User talk:Hermes Express
@Hermes Express Isn't the point of the list of people that it has to be notable for the area. There's arabic and jewish people in lots of the world but if it's just a few people is it notable? Otherwise you might as well include danish and polish too since there's no doubt some danish and polish people living in the west indies. Nukleon (talk) 12:50, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- The Jews in the West Indies and the Caribbean are mainly Sephardic and Ashkenazi , thus considered as White Caribbeans, A lot of Mixed Afro-Caribbeans also have some Jewish ancestry. As for the Javanese they form the third largest ethnic group in Suriname. I wouldn't consider any of these groups as notable as the ones you gave as a example. It also has to do with historical influence, even though jews may be a small ethnic group in the West Indies now. Hermes Express (talk) 13:57, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
Hello @Hermes Express, I just wanted to thank you in helping expand Hindustani-speaking world. Shubhsamant09 (talk) 00:55, 21 March 2025 (UTC)
- No problem, interesting topic Hermes Express (talk) 12:18, 22 March 2025 (UTC)
@Hermes Express The constitution refers to standard hindi. The president of fiji himself clarified in the 12th world hindi conference, HINDI NOT FIJI HINDI, is the official language, so stop vandalising edits because it doesnt suit your narrative. Legally, HINDI is the official language and if you attempt to vandalise, it will be reverted — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.88.42.123 (talk) 10:53, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
Based on the reverts I assume this is Theoneandonlylinguist09, I'd suggest checking your own talkpage since you have been warned before for making these dubious edits, therefore they will again be reverted Hermes Express (talk) 17:59, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
- dubious? your the one making the dubious edits. go ahead and make your edits, you will be warned and they will be reverted. Theoneandonlylinguist09 (talk) 13:10, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
- You have been warned. Multiple sources have backed up my claim even in languages of Fiji where schools use the standard version. again, your free to vandalise, but we will simply revert what you do Theoneandonlylinguist09 (talk) 01:07, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
- The edit warring notice indicates something else Hermes Express (talk) 15:09, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
- you will be indicted for edit warring Theoneandonlylinguist09 (talk) 12:12, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
- sigh ~ Hermes Express (talk) 15:40, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
- you will be indicted for edit warring Theoneandonlylinguist09 (talk) 12:12, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
- The edit warring notice indicates something else Hermes Express (talk) 15:09, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
Stop putting fiji hindi, its standard hindi 1. Constitutional Recognition Fiji’s supreme law explicitly names Hindustani—understood as standard Hindi—alongside English and Fijian as the country’s three official languages. Translations of the Constitution are made available in iTaukei and Hindi (Devanagari script), and citizens may conduct legal and parliamentary business in any of these three languages, with the English text prevailing only where there is doubt. There is no mention of the colloquial Fiji Hindi dialect in the constitutional text.
2. Government Publication & Usage The Fijian Government routinely publishes core documents (including the Constitution itself) and public health updates in standard Hindi (Devanagari). The official government portal provides the Constitution in a Hindi translation for legal reference—demonstrating that the state engages with the formal register of Hindi in all its institutions.
3. Education & Curriculum Policy Formal education in Fiji treats standard Hindi as the formal medium for teacher training and secondary instruction. Fiji National University’s Bachelor of Education (Secondary) program, for example, requires entrants to demonstrate proficiency in English and Hindi (Devanagari)—underscoring that the “Hindi” of instruction is the standardized form taught internationally, not the localized dialect.
4. Linguistic Scholarship & Distinction Academic research makes clear that the Constitution’s term “Hindustani” refers to the formal Hindi-Urdu register originating from the Indian subcontinent. Fiji Hindi is a distinct koiné dialect that developed locally among indentured labourers; it enjoys widespread everyday use but lacks any constitutional or legal standing.
5. Equal Citizen Rights Under Chapter 1, Section 3(3–4) of the Constitution, citizens have the right to use iTaukei, English, or Hindi (Hindustani) in all government and judicial proceedings. This provision places standard Hindi on an equal footing with Fiji’s other official languages—affirming its formal status in the state apparatus.
Sources - Constitution of the Republic of Fiji (English) https://www.laws.gov.fj/ResourceFile/Get/?fileName=2013+Constitution+of+Fiji+%28English%29.pdf
Constitution of the Republic of Fiji Islands (Hindi Translation, Devanagari) https://www.paclii.org/fj/constitutional-docs-archives/Constitution%20of%20the%20Republic%20of%20Fiji%20Islands%20%28Hindi%29.pdf
Fiji National University: Bachelor of Education (Secondary) – English & Hindi https://programmes.fnu.ac.fj/programmes/Files/2019122313210Bachelor%20of%20Education%20%28Secondary%29%20%28English%20_and_%20Hindi%29%20.pdf
Kumar, R. (2018). Fiji Hindi in Fiji. Academia.edu https://www.academia.edu/36804807/Fiji_Hindi_in_Fiji
Shameem, N. (2017). “Fiji Hindi: A Heritage Language of Fiji Indians.” USP Repository https://repository.usp.ac.fj/id/eprint/13951/1/16-FijiHindiAheritagelanguage%20copy.pdf
PacLII: Fiji Constitutional Documents Archive https://www.paclii.org/fj/constitutional-docs-archives/main.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theoneandonlylinguist09 (talk • contribs) 11:39, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
Also ths proves that standard hindi is used in education - https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/EJ1328357.pdf ". Fiji Hindi is most often the first language of the Indo-Fijians. However, Standard Hindi is formally recognised as the standard language" "Vishwa Hindu Parishad, and Shree Sanatan Dharam Pratinidhi Sabha of Fiji provided a unified approach to convince the Minister for Education to remove Fiji Hindi from the Hindi national examination papers." THIS PROVES FIJI HINDI IS NOT FIJIS OFFICIAL LANGUAGE
AGAIN HERE - https://eric.ed.gov/?id=EJ1328357 Results showed that Fiji Hindi is preferred in social settings … and Standard Hindi is preferred in formal settings
Indo‑Fijians speak Fiji Hindi… learn Shudh Hindi (SH) or Urdu… for formal and literacy purposes https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0738059306000332 Study: Multilingual Proficiency in Fiji Primary Schools
Highlights:
“Indo‑Fijians speak Fiji Hindi as their mother tongue… learn Shudh Hindi/Urdu… SH/Urdu is the educationally acceptable mother tongue for use as the ‘vernacular’ language of instruction…” https://www.academia.edu/36609364/Curriculum_Development_Challenges_in_Advancing_Conversational_Languages_in_Fijian_Classrooms — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theoneandonlylinguist09 (talk • contribs) 11:48, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
THIS - https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/EJ1328357.pdf ". Fiji Hindi is most often the first language of the Indo-Fijians. However, Standard Hindi is formally recognised as the standard language" "Vishwa Hindu Parishad, and Shree Sanatan Dharam Pratinidhi Sabha of Fiji provided a unified approach to convince the Minister for Education to remove Fiji Hindi from the Hindi national examination papers." THIS PROVES FIJI HINDI IS NOT FIJIS OFFICIAL LANGUAGE — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theoneandonlylinguist09 (talk • contribs) 12:09, 15 June 2025 (UTC)