User:CycoMa2/research notes

This page helps me document some personal notes and analyzation on sources.

Cadotte Family

This discussion is a way for CycoMa to discuss with other contributors, document sources, and give myself personal notes.

If any contributor is interested in helping me out this and discuss come here.CycoMa2 (talk) 22:42, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

Everything underlined is what I worked on. If it isn't underlined. It isn't mine.CycoMa2 (talk) 23:58, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

Another thing I am currently going in depth on many of his relatives because someone is probably gonna call me out for making articles on non-notable historical figures.CycoMa2 (talk) 16:58, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

Also many reliable sources mention his relatives a lot and how they are relative.

It’s also important to mention his relatives to help readers understand why he is of Ojibwe, Wendat and French-Canadian descent.CycoMa2 (talk) 23:09, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

I might need to see if I can find any sources from any non-Americans.

There has to be a ton of French or English historians on this. There has to be some Ojibwe historians on this. I gotta see if there are any historians from another tribes that have nothing to do with the Ojibwe, there has to be sources out there from other indigenous ethnic groups.

Basically I feel I need sources from scholars or historians who aren’t heavily associated with white American culture. I am aware of all the nuances and controversies around claiming Native American ancestry in the United States.CycoMa2 (talk) 18:29, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

List of potential sources

This is where I have a list of potential sources. This here is basically a way for me to take notes on these sources.CycoMa2 (talk) 22:46, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

Cadotte Family Stories

The source is reliable

Cadotte Family Stories.

(I am commenting this on my phone.)

I found this book.

I know this book reliable for numerous reasons.

I have seen it been cited as a source by individuals like John P Dulong.

The book is many libraries at universities.

The issue is that I know with 100% certainty I am connected to Cadotte and his family. My surname is literally in the book, and it literally talks about my dad’s grandmother. I never met my dad’s grandma, I was born in the early 2000s and she died in the 1990s.

So yes it’s true I do have family connections to this, which is why I had to declare COI.CycoMa2 (talk) 16:39, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

Personally I don’t like citing sources this old. I prefer to cite sources that are no more than 10 years old.

But what makes me think this source still has a good amount of reliability is that it has information that lines up with sources published decades later. For example, the information it has about a certain individual who died in the 1930s lines up with a history book that was published in 2001.

I also know that my family members have little connection to the creation of this 1974 book. My dad would have been a child at the time and I don’t think my grandfather would have been in Wisconsin at the time.CycoMa2 (talk) 16:46, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

The book doesn’t mention the name of my dad, grandfather, aunt, or grandmother.

But it does directly mention the name of my dad’s grandmother.CycoMa2 (talk) 16:48, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

Y’all gotta keep in mind my grandfather died when I was little kid. I don’t remember if he even told me any stories about all of this.

I never even met my dad’s sister.

For the sake of the project, it’s probably best I don’t too much.CycoMa2 (talk) 16:54, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

It could be possible some other relatives from my dad’s side where involved in the creation of this book.

But it’s hard to confirm this or not because I don’t have access to the book.CycoMa2 (talk) 20:18, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

The source has been cite here, here (The source calls it a Published Works: Local Histories), and here. CycoMa2 (talk) 18:15, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

Here is some relevant links to this source.

This

Stuff about the author. He appears to be a legit historian. Then again he also has connections with the military as well. More stuff about this author.

The source is mentioned in this book. This book resides in the library of my own university.

Just giving y'all as much information as I can.CycoMa2 (talk) 17:24, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

The issue is that I don’t have access to the book. And I don’t know where to get it.CycoMa2 (talk) 18:19, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

It appears that historians or some people who have no relationship to my family did indeed connect my dad’s family to Michel Cadotte.

This is probably the biggest reason why I had to declare COI to y’all.

I will just have to see where this rabbit hole goes. Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised that this is all just some big misunderstanding or propaganda.

My last name is German. Both of my dad’s parents also have German last names. I also know that both of my dad’s parent’s descended from Scandinavian Americans and German Americans. They came from the German empire to be exact.

My dad’s family is also a military family. Or this could be a way to fill us with nationalistic pride of some kind.

This whole Native American ancestry could all just be some propaganda my great-grandparents started to disassociate themselves from their German origins. I know these individuals were alive during both world wars including my grandparents.

But then again I am aware white passing Native Americans exist. I also don’t seem to recall my dad’s family having much to do with German culture. His family is catholic, I do remember both of my grandparents having Catholic funerals. I do know that catholicism isn’t really a Scandinavian thing or a Northern German thing. Catholicism is more of southern German thing, can’t say there is evidence of southern German in my family.

My dad took a DNA test and it says he has Polish in him, I know Poland has strong connections to the Catholic Church.(Poland at the time was part of the German empire before World War 1.) The test didn’t confirm native ancestry, but I am aware that DNA tests do have a few problems especially with a few ethnic groups.

Look y’all I am just trying to give y’all as much information as I can.CycoMa2 (talk) 16:08, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Just giving y’all as much information as I can.

I personally don’t like basing Wikipedia research or arguments based solely on what a contributor said. I prefer to rely on what sources said.

Look y’all I am trying to take the topic of this article seriously. It’s about a racial minority in the United Stated, I have to take care of it.CycoMa2 (talk) 18:37, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

Just some more stuff here to verify reliability.

This.

The book was used as source for this book.

Used as a source here.

CycoMa2 (talk) 04:30, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

Can’t seem to see it on Google scholar.CycoMa2 (talk) 04:32, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

There is this. Dictionary of Canadian Biography.

CycoMa2 (talk) 04:39, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

Just throwing as much stuff as I can.CycoMa2 (talk) 04:39, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

Update on the search for this book. Unfortunately I don’t have access to the whole book right now. However, the good news is I do have the family tree that is located on page 72.

I am gonna only use page 72 of the book for now. I will add more will I get full access to the book.

CycoMa2 (talk) 18:47, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

My dad mailed me the family and I know that the family tree he mailed me in present in the book Cadotte Family Stories.

I will send you the original family tree as proof if you it.

Next week I have spring break and might go to Wisconsin to see this book.CycoMa2 (talk) 19:06, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

The Cadottes: A Fur Trade Family on Lake Superior

The source is reliable

Link to book. CycoMa2 (talk) 22:54, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

Link to book review.CycoMa2 (talk) 23:00, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

Information about the author of this review.CycoMa2 (talk) 17:28, 7 February 2025 (UTC)

More information about the person who written this review.CycoMa2 (talk) 17:31, 7 February 2025 (UTC)

Here is something. So apparently the author did indeed work with a historian.CycoMa2 (talk) 17:46, 7 February 2025 (UTC)

Let me check who this historian is again.CycoMa2 (talk) 19:14, 7 February 2025 (UTC)

Another link.CycoMa2 (talk) 23:25, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

The author of this review is this guy.CycoMa2 (talk) 17:23, 7 February 2025 (UTC)

More information about the author of this review. He has a article about him on the German Wikipedia.CycoMa2 (talk) 17:26, 7 February 2025 (UTC)

The author written this. It’s on JSTOR.CycoMa2 (talk) 17:47, 7 February 2025 (UTC)

The book is on Google Scholar.CycoMa2 (talk) 17:52, 7 February 2025 (UTC)

It was only used as a citation once.CycoMa2 (talk) 17:53, 7 February 2025 (UTC)

This book is present at many places. Including universities here in Missouri. Including University Of Missouri in Kansas City.CycoMa2 (talk) 17:58, 7 February 2025 (UTC)

Third book review. Finally access to this bitch lol.CycoMa2 (talk) 20:47, 7 February 2025 (UTC)

By the way the publisher for the book is Wisconsin Historical Society.CycoMa2 (talk) 20:04, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

You know what I think I have analyzed this enough. The source is clearly reliable. The main issue is that I prefer sources from historians. The author does write about history but he is mainly a journalist. But I have seen many articles cite journalists as sources for history on wikipedia.

I am probably gonna say according to Robert Silbernagel. I just want this updated article to be high quality.CycoMa2 (talk) 20:08, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

The Fur Trade Revisited: Selected Papers of the Sixth North American Fur Trade Conference, Mackinac Island, Michigan, 1991

Link to source here.CycoMa2 (talk) 19:49, 7 February 2025 (UTC)