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closing discussion on talk page

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:September_11_attacks

hello - you closed my talk page discussion as malformed RFC - Its not a RFC just a talk page discussion Gsgdd (talk) 00:29, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

You formed it as an RfC, without following the proper format or process. Therefore I closed it so you can start over. I see you've reverted me. Well, if you're determined to dig a hole, I'm going to offer you an extra shovel. — The Hand That Feeds You:^Bite 00:32, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

there is lot of discussion already. An id is not generated - i removed rfc tag well before that. so its not a problem Gsgdd (talk) 00:36, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

on deleting my reply in "Myth of the clean Wehrmacht

Hello there. It seems you deleted my reply in the talk page suggesting alternatives titles for the lead. I disagree with the deletion as it is on topic with The Hand That Feeds You asking for others to reply with alternative titles. I won't unrevert your reversion or just send the same reply again without your response tho. Thanks for your time 92.236.211.53 (talk) 13:23, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

No, you misunderstand. The topic was not the title, the topic of that section was the WP:LEDE, aka the introduction section. Also, that section was over a year old, it's generally bad form to reply to such old discussions.

If you want to start a new discussion about renaming the article, it'd be better to create a new section for that purpose. — The Hand That Feeds You:^Bite 13:30, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

My apologies. Thanks for the heads up and the warning, won't forget it. 92.236.211.53 (talk) 00:53, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

EEng ANI thread

Hi, I don't use ANI much, and I was confused by your response to my complaint about EEng, specifically: "this example doesn't even rise to being in the ballpark of WP:NPA". I didn't say that this latest comment was a personal attack. In terms of WP:UNCIVIL, I would classify it under disrespectful and rude, especially since WP:BURDEN to provide sources was on EEng. The text was:

I've often thought that someone should invent some kind of worldwide information search and retrieval system -- maybe one involving computers linked by communication lines -- by which queries could be entered on a keyboard or something, and answers viewed on a display screen. Because if there was such a thing, you could answer that question yourself instead of demanding that other editors do it for you (which is also not a good look).

It's sarcastic, sharp, and mildly impugns the other editor's motives, intelligence, work ethic, and reputation. Was there some special significance you put on WP:NPA specifically within WP:CIVIL in the context of disciplinary decisions, was this just a momentary confusion because EEng has been blocked for personal attacks upteen times, or is there something I'm missing? -- Beland (talk) 03:30, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

It's sarcastic and deprecating, but it does not rise to the level of a personal attack. It's just a more loquacious way of saying "You could've just Googled the answer." If the latter does not violate NPA, then EEng's version does not violate NPA. It's annoying, but not a personal attack. — The Hand That Feeds You:^Bite 12:38, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

If this comment had been directed at me, I would certainly have felt that my personality was being attacked, suggesting that I'm overly "demanding" and that I have a "bad look". It has a lot more going on than simply saying "you could have Googled the answer". (And to correct my previous statement, I did use the word "attack"; perhaps that's what you were responding to.) In any case, even if we were to agree this is not an "attack", WP:CIVIL prohibits "merely" rude and disrespectful comments as well. It also says: "While a few minor incidents of incivility that no one complains about are not necessarily a concern, a continuing pattern of incivility is unacceptable." Which is why "it's not a personal attack" doesn't seem like a good reason for dismissing the complaint. -- Beland (talk) 19:56, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Being condescending to someone does not constitute an WP:NPA violation. It's rude, yes, but it's not a personal attack. If you want to push for that broad WP:CIVIL interpretation, I expect you'd have a long fight on your hands. Regardless, I'm not the person you need to convince. The rest of the community is unwilling to accept such a broad interpretation, given the number of times I've seen it come up at WP:VPP. But you're welcome to try again.

The fact is that if you want to ban "merely" rude and disrespectful comments, you're basically going to cut out anyone who gets a little snarky at civil POV pushers, trolls, or stubborn sealions. So people are not going to go along with that interpretation.

I personally suggest letting it drop until you have a concrete example of EEng violating WP:NPA, because that's what it's going to take to get him sanctioned. It was hard enough the first time, he had to very blatantly cross a line for that to happen. — The Hand That Feeds You:^Bite 20:06, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

• I would take a dozen of EEng's sarcastic (or whatever) posts over a single one of your "Here's a 10 year old list of blockings, let's see what else we, The Cabal, can get this outsider for next." (yet perfectly WP:CIVIL) ANI filings. That attitude is the most toxic behavioural pattern on WP these days. Andy Dingley (talk)