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Talk:Chelsea Wolfe (BMX cyclist)

It's my opinion that the subject of this article should be referred to as an "Olympian" and a "member of Team USA" based on quotes from sources. Particularly, this source which refers to her as Olympian Chelsea Wolfe in the title and this source which refers to her as the first out trans athlete on Team USA. Other users, Fram and Topcardi, argue that she does not qualify as an Olympian because she did not compete in the Olympics, and was only a reserve member of her team that would have competed if another teammate was unable to. My request for comment is asking if yes, the article should refer to her as an "Olympian", or if no, it should not. ArtemisiaGentileschiFan (talk) 16:48, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

Talk:Kusaila

Should the article on Kusaila include one of the available photographs of the modern (reinstalled) statue located in Bouhmama, Algeria, as the lead image?

There are two freely licensed photographs of the statue:

A wider, uncropped version: [1]
A more tightly cropped version: [2]

Both are images of a modern public monument commemorating Kusaila, and have been proposed as alternatives to a previously used fictional drawing: [3], which was removed due to sourcing concerns. This RfC seeks input on whether either image should be used, and if so, which version is more appropriate.

(For additional context, see: Talk:Kusaila#c-ElijahUHC-20250602183300-Image_Change:_Statue_of_Kusaila_from_Bouhmama)

ElijahUHC (Talk) 22:26, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

Talk:Rajiv Gandhi

The infobox in the article had always used the 1984 portrait of Rajiv Gandhi. Some months ago, a user changed it to a 1987 image of him. However, it appears the change has been reverted. Which of the following images should be used for Rajiv Gandhi in the infobox, as his portrait? EarthDude (talk) 10:30, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

Talk:Donald Trump

Should the bolded text in this sentence of the lead be removed:

Trump began his second presidency by pardoning around 1,500 January 6 rioters and initiating mass layoffs of federal workers.

I believe this merits an RfC because I have proposed this change before and each discussion ends without a consensus. Bill Williams 18:59, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

Talk:Donald Trump

Should the 3rd and 4th paragraphs of the lede for Donald Trump remain separate or be combined into one paragraph? See here for prior discussion of this issue (specifically the subsection entitled "Lead paragraph 3"). Please share your thoughts below. Emiya1980 (talk) 09:56, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

Talk:Juno Dawson

Should the article include the subject's former name, and if so, where?--Trystan (talk) 13:44, 22 May 2025 (UTC)

Talk:T. V. S. N. Prasad

Should the following sentence be included in the lead section of T. V. S. N. Prasad?

His bureaucratic career, including his role as Chief Secretary of the Government of Haryana, has been the subject of sustained public and legal scrutiny due to a series of controversies and administrative decisions that attracted criticism from courts, media, and civil society.

This statement was added after the RfC began to satisfy WP:RFCNEUTRAL and WP:RFCBRIEF. 03:31, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

Talk:Bella Hadid

Is the following or a similar phrasing and sourcing due and appropriate for inclusion:

She participated in the Gaza war protests and called Israel's actions in the Gaza Strip "genocide."^[1] Hadid stated that she and her family have received death threats for their pro-Palestinian stance, saying: "I've been sent hundreds of death threats daily, my phone number has been leaked, and my family has felt to be in danger. But I can not be silenced any longer. Fear is not an option."^[2] In November 2023, Israeli music duo Ness & Stilla released the single "Harbu Darbu",^[3] which called for her death.^[4]^[5]

FortunateSons (talk) 15:23, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

Talk:Justin Barrett

Should he be called a conspiracy theorist in the lead? 2A02:810D:BC82:1E00:F5E7:6D91:BE2:85B7 (talk) 12:06, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

Talk:Imran Khan

There is ongoing disagreement over whether the article should include the newly-added section titled "Relationship with the military" as it currently does. Both the relevance of the content and the appropriateness of presenting it in a standalone section under "Public image" are being contested. This issue was previously discussed above and could not be resolved at the Dispute Resolution Noticeboard, and it has now been directed here for broader input.

Should the article include a section on "Relationship with the military"? Titan2456 (talk) 23:17, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

Talk:Asmongold

The previous RfC was closed as no consensus to include or exclude his name. Eight months later, at least a dozen new sources have used his full name.

Should Asmongold's full name be included in the article? --03:54, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Biography

Should the provision MOS:POSTNOM (under WP:MOSBIO) that allows post-nominal letters only outside the LEAD SENTENCE be overturned, maintained, or modified? Specifically, the guideline currently reads: "When the subject of an article has received honours or appointments issued either by the subject's state of citizenship or residence, or by a widely recognized organization that reliable sources regularly associate with the subject, post‐nominal letters may be included in any part of the article other than the lead sentence." Obviously, this RfC would also invite alternative solutions, etc. I will add options if so-requested. As such;

Option 1: Full Reversal of the Exclusion
- Overturn the existing guideline entirely so that post‐nominal letters may be included in the lead sentence. Order will be determined by awarding-nation's order of precedence (I.e. the higher-ranking award is listed first after the name). If one award is from one nation, and the second award is from another nation, list them in chronological order of receipt (assuming they do not recognize each other, such as Commonwealth awards).
Option 2: Maintain MOS:POSTNOM As-Is
- Maintain existing guidelines.
Option 3: Conditional Inclusion Based on Infobox Presence
- Allow post‐nominal letters in the lead sentence only when an infobox is absent. If an article provides an infobox, then post‐nominals should be confined there (with full details in the body text OTHER THAN THE LEAD SENTENCE).
Option 4: Partial Inclusion with Limits
- Allow a limited number of post‐nominal letters (for example, one or two of the most important honors) to remain in the lead sentence, with any extra post‐nominals moved into the infobox or detailed in the article body. Order will be determined by awarding-nation's order of precedence (I.e. the higher-ranking award is listed first). If one award is from one nation, and the second award is from another nation, list them in order of receipt (assuming they do not recognize each other, such as Commonwealth awards).
Option 5: Open-Ended Policy
- Refrain from requiring or excluding post-nominals within the guidelines. Refrain from limiting the number of post-nominals in either the lead, body, or infobox. Require consensus on an article-by-article basis on their relevant Talk pages (if-so required).

AGAIN, THIS PERTAINS TO THE LEAD SENTENCE OF AN ARTICLE.

EDIT: the order of precedence stuff can probably be ignored.
EDIT 2: For transparency, I have attempted to manually ping each participant in the original discussion. I apologize if I missed you, it was a long discussion and my thumbs and eyes grow weary.

This RfC invites discussion on whether excluding post‐nominals from the lead remains justified, or if a revision is warranted given concerns about clarity, consistency, and the conveyance of useful information. The original discussion was not an RfC proper, and as such, I have taken it upon myself to start one. The discussion was productive enough that I feel it warranted an RfC. This is my first RfC, so, I apologize in advance for any mistakes.

MWFwiki (talk) 00:10, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Biographies of living persons

This RfC proposes improving the wording of the existing WP:BLPCRIME policy. The intent is not to change the policy or principles. The goal is to make the guidance clearer and easier to apply. Below is the current wording followed by the proposed revision.

Current version

A living person accused of a crime is presumed innocent until convicted by a court of law. Accusations, investigations, arrests and charges do not amount to a conviction. For individuals who are not public figures—that is, individuals not covered by § Public figures—editors must seriously consider not including material^[a]—in any article—that suggests the person has committed or is accused of having committed a crime, unless a conviction has been secured for that crime.

If different judicial proceedings result in seemingly contradictory outcomes that do not overrule each other,^[b] include sufficient explanatory information.

Proposed version

A living person accused of a crime is presumed innocent until convicted by a court of law. Accusations, investigations, arrests, and charges do not amount to a conviction. For individuals who are not public figures—that is, individuals not covered by § Public figures—editors must seriously consider not including material^[a]—in any article—that suggests the person has committed or is accused of committing a crime, unless a conviction has been secured. If different judicial proceedings result in seemingly contradictory outcomes that do not overrule each other,^[c] sufficient explanatory information should be included.

When deciding whether to name a living or recently deceased person in connection with a crime, editors should assess the stage of proceedings as a spectrum: person of interest < arrested < charged < on trial < convicted. The earlier the stage, the higher the threshold for inclusion. Names should rarely be included for persons of interest. For convicted individuals, names are generally appropriate unless exceptional circumstances apply. For intermediate stages, editors must carefully weigh factors such as the extent and quality of reliable sourcing, whether the subject is a minor, and the person’s public status.

Please comment below. Thanks! Nemov (talk) 15:30, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

^ ^a ^b Cite error: The named reference namerfc was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
^ For example, O. J. Simpson was acquitted in 1995 of the murder of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman, but was later found liable for their wrongful deaths in a civil trial.
^ For example, O. J. Simpson was acquitted in 1995 of the murder of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman, but was later found liable for their wrongful deaths in a civil trial.

^ "Adidas drops Bella Hadid from campaign referencing 1972 Munich Olympics". Al Jazeera. July 19, 2024.
^ Zhan, Jennifer (October 26, 2023). "Bella Hadid Says Palestine 'Cannot Afford Our Silence'". Vulture.
^ Fiske, Gavriel (November 21, 2023). "Hip-hop war anthem reaches number one in Israel". The Times of Israel. Archived from the original on December 2, 2023.
^ Zitser, Joshua (December 12, 2023). "Israel's Gen Z is dancing to a war song that celebrates bombing Gaza and names Dua Lipa and Bella Hadid as enemies". Business Insider.
^ "Israel split by song calling for death of Dua Lipa and Bella Hadid". The Times. February 14, 2024.

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[7] For example, O. J. Simpson was acquitted in 1995 of the murder of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman, but was later found liable for their wrongful deaths in a civil trial.

[8] For example, O. J. Simpson was acquitted in 1995 of the murder of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman, but was later found liable for their wrongful deaths in a civil trial.

[1] "Adidas drops Bella Hadid from campaign referencing 1972 Munich Olympics". Al Jazeera. July 19, 2024.

[2] Zhan, Jennifer (October 26, 2023). "Bella Hadid Says Palestine 'Cannot Afford Our Silence'". Vulture.

[3] Fiske, Gavriel (November 21, 2023). "Hip-hop war anthem reaches number one in Israel". The Times of Israel. Archived from the original on December 2, 2023.

[4] Zitser, Joshua (December 12, 2023). "Israel's Gen Z is dancing to a war song that celebrates bombing Gaza and names Dua Lipa and Bella Hadid as enemies". Business Insider.

[5] "Israel split by song calling for death of Dua Lipa and Bella Hadid". The Times. February 14, 2024.

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