none hit again. However, this did cause the allied fleet to maneuver, which enabled Haguro to switch fire to HMS Exeter and cripple her with a pair of shell hits.

This is how we definitively know Haguro torpedoed and sank Kortenaer. Those collum fired their torpedoes quite a while before Kortenaer was torpedoed, Haguro is the only ship which matches. She fired torpedoes 15 minutes before the Dutch destroyer sank at 22,000 meters (Nachi didn't join in as she was suffering electrical issues at the time). Sources come from Combined fleet, Warship profile 22 Yukikaze, and a varietly of internet sources I'd need to look up (I'll fetch them up if asked) Micheal Harrens (talk) 04:36, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"The location, vector, and timing of the torpedo hit have led to a limited consensus that the torpedo, possibly aimed at the Houston, came from the Haguro, but the nature of mass torpedo attacks and the passing of time means the truth will likely never be known with certainty" - Page 289 of Rising Sun, Falling Skies: The Disastrous Java Sea Campaign. I was planning to add a footnote with a refrence from JAVA SEA 1942 Japan's conquest of the Netherlands East Indies to explain the disparity in sources, but websites such as Combined Fleet is an unreliable source on Wikipedia as it is self-sourced GGOTCC 10:09, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]