Talk:Hangul

Length mark

Long vowels were marked by a diacritic dot to the left of the syllable, but this was dropped in 1921. Why? Long vowels are supposedly still prescribed, cf. Korean_phonology#Loss_of_vowel_length_contrast. Was the loss of length actually underway already back then? 213.134.191.205 (talk) 02:09, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Article needs to be rewritten

Article needs to be rewritten from scratch; such an important topic and a comparatively poor article. At the very least it's probably mostly factually accurate and informative. How does it have so few sources while being so long? seefooddiet (talk) 01:15, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Hangul name and origin

This article should be titled "Korean Alphabet." Why is there such privilege given to the name "Hangul," especially considering its a name invented in the 1930s? Additionally, why was "Hangul" given preferential treatment in Unicode 1.0, occupying ~25% of the available space? It required 11,000 characters when only 60,000 were available for all writing systems worldwide!

There is too much Korean influence on the "Hangul" page, promoting it as the "best scientific script" in the world. Every scholar who attempts to explore the origins of "Hunminjeongeum" faces barriers from Korean nationalists. There is a lack of research on how Eonmun (real name) was established. Furthermore, the study of the relationship between "Hangul" and related scripts in the region is hindered by Korean patriotism.

Researchers are not very interested in the linguistic theories of phonetics used in the creation of Hangul. Many believe that acknowledging the influence of other writing systems on Hangul would undermine its value. Hwang Gwan, a Ming Confucian scholar, states that Hunminjeongeum, or Hangul, was influenced by the Mongolian Jayang script, or Phags-pa. Additionally, the theory of sound recording developed in the Vajrayana of ancient India was reportedly passed on to King Sejong by the great monk Hyegakjonja Shinmi. (信眉)

Hangul is not derived from Chinese characters, rather, it is based on ancient Mongolian letters. Sejong copied Hangul from Mongol Seal Script (蒙古篆字) and invented new letters, its documented in the Annals of the Joseon Dynasty.

Korean nationalists aim to globalize Hangul, promoting it as the number one script of the AI Age for the entire planet! Promoting Hangul is part of the Korean Wave, which erode local cultures and reflects the Korean superiority complex.

https://www.budreview.com/news/articleView.html?idxno=2148

https://www.korea.kr/news/policyNewsView.do?newsId=148921118

https://www.yoondesign-m.com/1094 Boodgme (talk) 21:29, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

WP:COMMONNAME on article title. If you can prove another title is more appropriate it can change. I don't recommend you try to infer "privilege" based on title choice; it's not something we consider or attempt to give to titles. No comment to Unicode, nothing to do with Wikipedia.

The rest of your comment forwards views that are basically universally considered fringe. It should not be accepted in this article. Per WP:NPOV and WP:RS, we forward widely accepted views. Also, you complain about nationalism but seems like you have your own chip on your shoulder about what you dislike. grapesurgeon (seefooddiet) (talk) 21:48, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

The korean alphabet is called 한글 (hangeul) in south, but 조선글 (Chosongul) in north. To name it hangul (witch is incorred!, its romanized: hangeul, according to own south korean romanization rules!). It should be called "Korean alphabet", to have a NEUTRAL point of view, not a American one! If it was south, it would be called: Hangeul (acording to your south korean romanization rules).

Hangul, is "popular" name, its WRONG romanized, acording to OFFICIAL romanization rule. (ㅡ is "eu", not "u" ㅜ). Hangul, would be: 한굴.

Its a privilege to be wrong and not even follow the CORRECT romanization! (RR) Using "Hangul" for 2 countries, completely ignores 26M Korean people. Is "hangul" better than Hangeul (correct) or Korean aphabet (neutral)? NO, and its wrong. Boodgme (talk) 22:20, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

WP:COMMONNAME. I already linked this policy. This is how the title of the article is determined. Instead of analyzing the situation on your own, follow the policy. You actually have a shot of getting the article renamed as long as the policy is followed. The rest of your analysis, especially the parts without sources, is functionally currently worthless. We rely on sources on Wikipedia. grapesurgeon (seefooddiet) (talk) 22:22, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

1. Script origin - You have the origin of "Hangul" page, and it dosn't have sources. Don't ask me when, not even your wikipedia page follows source, everything i've written in my post has source (despite only articles require source!).
2. 'Hangul' name - My source for korean alphabet name is South korean government, I gave you official source: HANGEUL

Boodgme (talk) 23:07, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

1. I don't like the article either and think it's poorly sourced; I complained about that above on this talk page. That doesn't give you free rein to ignore Wikipedia policies.

2. Official names can be overridden by WP:COMMONNAME. You would know that if you read that page, but of course you didn't. I linked it a third time, please read it grapesurgeon (seefooddiet) (talk) 23:11, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

Source of hangul is the 訓民正音 (Hunminjeongeum), writen in Chinese!, you can read it here:

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:조선어학회_훈민정음.pdf/3 Baboure (talk) 02:55, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

That's not really relevant to our conversation. What specifically is that a source for?

Tbh this conversation has been kinda erratic; if it continues being erratic I may stop responding. You're jumping from idea to idea without many specific comments on what you want to change about the article. I already addressed the point about the title. Do you have other specific things you want to change? grapesurgeon (seefooddiet) (talk) 03:17, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

Note that all the users that participated in this chat were blocked for sockpuppeting. Think we can safely ignore it; nothing much of value was said anyway grapesurgeon (seefooddiet) (talk) 05:36, 4 June 2025 (UTC)