User talk:Holly Cheng/Archive6

• /Archive1 July 25 - November 18, 2005
• /Archive2 November 29 - December 28, 2005
• /Archive3 December 30, 2005 - January 25, 2006
• /Archive4 January 25, 2006 - March 1, 2006
• /Archive5 March 2, 2006 - June 7, 2006

Colin MacIntyre image

Hi, you recently removed an image from the Colin MacIntyre article. I uploaded the image and I'm fairly sure I added a tag, source and fair use rationale. I didn't receive any notice that it was being deleted. Can you reinstate it please. I'll add the necessary rationale etc if it wasn't there already. Cheers. Stu ^{’Bout ye!} 08:05, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for that Howard. Stu ^{’Bout ye!} 15:54, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Postwar Sherman Tanks

Hello. Could you tell me why the image was removed from Postwar Sherman Tanks? I couldn't tell from the comment. Thank you. Wikist 22:30, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Miri Regev

Hi, you recently removed an image I had placed on the article Miri Regev. I believe that I added to the image's description that I was using the image in fair use under the terms of the site, in addition to the fact that it was an official publicity photo from the IDF. If you check most other IDF images from the IDF site (random Ex: [1], [2], [3]) you will find that they are all claiming fair use because unlike the hebrew wiki, we do not yet have IDF specific fair use tags (Ex of Hebrew fair use tag [4]). I would appreciate if the image was reinstated. Thanks, Joshdboz 00:52, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi. I reiterate the comments above. Please consult me before deleting any further IDF website-related images. The IDF allows for fairuse usage [The user may make "fair use" of the protected material as set out under the law.], so the source url is (for now) the rational. [Also, you've deleted an image that was donated to Wikipedia for lacking a fair use rational.] Thanks in advance. Regards, El_C 01:27, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Just for the record, to make sure there was no problem with where the fair use was coming from, I had pasted Believed to be "fair use" as "reasonable quoting" under the Terms of Use in the Miri Regev image after receiving a copywrite warning. Joshdboz 09:59, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

DYK

Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Popeye Village, which you recently nominated, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 04:46, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Hey... (Dzamija-Mosque)

I will get permission from the website (www.bosnjaci.net) as soon as possible. Just give me two days. Secondly, who is disputing it, is it just you or is there a debate on this dealing a number of users.

• Please do not delete, I will get the permission asap

Thanks, Kseferovic 01:52, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Removal of fair use images

Hi Howcheng, thanks for replacing Image:British_Royal_Family.jpg on my userbox page. I avoid fair use pictures in the userspace, but I missed that one. Thanks again. Blarneytherinosaur 04:33, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

I'll also add my thanks for your help at portal:Christianity. Cheers! Brisvegas 10:26, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Image:KKH earlyMorning.jpg

This image was personally taken by me. But I forgot to mention it in the summary. I gave the name of photographer (Kamran Ali) but forgot to declare myself as Kamran Ali. Please remove the "being considered for deletion" notice. Thanks. User:Mahak_library 1:52, 23 June 2006 (GMT)

A short Esperanzial update

As you may have gathered, discussions have been raging for about a week on the Esperanza talk page as to the future direction of Esperanza. Some of these are still ongoing and warrant more input (such as the idea to scrap the members list altogether). However, some decisions have been made and the charter has hence been amended. See what happened. Basically, the whole leadership has had a reshuffle, so please review the new, improved charter.

As a result, we are electing 4 people this month. They will replace JoanneB and Pschemp and form a new tranche A, serving until December. Elections will begin on 2006-07-02 and last until 2006-07-09. If you wish to run for a Council position, add your name to the list before 2006-07-02. For more details, see Wikipedia:Esperanza/June 2006 elections.

Thanks and kind, Esperanzial regards, —Celestianpower ^háblame 16:00, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Re: Images

Heh...yeah a couple days after doing all that I kinda found that out. I will remeber next time though! Thunderbrand 16:14, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Your vote on Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Bruno Senna

Hi Howcheng,
Sorry to bother you, but I've updated the captions on the edits to make it perfectly clear which version you support. Please update your vote and state which version you support. Please use the naming located under the main caption in bold, large text. Thanks, --Fir0002 09:05, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Can you answer this question?

A user asked me the following:

I wonder if it is allowed to define a wikipedia user's group as a category of users ; my point is to relate people who share something in common, such as the follow-up of philosophic lectures.

Yours,--Lilliputian 08:57, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

nothing new. Do you know personaly smbdy who can handle such a topic ?

Cheers,--Lilliputian 14:00, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

I personally cannot help them as I don't have a clue about the policy on this. Any assistance you can provide would be appreciated. —Kf4bdy ^{talk contribs}

Image Tagging for Image:MontenegroRoadMap.jpg

Te base for this map is taken from [5], but I made some revisions, added newly built roads, etc, because it was an obsolete mape, not up to date. So what is the license for a modified map?!

Your closing of Image:Popebenedettoencyclical.jpg IFD on Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion/2006 June 23

Regarding your decision to keep the image, I believe that your rationale for fair use is incorrect. WP:FAIR#Counterexamples says that it is not permissible to use "A photo from a press agency (e.g. Reuters, AP), not so famous as to be iconic, to illustrate an article on the subject of the photo." You said, "This qualifies as fair use in Deus Caritas Est. In this case, it is NOT being used simply to show the Pope." Even if the photo is being used not just to show the pope himself, but, rather, is being used to show him signing this document, the image is still being used to illustrate the subject of the photo. The subject, in this case, is document itself or the act of signing the document, but whatever you want to define the subject to be, the photo is being used to illustrate that subject. In any case, WP:FAIR#Counterexamples #5 would seem to apply.

I have requested a review of this closure on deletion review. Since you closed the deletion discussion, your reasons on how or why you did so will be greatly appreciated in the above review. BigDT 00:02, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

You Killed Thunderegg!

Hello--

In the winter it seems you deleted the entry for Thunderegg (rock and roll band). I'm a fan of the group and thought I should forward you the link to their write-up in the Trouser Press (http://www.trouserpress.com/entry.php?a=thunderegg) in case you doubted the group's "legitimacy."

This year Thunderegg put out a project I haven't heard of anyone else ever doing, reason enough to be included in Wikipedia, in my opinion. It's a CD-ROM w/more than 200 songs and a thick lyric book. It's called "Open Book, The Collected Thunderegg"...it's nine hours of music in one package! What other totally indie artist has done that?

Anyhow, I think you should reconsider killing the Thunderegg article. It was useful info for the Wikimasses.

Scottross 16:30, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Request to change appearance date of Male' image on main page.

Hello Howcheng,

I noticed that you have created POTD subpage for Male' image to appear on main page on July 17. I was wondering if its possible to delay the image to July 26, if there isnt any guideline restricting this change, because the day coincides with the Maldivian independence day. Just thought that'd be nice. Thanks! --Oblivious 18:32, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Comment on common.css change

With respect to this change, did you mean { background: transparent; }? According to W3C specs, { background: none; } means { background-image: none; }. Since background-image isn't allowed in wikicode anyway, and since you named the class .same-bg, I figure you meant to set the color, not the background image. Or am I mistaken on some point? —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 21:08, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

See MediaWiki talk:Common.css#Proposal:_class_same-bg. It seemed like an unopposed edit request so I fulfilled it. I didn't really examine the CSS code. howcheng {chat} 21:24, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I'll respond there. —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 22:07, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

File:BB06-EVIC1.JPG

Hi, you deleted this image giving the reason, "The image is not necessary to understanding how the voting system works". While I don't have a problem with the reason you gave, I'd like to ask if you could have a second look at it, as other people have said that this particular image makes the part of the article relevant to it, easier to understand; especially since it's something that hasn't been used before. Thanks. --JD[^{don't talk}|_email] 23:56, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Since you just left a message on my talk page, it's probably not too risky to leave a message here. See Wikipedia:Fair use criteria. I don't feel that the image meets #8. I don't need to know how the voting system looks on the screen; it's adequately described in the text for me to understand it. Thus, the image ends up only serving as decoration. However, please feel free to take it to Wikipedia:Deletion review if you disagree. Thanks. howcheng {chat} 00:15, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

I think the image did enhance the article, but not "significantly", so I'm not going to contest your decision to delete the image. Thanks for getting back to me on it. --JD[^{don't talk}|_email] 00:20, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Fair use images

Hi, seeing that you allowed the Purple Frog image because it is very rare, I was hoping to be able to claim fair use on an image of a Gastric-brooding frog, both species are now "extinct" so realistically a new free image is probably not going to appear. There are quite a few images of these frogs on the internet, however none are under a free license, would it be possible to claim fair use on one of these images?--Tnarg¹²³⁴⁵ 03:47, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, you can't just grab any old image off the Internet and claim "fair use." There has to be a reason why you want a specific picture. Image:Nasikabatrachus sahyadrensis.jpg was taken by the person who "discovered" the species, which he released to the media specifically for species identification. If it was just some random picture of the purple frog, that would not have been proper. However, you say the frog is now extinct so perhaps if may be possible to find a picture from before 1955 -- that would be public domain according to Australian law (see Template:PD-Australia) and therefore you can just grab it and use it. Regards, howcheng {chat} 06:30, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

The frogs were discovered in the 1970's so there isn't any photos from before 1955. However, there are some very interesting photos of these species, if you follow this link you will see one specifically where the frog is giving oral birth. This would be the best image for wikipedia (as it is the most encyclopedic, as it demonstrates what the frogs are known for), would it have been released for media purposes seeing that it is on at least 4 websites. Would it be possible to claim fair use on that image?--Tnarg¹²³⁴⁵ 06:58, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Unlike the purple frog image, we don't know the circumstances of the photo and its release, although we can speculate. Seeing as it's extinct, a fair use claim on the image at [6] might fly, but I'm still a little hesitant. It might be best to just cite that page as a reference and note that a photo can be seen there. howcheng {chat} 16:06, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

David Westerfield

On April 24, TripleH1976 asked you to protect the David Westerfield article because he was in an edit war with me. Which you promptly did. And it was HIS version you protected. Did you just blindly comply with his request or did you carry out an investigation? Had you investigated you would have discovered the following:

TripleH1976 is a known VANDAL: if you had looked at his Talk page you would have seen he was accused of vandalism by several different users. You yourself temporarily blocked him in February for violating the three-revert rule. And after you had protected the Westerfield article, he was given a “last warning” for vandalizing the Full House article.

So you protected the version of a known vandal. And what was he doing to the Westerfield article? He was repeatedly removing the content I was adding. In other words, he was vandalizing it. He COULD instead have added POV to the article, or to my individual edits - just the ones he didn’t like. Or he could have reworded my edits to make them (in his opinion) less POV. But he did none of that, he just removed them in their entirety.

Is that the sort of behavior Wikipedia approves? By protecting his version, you were encouraging vandalism.

I didn’t merely reinstate my version - which is what TripleH1976 was repeatedly doing with his version - I always added extra information at the same time.

Shortly before the article was protected, having made all the corrections I wanted to, and not wanting to merely indulge in TripleH1976's behavior, as an alternative method I instead added POV to his version. Someone else, 24.41.57.188, then reinstated my version, after which TripleH1976 reinstated his version WITHOUT the POV. I would argue that that was dishonest - at best, poor etiquette.

And what did my edits consist of? I was primarily correcting ERRORS in the article. And I STATED this in my summaries of my edits. As you would have seen from the History page for that article, had you carried out an investigation. So what TripleH1976 was repeatedly doing was removing corrections and reinstating an ERROR-filled version of the article. And you protected the ERROR-filled version.

I now have NO confidence in the accuracy of Wikipedia articles.

I was also, at the same time, rectifying the BIAS of the article. TripleH1976, whose knowledge of the case is poor and superficial (as you will see if you compare his contributions to the discussion page with mine, and you can even see that from my article edits which he was removing), firmly believes that Westerfield is guilty. In fact, there is much that is disturbing about the case, and I want to provide a BALANCE to the article. For example, evidence pointing away from Westerfield - including unidentified blood on the very bed the victim was abducted from - was ignored. The laboratory gave lack of time as their excuse. But the bottom line is that they were purely looking for evidence to convict him: determining the truth didn’t come into it. In a Death Penalty case that is utterly inexcusable. And TripleH1976 doesn’t want this type of thing pointed out, he dismisses it all as defense spin and my POV - even though I give my sources, many of which are prosecution witnesses, the prosecutor himself, and even the judge (as you will see from the discussion page).

After the article was protected, TripleH1976 and I engaged in a debate in the article’s discussion page. His contributions to that debate have been liberally sprinkled with personal insults and name-calling. That’s not acceptable.

But what concerns me more is that, now that the article has been unprotected (by someone other than yourself), I am going to again attempt to correct the many errors in it. And I suspect that, even though TripleH1976 has conceded in the discussion that I have made good points, in view of how emotional he gets and given his history of vandalism, he is going to again vandalize my attempts to improve the article. 196.15.168.40 04:43, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your concern. Please read Wikipedia:Protection policy, from which I quote: "A protection is not an endorsement of the current version. Instead, go to the talk page and attempt to resolve the dispute." If you haven't been able to resolve your dispute with TripleH1976, I suggest you enter dispute resolution. You may also wish to read, The Wrong Version. howcheng {chat} 06:24, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: IFD

Thanks for the tip... I was a bit confused because of the "and uploaded after May 4, 2006" thing on Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Is there any difference between {{nrd}} and {{frn}}? Chaos syndrome 20:24, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

I take it that the lack of fair use rationale on those images is not sufficient grounds for deletion then? Chaos syndrome 20:31, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for the explanation. I was merely erring on the side of caution in dealing with a user who has had a bit of a record for a somewhat lax interpretation of copyright. Chaos syndrome 20:52, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Daniel Imperato

Daniel Imperato has filed with the FEC and it has been validated by sources such as the Palm Beach Post and the Sun Sentinel, major papers in the South Florida area. Since then he has been receiving local and national tv coverage most recently being on ABC News National. I found this on Google:

ABC News: The Note Futures Calendar13, 2006: Daniel Imperato and Webster Brooks announce the creation of the "Independent America" party and their intentions to run on the ticket for the 2008 ... abcnews.go.com/Politics/TheNote/story?id=140388 - Similar pages

Whoever thought that he wasn't notable before certainly can't say that now. I think his page should be put back up.

Quote marks

Regarding this edit...

Please remember that punctuation should be outside of quote marks, thus "Maid of Orleans", and not "Maid of Orleans,". Cheers, violet/riga (t) 18:19, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

I didn't realize that was WP style. I learned Turabian in high school, which always put the punctuation inside the quote marks. Thanks. howcheng {chat} 18:28, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Sam Sloan announcement

"I did not 'attempt' to post 100 chess biographies on Wikipedia. I did post 100 chess biographies on Wikipedia. All but one of them is still there. I merely waited until [ Rook wave ], [ Phr ] and Louis Blair were not looking and reposted them. I added a new biography yesterday and no I am not going to tell you where it is for fear that they will vandalize it again." - Sam Sloan ([email protected], NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.199.110.255, 11 Jul 2006 05:23:13 -0700) http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.chess.misc/msg/f245a0650c22f010?hl=en

"My Biography of Dimitrije Bjelica" - Sam Sloan ([email protected], NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.199.110.255, Sun, 16 Jul 2006 19:09:34 GMT) http://groups.google.com/group/samsloan/msg/eefc91bb2aeda9d0?hl=en http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimitrije_Bjelica - Louis Blair (July 19, 2006)

Re: NBA logos

Thanks for the tip Punctured Bicycle 21:47, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

RE: Commons

Wow, really? I didn't know that, because I saw it is a "free repository of images", and I thought that didn't have to be useful images. Thanks for telling me that. Cheers! GeorgeMoney ^(talk) 09:15, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion/2006 July 13

I haven't really kept myself informed about the ifd process. Thanks for the tip. I'll make note of it. --Jtalledo (talk) 11:30, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Picture of the day/August 11, 2006

Hi, this is regarding your comment on Nichalp's page. Can I request you to move the map as POTD for August 15 as the date is Indian independence day. -- Lost 07:31, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Done. howcheng {chat} 16:53, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks a lot -- Lost 16:58, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for putting it up. It's looks ok, though I've made a small modification to the blurb. Regards, =Nichalp «Talk»= 12:05, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

re POTD captions

My tweaking of the captions is a direct response to the discussion now archived at Talk:Main Page/Archive 74#pirate, where people wanted the caption to be more like an actual caption in describing the picture instead of merely just copying a lead from an article. Of course, on the subject of stating the obvious, there is always a fine line between what WP:1SP#State the obvious says ("State facts which may be obvious to you, but are not necessarily obvious to the reader") and what you said ("it sounds a little condescending to me"). I would rather err on the former, especially when many of the photography books that I have seen or own do indicate in their captions when a photo is an aerial view. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 06:56, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Unwanted images

Hi, when uploading some images I made several fairly small revisions to the image file (mostly to do with the bounding box) to get the images to work in thumbnail form. This has left a few previous versions hanging around, could you please delete the previous versions of Image:16CygBbOrbit.svg and Image:47UmaOrbits.svg - the current versions are fine (at least until the orbital parameters get updated again :-p) Chaos syndrome 18:22, 25 July 2006 (UTC)