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Question re:AE Word Limit[edit]

I thought the word limit applied only to requests - if it also replies to comments to, where is that expressed? Should it be added to the "statement by" line (limit 500 words)? LegalSmeagolian (talk) 14:38, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi LS. Right underneath the Discussion concerning Salmoonlight|Discussion concerning Salmoonlight heading it says

Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.

Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 14:41, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks I'll go trim! LegalSmeagolian (talk) 14:43, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also, while I have you online, to go off of Sameboats question at AE - while violations of WP:NPOV and WP:OR are not always vandalism, they can be if they are done maliciously and not as good faith efforts to improve Wikipedia, is that right? LegalSmeagolian (talk) 15:24, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, they can be. Some of the NPOV/OR-style vandalism can live in a grey area. Since the requirement for a 1RR exception is "obvious vandalism", it would be better to steer clear of the grey areas and handle such edits in a way other than multiple reverts (post at a content noticeboard, post at a conduct noticeboard, etc.). Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:31, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Cameron.B27 (15:58, 7 March 2024)[edit]

How do I add an image that i have on my photos to a page? --Cameron.B27 (talk) 15:58, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Cameron.B27. If you have a photo that you took yourself, and if the contents of the photo do not infringe on anyone else's copyright, you should upload it at Commons:Special:UploadWizard. You can then insert it into an article here following the guidance at Help:Pictures. Let me know if you have any questions about the specifics of this process. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:13, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question[edit]

Hello Firefangledfeathers. I know you advised me not to make an AE thread for awhile (and this probably doesn't need the entire process anyway), so what would be the best thing to do about an warring account that violated the WP:GA/AA restriction[1] after being notified about it?[2] KhndzorUtogh (talk) 22:19, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'll be able to look into that in a few hours and I'll get back to you. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 22:57, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I gave them a final warning, and reverted their prohibited edit. Ping me if you see them breach the restriction again. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 02:32, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

February 2024 WikiProject Unreferenced articles backlog drive – award[edit]

Citation Barnstar

This award is given in recognition to Firefangledfeathers for collecting 25 points during the WikiProject Unreferenced articles's FEB24 backlog drive. Your contributions played a crucial role in sourcing 14,300 unsourced articles during the drive. Thank you so much for participating and helping to reduce the backlog! – – DreamRimmer (talk) 18:25, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for coordinating! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 18:58, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Dangels1234 on User:Dangels1234 (05:47, 9 March 2024)[edit]

Hello How do your edit --Dangels1234 (talk) 05:47, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Dangels1234, and welcome to Wikipedia. You may want to start off with some of the newcomer tasks, which give you some guidance on how to edit. I've also put a welcome message on your user talk page with some helpful links you may want to read, including Help:Introduction. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 21:39, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Starixxgamerrix (21:11, 10 March 2024)[edit]

Hi, firefangledfeathers, I just have a question, how do you do tables on your Wikipedia user page because I want to organize my templates that I used for my user page and I used userboxes but It seems that a lot of them don't work except for one that did work. So I wanted to take a different approach by adding tables but I don't know how, so can you help? Thanks! --Starixxgamerrix (talk) 21:11, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Starixxgamerrix! The place to look for guidance on tables is Help:Table. It's a big subject, and I can help if I know more about what you're trying to accomplish. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 22:08, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok I go do that, Thank you! :) Starixxgamerrix (talk) 22:09, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Johnstantine-hellblazering (16:41, 14 March 2024)[edit]

Hi I am new to this, I hate seeing typos in names, and wrong info.so I made an account, How do you change pictures? I hate when people use bad pictures when there's obviously a better one that they could use. --Johnstantine-hellblazering (talk) 16:41, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Johnstantine-hellblazering, and welcome to Wikipedia! I like your username. We have a lot of typos that need fixing, so I'm glad to have you joining us. The hardest thing when it comes to images is licensing. I'm oversimplifying, but we can basically only use images that are:
  1. Freely released under a license that is compatible with the project (this is a link to a policy at Commons, the main place we store such images)
  2. In the public domain
  3. Compatible with our non-free content criteria
Our image use policy goes into more specifics, and I'd be happy answer any follow-up questions. If you find a usable image that is better than what's currently in an article, the guidance for how to add it to the article is at Help:Pictures. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:59, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Re-opening RfC[edit]

FFF, is it acceptable to reopen the Murray RfC? I replied to your comment in the thread. I will take your advice regarding pings. As I said on the talk page, when I first made the change I noted the change in the RfC (see the comment location [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Douglas_Murray_(author)&diff=prev&oldid=1212566975#Request_for_Comment.) I've seen that done in the past when people try to clarify a RfC or add options. Of course they may have also pinged the editor on a user talk page. Thanks Springee (talk) 01:43, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I know you commented, and I didn't see a lack of a ping as some great sin, just a missed chance at avoiding some misunderstanding. TBH, I very nearly re-opened it myself, but this isn't a hyper-pressing issue. If FZ won't do it, I'll probably post at AN and see if an uninvolved admin will do the honors. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:46, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question from DeeTsameret (08:26, 15 March 2024)[edit]

Hi! Are you allowed to put in links from other languages? I am editing Rehovot, and most of the source material is in Hebrew --DeeTsameret (talk) 08:26, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi DeeTsameret! Hebrew sources are welcome here. Per Wikipedia:Verifiability#Non-English sources, we prefer English sources when they're available and equally reliable. But there are definitely times when the best available source is not in English, and we strongly prefer to cite the best sources. Please be responsive to requests for translation, and if the content is controversial, you may want to proactively include a quote in the citation template.
There's a chance you're asking about linking to Wikipedia articles from other language projects. Those are also allowed, when there is no corresponding article on the English Wikipedia. MOS:IWL has info on how to do so. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 11:55, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, thanks for your complete answer. The Hebrew source is from the Rehovot archive, so is unfortunately not available in English, but can translate anything relevant if requested. DeeTsameret (talk) 18:42, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

¡Una barnstar para ti![edit]

La insignia de Administrador
Your contributions help a lot 12Reaven12 (talk) 09:47, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
¡Gracias! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 11:58, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question from DLG57 (23:46, 17 March 2024)[edit]

Hi Mentor! I made a change in Wiki (Mike Rinder) and changed from "co-founded" to "joined". This has been an ongoing issue since Nov 2023 and multiple people have tried to correct it. How do I make a citation (even though others have already provided)? I can provide screen shots from the foundations website, but not sure how to provide it to Wiki for confirmation.

Thanks in advance for your assistance.

DG --DLG57 (talk) 23:46, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi DLG57. It looks like you already found your way to Talk:Mike Rinder and are discussing the change with another editor. I hope you two are able to reach consensus on the best way forward. If you try for a while and the discussion is deadlocked, you should consider WP:Dispute resolution, such as seeking out a third opinion. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:28, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question from DeeTsameret (16:25, 20 March 2024)[edit]

Hi, I am still working on "Rehovot". In the first paragraph, it says: Rehovot (Hebrew: רְחוֹבוֹת Reḥōvōt [ʁeχoˈvot] / [ʁeˈχovot]) is a city in the Central District of Israel, about 20 kilometers (12 miles) south of Tel Aviv. In 2021 it had a population of 147,878.[1] But there is updated information for 2022, as appears in the table on the right. How can this be updated in the opening text? It won't allow me to make the changes. --DeeTsameret (talk) 16:25, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi DeeTsameret. It's hard to help without knowing more about what's stopping you from making your desired changes. Is it that there's no "Edit source" button by the lead section. If so, there's advice here about what to do. If you're coming across some other warning/message/popup when you try to edit, could you paste it here? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:29, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Israel populations - I am being sent to this template when I want to change the date to 2022.
When I click on the link to where they get the information from - https://www.cbs.gov.il/en/settlements/Pages/default.aspx?mode=Yeshuv I get the 2022 information, but I cannot update the first paragraph from 2021-2022, even though the table on the same entry is updated DeeTsameret (talk) 16:35, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for clarifying, DeeTsameret. I started a discussion at the relevant template talk page and pinged the editor who has been maintaining it. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:40, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! DeeTsameret (talk) 16:49, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Banning procedures[edit]

It is pretty clear in normal word to list the reasons for ban isn' t it? There were some complaints about me and it was kind of arbitration so i should know what finally was a reason for ban? it is very mysterious procedure. instead of giving clear evidence of wrongdoing it is all based that it breaches policy x or y. When i look in such policy it starts clear that the one who complains oneself breaches same policy . If you ban you must list exact reasons for ban.( in normal world of course). My students are very interested in case. Currently it 41-0 against English Wikipedia but maybe your explanation will help. I also hope that this text will be not a reason for ban. i see that it is a sport on this Wikipedia to invite someone to discuss and afterwards quickly ban for doing so. Jarek19800 (talk) 23:09, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Non-administrator comment -- @Jarek19800: I saw this and wanted to do a quick message related to your question, which might answer some of your questions and Firefangledfeathers can answer the rest. So you were not truly "banned". You are still able to edit Wikipedia. What you received is called a topic ban. In this case, a topic ban from editing within the realm of Eastern Europe. The topic ban is "broadly constructed", which means the "ban" affects non-direct articles. An example of how "broadly constructed" works: Say you are topic banned from US politics. Hurricane Katrina itself is not an article about US politics, however, certain parts of the article intersect with it, like the Government response section. So you could edit part of the article (things that no one would think are politics like how much rain fell in X location), but that whole section or any section pretaining to US politics is off-limits. Hopefully that examples explains how "broadly constructed" works. For you, if there is even a thought that it might related to the Eastern Europe, don't edit the article.
To explain your exact ban reasoning, you should read Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests#Jarek19800, specifically the section "Result concerning Jarek19800", where the administrators explain their reasoning. Firefangledfeathers can also explain it in more detail as well. Hopefully that answers a few questions you have. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 23:33, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Jarek, this was a reasonable request, and I've added a comment at your user talk page with some of the reasons for the ban. The Weather Event Writer's breakdown here is useful, and I hope you'll read their comment (and WP:TBAN) carefully. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:05, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
thank you for explanation. it is logical. still in case of Eastern Europe is fully tricky. On one side Eastern Europe is not fully defined due to Wikipedia.We only know it ends east with Ural. In western border it is different. I take as given it concerns former Soviet republics in Europe. Illustrative I can do any edit about Kazakhstan or about Poland. Unfortunately I do not"buy" your approach that" if something might concern, it concerns". it is "marxist" approach not known to civilized world.it is directly opposite to democratic legal concept of " what is not directly forbidden is allowed". I can imagine ban but it shall be more specific like"you made this edit it is breach of this rule" and so through whole list. First fact than rule not only rule. It is clear than how to appeal such ban. Jarek19800 (talk) 19:28, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Jarek19800: As a general rule to follow: Anything related to Belarus, Russia (and Soviet Union), Ukraine, Moldova, Romania, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland, and Slovakia is off-limits. If you edit anything broadly in that topic range, you would receive a temporary full-ban due to violating your topic ban. You can appeal the topic ban in six months though if you have not violated it. You might not agree with how the topic-ban works, but Wikipedia is not a democracy nor nor a bureaucracy. Rules are rules. I was also topic banned in my past and I successfully appealed it. If you really do wish to improve Wikipedia for the better, you should continue editing in topics not related to Eastern Europe even remotely (example: Plants or the weather or science, ect...). But again, if there is a chance it relates or someone would relate it to Eastern Europe, do not edit it, or you risk a full temporary block on Wikipedia. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 19:40, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Until now my students voted 41-0 English Wikipedia (Polish is not so totalitarian) is rather marxist one and for sure bureaucracy and banning procedures in this example proves it fully. You are right- i prepare an appeal (my students require that)but for that I must get some non-standard knowledge. Never anyone of them would say that Poland is in Eastern Europe. It is shameful. It is like to say to German that he is from third world. Jarek19800 (talk) 20:52, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The ban is intentionally broad in scope. Editing while subject to a topic ban is tricky, and I wish you all the best in navigating it. If you're ever unsure about whether a given edit might violate the ban, you should ask an administrator. The Weather Event Writer is correct about all the areas they listed being covered by the ban. Kazakhstan edits would be fine, presuming they don't intersect in some other way with Eastern Europe matters. One correction to TWEW's points: there is no time restriction on when you can appeal the ban. The instructions for how to do so are here. That said, I do encourage you wait a while, and demonstrate good editing in other areas, before appealing. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:49, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
just one question: where it is defined on wikipedia which countries belong to Eastern Europe? the scope is definitively contradictory to what is defined in own English Wikipedia article Eastern Europe Jarek19800 (talk) 20:44, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The burden is on you to steer clear of any areas that are related to "Eastern Europe, broadly construed". The case that led to this area being considered a contentious topic is here, and you'll see that subsequent developments have considered Poland in scope. For some ideas about what has historically been included, you could look at what Eastern Europe topics come up at WP:AELOG/2024 or the logs from previous years. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 03:12, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Jarek19800: This will be my final reply on this topic. After this, if you have further questions about clarifying your topic ban, you can post them Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment. Per the Wikipedia article, every country listed above in in fact mentioned. Most definitions include the countries of Belarus, Russia, Ukraine, Moldova and Romania while less restrictive definitions may also include some or all of the Visegrád group, the Baltic states, the Balkans and the Caucasus. A majority of nations situated in Eastern Europe are former socialist republics of the Soviet Union...Another definition was created by the Cold War, as Europe was ideologically divided by the Iron Curtain, with "Eastern Europe" being synonymous with communist states constituting the Eastern Bloc under the influence of the Soviet Union. Per just those few sentences, it is clear what constitutes "Eastern Europe". However, like I said, if you wish for more exact clarification, you can post a clarification request to better define "Eastern Europe". Once again, the restriction is classified as "broadly constructed", meaning it is more or less discretionary depending on what exact topics are considered "Eastern Europe" to that person. Post a clarification request if you are unsatisfied with this explanation. Noting I am not an administrator, so I am attempting to answer your question (which Firefangledfeathers, an administrator seems to agree with) and directing you to the place where you may request more specific clarification. Cheers! The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 21:06, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Death of Nex Benedict page protection[edit]

Hi Firefangledfeathers - fyi, soon after the page protection you had added expired [3], an IP made what appear to have been test/null edits [4], which took some time to review to check for whether any disruption to the article happened. Also, as general context, contentious related news has continued to develop, so perhaps further page protection can be considered. Thank you, Beccaynr (talk) 22:42, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

also fyi, I've added a request at RFPP after this [5]. Beccaynr (talk) 23:54, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Protected for 3 months. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:48, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! Beccaynr (talk) 02:12, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question from GraeCSi (03:45, 23 March 2024)[edit]

Hi there, Firefangledfeathers, When editing a scientific or math page, how similar is the markup to something like LaTex or TexMacs? --GraeCSi (talk) 03:45, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi GraeCSi. For math, editors frequently use LaTex embedded in <math> tags. There's a good breakdown of the options at Help:Displaying a formula. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 04:12, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Anirudhauttamseolekar (07:17, 24 March 2024)[edit]

How to post my article --Anirudhauttamseolekar (talk) 07:17, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Anirudhauttamseolekar, and welcome to Wikipedia. It looks like you have a draft article at your sandbox. It also looks like it may be about yourself. We generally discourage people from writing an article about themselves (see WP:AUTOBIO). If you're really committed to doing so, let me know and I'll tell you what comes next. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 00:50, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question from WXYZ2468 (23:32, 24 March 2024)[edit]

Hello I have submitted two articles to Wikipedia, one has been declined and reviewed multiple times but the other and more significant of the two has not been reviewed once. I understand that it says to wait up to two months for review but it has now been over two months and my article on Franjo Krsto Delisimunovic has not been reviewed once. Just wondering if there's something I can do to have it reviewed or speed up the process. Thank you. --WXYZ2468 (talk) 23:32, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi WXYZ2468. I'm sorry to have to deliver the bad news, but there's nothing you can do to speed up the review process. The backlog is large right now. Maybe while you're waiting, there's more to add to the article? The version at Croatian Wikipedia has a bit more info, though I can't say if it's reliably sourced or not. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:05, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gender-critical feminism[edit]

I’m asking for your help because you are an admin who I see around on gensex articles. There is an edit notice on the Gender-critical feminism article saying that it should only be edited by users with 500 edits and an account age of 30 days i.e. editing is restricted to extended-confirmed users. I don’t know who added the restriction.

However, the article is not E-C protected. Should the page be E-C protected? Sweet6970 (talk) 16:21, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like El C created the edit notice in 2019 with the content about a 500/30 restriction. As far as I can tell, the article (then a redirect) has never been EC protected. I don't see anything in the AE logs. El C, would you object to replacing the edit notice with one that doesn't mention ECP? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:40, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sure np, whatever you think makes sense. El_C 20:27, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Sweet6970, the editnotice is now just the generic one that mentions the contentious topic. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 20:43, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for clearing that up. Sweet6970 (talk) 20:53, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks[edit]

Thanks for the explanation, my bad. Jeppiz (talk) 21:45, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No worries! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 22:25, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Delbertasueeklund on Midwestern worm snake (02:58, 27 March 2024)[edit]

I have had these worm snakes in my yard. I live in a timber in Central Illinois Stark County, Illinois. Every spring they come out. I usually see at least 2 to 3 of them . They are a tarnish color and maybe 14 to 18 inches long an about 3/8 inch in diameter at the most. The underside is lighter than the top and kind of very light pink. I play with them for a minute and release them. My timber is unmowed even around my house. Plenty of dew worms because I do not spray any pesticides or herbicides. I have been finding these little snakes for many years. --Delbertasueeklund (talk) 02:58, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Firefangledfeathers! I should have asked this here [6] but does this topic apply to Turkey-related articles fully or only partially? I'm asking because it says "broadly construed" there, given Turkey is partially in Balkans? Would all Turkey related articles be covered? There is Category:Wikipedia_controversial_topics but I think it only goes by talk page templates put by editors. Bogazicili (talk) 07:32, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In my experience, and based on a quick glance at the AE logs, Turkey mainly comes up in enforcement actions when the misconduct overlaps either with other Balkan nations (usually Greece) or Armenia/Azerbaijan (usually Armenia, and usually genocide-related). I wouldn't rule out Turkey being covered by ARBEE, but I don't think it would be helpful to tag Turkey topics as being fully covered. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 11:49, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! Geographic places seem routinely vandalized though. For example, count how many Smyrna's are in the lead of İzmir in this version [7] (there's one extra in the footnote as well). Btw, there's also Smyrna and Old Smyrna articles. I remember fixing the lead long time ago and now it's a mess again. Everything requires constant watch. Bogazicili (talk) 16:15, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you notice an article getting disruption tied to Eastern Europe–related nationalism disputes, I'd definitely recommend tagging the talk page with Template:Contentious topics/talk notice. Editors involved in such edits should get the alert, and AE would be amenable, I think, to enforcement requests about disruption in those topics. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 17:22, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Good to know, thanks! Bogazicili (talk) 18:31, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As a heads-up, I've upgraded to full protection for 72 hours due to edit warring/content dispute. I noticed that you've added a 3 month semi as a CTOP, so this is a courtesy note to restore the semi-protection when the full protection expires. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 04:36, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the heads up. Layered protection couldn't come too soon. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 12:23, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ethics Workshop Participation Request[edit]

Hi! We're conducting a series of participatory workshops with Wikipedia editors, administrators, researchers, and Wikimedia employees to discuss, and hopefully improve, Wikipedia's structures for online research (see meta research page). In an effort to get the right people in the room to discuss these topics, I'm reaching out here to see if you are interested in participating as an active administrator. We'd work with you to ensure this workshop can fit into your schedule, but are targeting end of April/early May. I'm happy to discuss any of these topics further here or on our talk page. Zentavious (talk) 16:29, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]