Talk:Qatari connection affair

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"Responsibility of the Government of Israel for the October 7 Hamas-led attack on Israel"

This sentence is misleading, making it seem as if the Hamas attack was somehow carried out by the government of Israel. I think a better wording would be to say “responsibility of the Government of Israel for not defending against the October 7 Hamas-led attack on Israel”

The report does not implicate the government as the party responsible for the attack, it states that they did not do enough to stop the attack Lavipao (talk) 09:04, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I am not the Shin Bet. However, the government of Israel initiated the idea of moving Qatari money to Gaza. This money was used for the 7th October attack. Please see also here. _Dgw|Talk 10:27, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've re-worded that part a bit, please take a look. Alaexis_¿question? 06:48, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Guardian

Moved from Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents § Misleading edit summaries

– _Dgw|Talk 10:27, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to refer to these five "ce": 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
Here are my explanations a, b, c, to their edits.
They claimed that they in fact supported the Israeli oppostion (such it was written in their edit summary). Due to this editing, I am not sure of their statement.
Editings "4" and "5" of Totalstgamer repeated deleting a vital information, were not ce, and did not mean to streamline the article and provide a clearer, more neutral tone. Editing "4" deleted again the words which Yair Golan said about the dismissal of Ronen Bar due to avoid a comprehensive hostage deal, which would end the war in Gaza. Here I add that Bezalel Smotrich said that they would leave the coalition of the war ends. Golan is the chairman of his party: יו"ר מפלגת הדמוקרטים, but "4" changed again his status to the unclear word "leader". Leader can be also the head of his bureau. "4" also deleted "The closest advisors to Israeli Prime Minister" and replaced it with "several members of Benjamin Netanyahu's Office", although I wrote in "c": "They were the nearest advisors of Netanyahu, not just several members".
Nadav Argaman talked to Yonit Levi, but editing "4" deleted Levi, because she was a left-wing reporter.
Qatar was Hamas foreign ally, not just an ally like Iran or the Houthis. It was changed in editing "5" under the summary "more ce", but it was an edit war.
I did not revert "4" and "5" editings, because I did not want to be involved in an edit war. The speedy editings of "4" and "5" after the "c" editing, indicated that they were ready for additional edit wars.

It seemed that they did not intend to stream anything, but to make the article in favour of Netanyahu.

Therefore, I would suggest for Totalstgamer a WP:TBAN upon Qatari connection affair. Thank you, _Dgw|Talk 00:24, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I put a notice on the user page, and they did not respond. Netanyahu has a machine which includes [redacted], [redacted], [redacted], [redacted], [redacted], [redacted] and and others. I have a feeling that the user in question is not far from the machine, and it could not be accepted in the English Wikipedia. Therefore I was obliged to restore the correct version. _Dgw|Talk 13:14, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This seems to be an over-reaction. I see Totalst rearranging content, you reverting him and him adding it back in yesterday. At this point I think a healthy talk page discussion is best for both you, as this appears to be a content dispute.

The edits themselves don't seem malicious, and seem to fit the definition of a "rewrite".

"Netanyahu has a machine which includes [redacted], [redacted], [redacted], [redacted], [redacted], [redacted] and others. I have a feeling that the user in question is not far from the machine, and it could not be accepted in the English Wikipedia."

I suggest striking that statement. Accusing someone of canvassing of some sort based on "a feeling" may be considered to be casting WP:ASPERSIONS. Fantastic Mr. Fox 13:40, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There is an update from today, but I cannot touch the article any longer, because I am scared. The user has to use the article's talk page and reach a consensus for their deletions. _Dgw|Talk 13:50, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You did edit the article though around 1 hour ago [1]. Take the initiative to start the discussion on the talk page. Fantastic Mr. Fox 14:00, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I explained my last edit here and here.

You may also see this. I hope we will not have a new article like this. _Dgw|Talk 14:18, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Again, this report has the characteristics of a content dispute. Repeating for the third and final time: Start a talk page discussion before bringing this to ANI. Fantastic Mr. Fox 15:03, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies for not responding sooner, i had other things to do. I'll respond item by item

-On deleting vital information, my intention was not to do so. The ommission of the Golan excerpt was accidental in both instances, and the replacement of the term "chairman" with "leader" is mostly a matter of how i tend to write leader titles, and my intention was not to override you, i don't mind the use of either term

-On the references to the PM's employees, i re-added the word "senior" per your comment to clarify the matter, which i also mentioned in my edit summary specifically so we wouldn't start an edit war.

-The implication that i have any relationship to the Prime Minister is one i consider in bad faith, especially when you consider that i've been editing wikipedia for the better part of 4 years now, mostly on issues that have nothing to do with the PM's legal issues. I also don't appreciate being told what my personal views are in general.

-You can absolutely touch the article, i did not and will not make any effort to delete information, which i hope was clear to begin with. Id be interested in helping expand the article or forking some parts of it to Ronen Bar, which surprisingly includes no mention of his attempted removal

-Needless to say, i won't be reintroducing my copyedit a third time without a talk page discussion, as its frankly not worth the arguments. I suggest Dorian point out in the talk page the points of contention and we come up with agreeable phrasings. Totalstgamer (talk) 16:55, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The end of the moved text

The Guardian is a reliable source. Yesterday the police of Israel pushed Yair Golan, a MK of the opposition, into the street. Please see also here. _Dgw|Talk 10:38, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The guardian being a reliable source doesn't make it noteworthy nor does it mean the statement is properly attributed. I propose the following phrasing:

"Several outlets, including The Guardian, wrote that the dismissal would draw criticism and accusations of authoritarianism from the Government's critics.^[1]^[2]^[3]". Would strongly appreciate comments on this Totalstgamer (talk) 13:38, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest the text:

"Several media outlets wrote that the dismissal would prompt accusations against the Netanyahu government for authoritarian behavior.[1][2][3] On 21 March 2025 the high court in Israel issued an injunction to prevent the dismissal".^[2]

^ Burke, Jason (2025-03-16). "Netanyahu says he will seek to dismiss head of Israel's internal security service". The Guardian. Retrieved 2025-03-17. Prime minister's move against Shin Bet's Ronen Bar will prompt further accusations of authoritarianism
^ ^a ^b "Ronen Bar: Israel's Supreme Court freezes PM's order to sack security chief". www.bbc.com. 2025-03-21. Retrieved 2025-03-21.
^ "Netanyahu's push to fire Israel's domestic security chief sparks an uproar". AP News. 2025-03-17. Retrieved 2025-03-21.

_Dgw|Talk 14:26, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Well two out of the outlets mention criticism rather than an increase in criticism. Maybe

I suggest the text:

"Several outlets wrote that the dismissal would further increase the accusations against the Netanyahu government for the alleged attempt to establish an authoritarianism in Israel.[1][2][3] On 21 March 2025 the high court in Israel issued an injunction to prevent the dismissal".[2]

Also, this should probably be partially forked to Ronen Bar Totalstgamer (talk) 14:47, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The article about Ronen Bar is not related here. Borgenland has already updated there. _Dgw|Talk 15:28, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't have to be related to be mentioned. Plus, the edit wasn't there when i wrote that. As for the proposed phrasing, what do you think? Totalstgamer (talk) 17:16, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest the text in the light blue box. If you wish another text, you have to reach a consensus in this talk page. _Dgw|Talk 17:24, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

~~Yes, that's why i brought it up here, in the talk page, instead of just making the changes unilaterally. Do you disagree with the revised version i proposed?~~

Also, just noticed a typo, it was meant to be

[REDACTED]]

Totalstgamer (talk) 22:48, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The formatting on this thread is a bit weird, the light blue is a slightly modified version of my proposed revision which kind of threw me off. I'd agree to the light blue phrasing if we replaced "news media" with "media outlets" or "news outlets" since that just sounds better imo Totalstgamer (talk) 22:54, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

After "the high court in Israel issued an injunction to prevent the dismissal", I suggest the text: "Urich and Feldstein were investigated by the police.<ref>{{Cite web |author=ToI Staff |date=2025-03-22 |title=Suspects detained by police in 'Qatargate' probe named as PM aides Urich and Feldstein |url=https://www.timesofisrael.com/suspects-detained-by-police-in-qatargate-probe-named-as-pm-aides-urich-and-feldstein/ |access-date=2025-03-22 |website=The Times of Israel}}</ref>" _Dgw|Talk 07:56, 22 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, but the injunction + investigation should be split into a separate paragraph. Totalstgamer (talk) 10:14, 22 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Image

Please see it and it. In August 2012 I made a sign for my friend. I saw also Reuven Rivlin, who came to talk with him. I have three images and a video of their talk, which I took.
The sign disappeared. _Dgw|Talk 16:54, 22 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I don't still don't see a reason for the image to be rolled back to the Doha skyline one, but I respect that decision. אקסינו (talk) 22:43, 22 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that you have included images in the article. If you want to replace the template image, I also agree. _Dgw|Talk 01:04, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Copy editing

Due to these copy editings: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, I did not figure out ignoring these edits: A: Removal of the both author names, Removal of the trans-title translation, replacing Walla with "וואלה". B: No author name, No trans-title, No language ("He"), "www.israelhayom.co.il" instead of Israel Hayom. Please see also my comment here.
Due to this editing, I wonder if IBAN is needed. _Dgw|Talk 17:30, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What exactly is your problem with the mentioned edits? IBAN is a bit drastic. David O. Johnson (talk) 22:09, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't entirely understand which of these edits are the issue but I concurr with David. אסקינו's changes seem a bit weird (Walla should be written Walla and translated titles should be kept) but it seems to me like you had a good faith discussion on article structure. Please stop threatening to ban people over good-faith disputes, its unproductive and quite frustrating. Totalstgamer (talk) 10:18, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reordering?

It seems to me that most of the Background section belongs more properly in the Events section, since it goes over the "meat" of the affair, so to speak. Thoughts? David O. Johnson (talk) 04:31, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request 27 May 2025

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Description of suggested change: Link usage of Likud to the article for the Likud party "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Likud"

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PraxisTheSchemingAdvisor (talk) 08:25, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Done Lova Falk (talk) 13:26, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Burke, Jason (2025-03-16). "Netanyahu says he will seek to dismiss head of Israel's internal security service". The Guardian. Retrieved 2025-03-17. Prime minister's move against Shin Bet's Ronen Bar will prompt further accusations of authoritarianism

[BBC-2] "Ronen Bar: Israel's Supreme Court freezes PM's order to sack security chief". www.bbc.com. 2025-03-21. Retrieved 2025-03-21.

[3] "Netanyahu's push to fire Israel's domestic security chief sparks an uproar". AP News. 2025-03-17. Retrieved 2025-03-21.

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