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"anatomically female"

User @82.4.161.186: replaced "was anatomically female" with "had a vagina" with edit summary "To say that someone has female anatomy is transphobic. Teena was a man with a vagina". User @Philipnelson99: reverted with no explanation.

The IP user is correct that it is transphobic. I will add that terms like "anatomically female" or "biologically female" don't really make sense when applied to a trans body, and are needlessly vague when "had a vagina" is clear and concise. --Wickedterrier (talk) 03:16, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand why the technically accurate term "anatomically female" would be considered transphobic. Can you point to a style guide or two to support that contention?- Mr X 🖋 03:18, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure it is accurate though. People tend to have more than one piece of anatomy. Some people have boobs and a penis. Would such a person be "anatomically female" because they have boobs? Or "anatomically male" because they have a penis? "had a vagina" is completely unambiguous.

Here's a guide from HRC: https://www.hrc.org/resources/reporting-about-transgender-people-read-this

No. 7 mentions the term "biological" and "anatomical" is being used here in much the same way.

GLAAD mentions problems with the term too: https://www.glaad.org/reference/transgender --Wickedterrier (talk) 03:48, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@MrX and Philipnelson99: I have to agree with Wickedterrier and the IP on this one. There's really nothing about genitalia that's "female" or "male", and "had a vagina" is unambiguous. However, the source doesn't actually say anything about Teena's genitalia: Grabbing Brandon, they unfastened his pants and pulled them down, demanding that Lana have a look. They wanted her to just admit that Brandon was a girl. According to her account, she shielded her eyes. They insisted, so she looked but said nothing. Perhaps it would be better to reword the sentence to During a Christmas Eve party, Nissen and Lotter grabbed Teena and forced him to remove his pants to show Tisdel his genitalia or somesuch? GorillaWarfare (talk) 14:32, 3 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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 ::No. 7 mentions the term "biological" and "anatomical" is being used here in much the same way.
 ::GLAAD mentions problems with the term too: https://www.glaad.org/reference/transgender --[[User:Wickedterrier|Wickedterrier]] ([[User talk:Wickedterrier|talk]]) 03:48, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
+:::{{ping|MrX|Philipnelson99}} I have to agree with [[User:Wickedterrier|Wickedterrier]] and the IP on this one. There's really nothing about genitalia that's "female" or "male", and "had a vagina" is unambiguous. However, the source doesn't actually say anything about Teena's genitalia: {{tq|Grabbing Brandon, they unfastened his pants and pulled them down, demanding that Lana have a look. They wanted her to just admit that Brandon was a girl. According to her account, she shielded her eyes. They insisted, so she looked but said nothing.}} Perhaps it would be better to reword the sentence to {{tq|During a Christmas Eve party, Nissen and Lotter grabbed Teena and forced him to remove his pants <u>to show Tisdel his genitalia</u>}} or somesuch? [[User:GorillaWarfare|GorillaWarfare]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:GorillaWarfare|(talk)]]</small> 14:32, 3 January 2019 (UTC)