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Maintaining featured status/good quality standards on Wikipedia conflicts

Hi there,

The content regarding the 96th Academy Awards continues, but just as I feared, now User:46.44.158.42 is accusing me of Wikipedia:OWN. I've had a similar dispute almost a decade ago with a User:Atomic Meltdown regarding the 84th Academy Awards (you can see the dispute back in 2015 on the edit history here). I understand about ownership, but I'm trying to get this ceremony list eventually up to Wikipedia:Featured lists standards. I'm just following what has been advised to me from fellow editors who have worked on featured articles and/or featured lists. I'm afraid he might try to undo what I did without having a compromise or resolution and it will spiral into another edit war. And as far as I'm aware, one of the criteria for featured list promotion is that the article be stable. That's why I'm asking clarification from folks who have worked on featured content what they think given that I plan to nominate it for featured list come July.

Furthermore based on this message, User:Bbb23 determined that I was not in violation of WP:3RR.

Also, I have concerns that the user my attempt to put back the indiscriminate list of names that were "supposedly" added to a slide at the end of the In Memoriam segment, but as User:RunningTiger123, the way it would be presented would case MOS:SEAOFBLUE problems. In a previous FLC, RunningTiger123 said I'm conflicted as to whether the names listed all at once at the end of the "In Memoriam" section should be included. It's really hard to parse the sea of links and if they weren't notable enough to get their own moment, they may not be notable enough to be listed here. Would be curious to know what other reviewers think.. But more importantly, the two references used to back up the claim that all those names appeared on the actual telecast do not support the claim. There is no indication on either website to indicate the names appeared during the broadcast. So either this statements should be find a WP:Reliable sources backing up the claim, or it should be removed because this would be considered Original research or source synthesis.

--Birdienest81talk 20:22, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

It's a relief that Bbb123 debunked the claims against you, and none of your edits that I can think of came across as attempts to own articles. Just try not to edit war too much when maintaining article quality. Atomic Meltdown is notorious for sockpuppetry that continued long after getting indefinitely blocked. The Oscars in general and Seth MacFarlane-related matters were common areas that user focused on both after and before the block began. I haven't seen that name come up in quite some time. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 21:53, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Well, he/she did calm down about, but he still insists that it was disruptive editing to make the changes to the 96th Academy Awards thinking that it started with the red links. I'm trying to prepare the list for FLC like I have always done so for the past 11 years. I was going by the consensus of how featured content is presented based on past feedback I have gotten via the nominations. Otherwise, wouldn't the other featured lists just be written without any some sort of standards or oversight? I believe in quality over quantity. And yes, I'm trying to not engaging in an edit war, hence the talk page discussion. Birdienest81talk 18:35, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Oscar ceremony pages: A list or an article?

Hi there,

User talk:46.44.158.42 asked why the Oscar ceremony pages on Wikipedia are considered lists and not articles on this talk page. I'm not very sure how to answer that questions aside from the fact that's how the folks at Wikipedia deem it. Though from how I view it, even though particularly the featured list ones have details of the ceremony, the majority of the "article" is mostly presented in a list format such as the winners and nominees, winners/nominees tally, presenters and performers, and In Memoriam honorees. They still dwarf the prose section of the page.

If you had time, could you respond to his question on the talk page.

--Birdienest81talk 18:24, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

To be honest, I have no clue why they're counted as lists when there's lots of non-listy prose outside of the lead (e.g. ratings and reviews). SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 19:11, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day!

Many thanks, The Herald, and it's hard to believe 11 years have now passed! SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 13:33, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Albums/Album_article_style_advice#Simplifying "Release history" tables

Hi @SNUGGUMS: Theknine2 suggest that not to use "Label" and "Region" columns via updated table. Your comments would be appreciated. Regards. 2001:D08:2921:B6C4:17DE:443A:A377:4A85 (talk) 02:43, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

This notice feels rather out-of-left-field, but sure I'll leave comments there. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 03:13, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Madonna

Hi there SNUGGUMS, I hope you're doing well. Thank you for continuing to maintain high quality pop culture pages on this encyclopedia.

I have free time now due to the summer and I'm very interested in taking the daunting task of finally bringing Madonna to FA. I am willing to spend however many hours it takes. Doing a quick read-through of the article, it seems that most of everything pre-2012 is high quality, but post MDNA can be improved / supplemented with more high quality sources.

Since you have experience bringing three very important pop culture articles to FA, what would your advice be, given that Madonna has had such a long and very illustrious career? PHShanghai | they/them (talk) 19:27, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Yes I am, PHShanghai, and the wishes are appreciated! Hopefully the same applies for you. Believe it or not, I've also been planning for a while to do this with Ms. Ciccone's bio, just never had enough time to get that done. Aside from touching up any issues with prose (especially spelling and grammar), my first recommendation is to ensure it uses the best possible sources for claims AND that they actually back up the text attributed to them. You might be surprised how often people overlook how text doesn't always align with what given citations say regardless of article classification. Once that's resolved, we should ensure it covers all the major facts without excessive detail. Have a look at WP:Featured article criteria for more. I haven't yet had the chance to assess the article for any glaring issues, but will ping Bluesatellite for input on what needs to be improved when that user has done lots of work on it and other Madonna-related pages. Someday perhaps the three of us could nominate it together once everything is up to par. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 20:06, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Would love to do so, and I have a lot of free time on my hands so I'm very excited to put a lot into this project.

My primary concern right now is that a lot of the things that are cited in her article are from biography books from the late 90s and the early 2000s; while I do not have an issue with citing books, many digital copies of these are behind paywalls and usually the references do not have any quotes, just a page number. At the very least I feel like adding proper quotes would help the poor sourcing a lot.

I also feel that the word count of the article can be lowered down a little, especially in the latter half of her career. I will look more into FAC to see how it can be improved. I don't think there are any glaring issues (besides the whole biography books thing) but instead more of a general need to update the quality of the text. PHShanghai | they/them (talk) 12:24, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Going through all those books would take some digging, that's for certain. Not sure how much would be appropriate to include as quotes for such in-text citations. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 17:18, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Presidency Navigation Templates vs. Biography Navigation Templates discussion

Hello, SNUGGUMS! Since you are listed as an active member of the United States Presidents WikiProject, would you mind leaving a comment at a project talk page discussion about a series of templates that I created for the presidencies of Lyndon B. Johnson, Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush, and George W. Bush? Another editor and myself disagree about whether there should be a separate navigation template for each Presidency apart from the biographical navigation template. Thanks! -- CommonKnowledgeCreator (talk) 22:03, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Just left a comment on the thread. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 23:09, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Barbie (film)

Hey. Please review what you are going to remove before saving the page. As you can see at the bottom there's info related to the Themes section that you removed. ภץאคгöร 21:36, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

There already were "Philosophy", "Feminism", and "Masculinity" sections discussing themes, Nyxaros, so it's not like I removed much on the matter that wasn't previously alluded to. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 23:17, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

The issue here is not whether you removed much on the matter or not. Their content is different from the removed text and your edit summary only mentions the other text. Better to be more careful. ภץאคгöร 23:48, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

FAC

Hi! If you have time, I was wondering if you are able to take a look at the current FAC for Forever (Mariah Carey song). Your comments are always appreciated. Thanks, Heartfox (talk) 16:45, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Not able to do so right away, Heartfox, but I should have something up within the next 24 hours. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 17:38, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

UPDATE: I just left some comments there. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 04:57, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Katy Perry scheduled for TFA

This is to let you know that the above article has been scheduled as today's featured article for 26 October 2024. Please check that the article needs no amendments. Feel free to amend the draft blurb, which can be found at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/October 26, 2024, or to make comments on other matters concerning the scheduling of this article at Wikipedia talk:Today's featured article/October 2024. I suggest that you watchlist Wikipedia:Main Page/Errors from the day before this appears on Main Page. Thanks and congratulations on your work. – SchroCat (talk) 14:31, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

I could've sworn this would be for the 25th instead of 26th, SchroCat, but regardless appreciate the notice. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 16:53, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Snuggums, ordinarily it would be, but there’s already an article with a good claim on the 25th. As that one hasn’t been on the main page before, and as KP has, I bumped her over a day. Not ideal, but not everything can fit onto the exact days sometimes. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 18:24, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Fair enough, I see where you're coming from. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 21:14, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

story · music · places

Thank you today for the 2014 article, introduced simply: "Here is Katheryn Elizabeth "Katy" Hudson aka Katy Perry. She's the California Gurl who kissed another girl and very much liked it." - I hope you enjoyed that she also appeared on the Main page on her birthday, in the OTD section. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:05, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

You're quite welcome, Gerda Arendt, and yes I appreciated that inclusion upon noticing it. :) SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 14:58, 26 October 2024 (

• Many congrats on the appearance! She's a mother.--NØ 15:06, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Grateful for the wishes, MaranoFan. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 15:08, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

UTC)

Happy whatever you celebrate today, - more who died, more to come, and they made the world richer. Greetings from Madrid where I took the pic of assorted Cucurbita in 2016. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:19, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Same wishes, and that would be Halloween for me. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 21:16, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Always precious

Ten years ago, you were found precious. That's what you are, always. - Nicely matched timing ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:37, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Much appreciated for sure! SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 11:52, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks!

You cleaned up a couple of my edits in the past few weeks - thanks. Special-T (talk) 17:38, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Not a problem :) SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 21:33, 15 August 2024 (UTC)