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As of mid-January 2006, I'm back to work and will be less available to Wikipedia for at least the next six months. I'll be on contract, writing functional and technical specifications at Active Voice for their next major product release. -- Jmabel | Talk 01:26, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Archived

Stray barnstars

"Dixie", "Dixie's Land", "I Wish I Was in Dixie"

Jmabel is awarded this Working Man's Barnstar for his dedicated efforts in disambiguation and redirection.

Hey, Joe. In doing my research on "Dixie", I came to realize that locating the article at "Dixie's Land" — one title for the song, but not by far the most common or popular title — was a mistake. I requested a move to Dixie (song), which was just granted. In going through and changing all "Dixie's Land" links to point to "Dixie (song)", I noticed that you were the one that had changed them all in the first place. So I apologize for having put you to all that trouble for my one bone-headed page move. Also, please accept:

—BrianSmithson 03:43, 5 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Tillie Blobbs Theatre Award

File:Marie Dressler comic photo.JPG
The Tillie Blobbs Theatre Award for Excellence in articles relating to Yiddish Theatre. Presented by WikiProject Theatre.

On behalf of WikiProject Theatre, I'd like to present the Tillie Blobbs Theatre Award to you for your tireless and excellent work in the area of Yiddish Theatre. This award, named for the character created by Canadian-American actress Marie Dressler, is given to those Wikipedians who have contributed to the area of theatre. Congratulations! *Exeunt* Ganymead Dialogue? 08:58, 23 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to thank all the little people who made this possible... -- Jmabel | Talk 17:43, 23 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

More strays

For services performed to the cause of Attila the Hun jokes above and beyond the call of duty

← I'm not sure whether to reward you or hit you for that, so I'm doing both. *thwack* --fvw* 06:37, September 1, 2005 (UTC)

For all your hard work concerning Wikipedia:Pages needing translation into English, I hereby award you this Working Man's Barnstar. FireFox T C 20:22, 1 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I, JCarriker, reward you one silver wikibuck, for your expansion of the wikibio project. Caution: Not recognized as currency except by: Elbonia, Franistan, Sealand, and people obssesed with Angela Beesley.



Mo.wp

Hi Joe. You've received a reply to the message you left at mo:Wikipedia:Alegeri. In the meantime I had translated your message into Romanian for those who don't speak English there. The reply is also in Romanian. Basically it refers to, in your words, "the basis for stopping a group of people from pursuing this project if they want to." If you need help in reading the thing please let me know. Cheers. — AdiJapan ☎ 14:29, 11 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

List of Stalinists

Actually, H. Bruce Franklin is on the list because last time around you said "There are avowed Stalinists: H. Bruce Franklin, under whom I studied, Kim Jong-Il, and (missing from the list) Bob Avakian." Was there something in particular that changed your mind? Anyway, you can remove him if you think he's not appropriate. I would keep Kim Jong-il off the list since he's properly a Kimilsungist, not a Stalinist. Gazpacho 10:47, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

refs

you don't have to remind me. it worked. thx! [1]

  • and take 30 seconds to read this [2].

SchmuckyTheCat 04:44, 15 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

DYK

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--Gurubrahma 12:52, 16 January 2006 (UTC) [reply]

Wikiproject anti-war, Article improvement drive

February 15, 2003 anti-war protest an article from the WikiProject Anti-war, which you are listed as a member of, has been nominated for the Article Improvement Drive (by me ).

It is an article about a day of much importance both to the history of the anti-war movement and to general discussion of the Iraq war. With a little work from experienced editors it could gain FA status. If you would like to see it improved please vote for it at Make "February 15, 2003 anti-war protest" the subject of an Article Improvement Drive--JK the unwise 13:13, 16 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

DYK

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Subotica

"I don't doubt your numbers at Subotica, but could you please cite your sources?"

Numbers are from the official publication of the Serbian statistical office. Here is their web site:

You can download this data in PDF format there. I do not know exactly which one of those PDF documents is that one. I think it is this one:

  • Књига 3: " Вероисповест, матерњи језик и национална или етничка припадност према старости и полу - подаци по општинама"

(приказ садржаја, pdf формат - 442KB )

However, it is in Serbian Cyrillic, I do not know would you be able to read this. PANONIAN (talk) 04:42, 17 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I usually cite my sources when I think that those sources are really important and when they speak much about the subject (in this case the subject is Subotica). I did not thought that it would be important to cite a source which speak only about one section of the Subotica article, but I could cite those sources as well in the future. By the way, I have one question for you: why you are so interested in this Subotica article? Do you have some personal connections with this city or something like that or you just like the article? PANONIAN (talk) 15:06, 17 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Meetup/Seattle3

I notice in all the pictures that Jmabel seems to be doing all the talking. ;-) ---Bloblaw 10:24, 17 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

West Bank

Hi Joe, I liked your edit to this article. I've expanded it a bit more to mention, inter alia, that it's in the Middle East and part of the Palestinian Territories. You might like to have a look at my changes. I am rather afraid I will get jumped on!

Incidentally, I have rooted out a quote about the SSNP and fascism, which will no doubt provide party apologists with plenty of fun. Palmiro | Talk 11:49, 17 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ethnic clashes of Targu Mures

Hi Joe, there is a debate on this article, could you have a look at the history and the talk page and give you opinion? Despite its contentious nature, this page was left in peace for quite some time, but now a nasty trench warfare is evolving (with some nationalistic overtones), and the quality of the article is dropping rapidly. Given the widely divergent interpretations of the events in 1990, this comes as no surprise, but it's still quite disappointing. --Tamas 17:24, 17 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dead entertainers

Hi, in the light of this, you might be interested in this. Mark1 11:04, 18 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dumbfounded (Spanish cuisine)

Good one. That sentence had me completely stumped. | Klaw ¡digame! 14:56, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

VfD: Jews and non-Jews

Hello Joe: Please see and VOTE at two important Vote/s for Deletion (VfD): at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Contemporary persecution of non-Jews by Jews and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ancient persecution of non-Jews by Jews. Best wishes and Shabbat Shalom! IZAK 06:51, 20 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Surprised

Hi Joe. I just stumbled upon this request for Bonaparte's unblocking here and I saw the list of his main contributions to Wikipedia. I said, hmm, let's see what he could be proud of, and checked a few. Well, I must say I was pretty surprised to see things I didn't think he could ever write. I mean good stuff. What strikes me is that in those articles (I checked specifically his contribution alone) his English is a lot better than in the discussion pages and he is very articulate in a number of very different fields (linguistics, zoology, education, etc.). This is enough for me to realize that he could not have written those articles himself, but on the other hand I was unable to google out even one sentence from those articles. Do you have any idea what could be going on? In some articles he gives books as references, so it could be that he just typed passages from those books. Still, I am surprised to see this side of Bonaparte. Do you know more? — AdiJapan ☎ 18:32, 20 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

:es:Ignacio Zuloaga xlation/incorporation into en:I.Z. done

Hi. Per recommended practices, this is just an FYI that your request for the es:I.Z. xlation into English has been incorporated into the en:I.Z. article. Feedback is welcome. -thanks, -Onceler 11:50, 22 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

SSNP

Joe, do you think you might have time to do a bit of a copyedit to this? While I've added a good bit of information I'm not sure how well it hangs together textually, but I don't feel particularly up to copyediting it myself, as it can be tricky to do this with stuff you have written yourself. Regards, Palmiro | Talk 21:07, 22 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the kind comment! I quite understand your position, being pretty heavily committed workwise as well, and I'm glad you think it's OK as it stands. Palmiro | Talk 21:14, 22 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Left a reply on my talk page. – Doug Bell talk•contrib 00:28, 23 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Spanish Translation of the Week

Manele

Hi. The article on manele refers to the music in the entire Southeastern European region, so I think the naşpa insertion is not particularly appropriate, since it's a Romanian word. Naşpa is the short form of naşparliu, which, in its original meaning, means something akin to witty (it's similar to "golănaş", and isn't used as an insult). At least that's how it's used in Transylvania. AFAIK, its new usage in Bucharest is slightly different - naşparliu is sometimes used as a synonym for those who try to be "cool" or "trendy". The "naşpa" character may be characterised by poor taste and manners (prost gust), self-centredness, an inconsiderate nature (nesimţire), and a like of manele, which has a poor reputation. It's used to refer to those, often from low-education backgrounds, who want to appear as trendy and "up there" but do so in poor taste. The term is often - quite unjustly - likened to Roma urban culture sometimes. So, the addition has some grounding, since naşpa is used in some contexts as a negative term. The article should probably explain the situation more clearly, however. Thanks, Ronline ✉ 00:07, 24 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The usage with the negative connotation sounds very much like the american slang "poser" (which does not seem to have an article though its mentioned in several skateboarding artciles, where it originated). Just curious as new vocabulary is always fun, and just seeing if I understood the connotation. Dalf | Talk 02:27, 24 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Somewhat, though a "poser" is more likely to be a downwardly mobile spoiled rich kid than an overreaching underclass striver. -- Jmabel | Talk 04:26, 24 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
True especially in the more common usage of poser, though I have seen it used as a more equal opportunity insult recently. Either way I can't see myself using naşpa in any coversation in the short term. Dalf | Talk 05:24, 24 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Feminists

Thanks for your work on The Feminists, but it probably isn't the best choice to add an expansion request for to the Systematic Bias template. There just isn't more stuff on Google about them - I looked fairly extensively. The article is incomplete, but without off-web research, it's going to stay that way. I suspect there are more productive articles to expand to add to the CSB template. GRuban 16:51, 24 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Do I understand you to be saying that CSB should only look into topics that are already well-covered on the Web? As one of the people who started CSB, I can say without qualification that one of the main goals of the project was to improve coverage in areas that are not well-covered on the web. That is precisely one of Wikipedia's systemic biases: if something is not already on the Web someplace, it tends to slip through our cracks. -- Jmabel | Talk 01:30, 25 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
(suitably humbled and abashed) Well, um, no, your excellency, sir. This unworthy one was merely daring to suggest that other articles that are at least somewhat more covered on the Web might be more productive, in the sense that if we added them to the template, they would actually get expanded, while The Feminists, no matter how worthy, would quite possibly stay more or less the size it was until Ti-Grace Atkinson joined the Eagle Forum. But please forgive my presumption as youthful inexperience, your plenipotentiaryness, and I shall not speak of it again. Jmabel is always right. I will work harder. (pounds head on floor repeatedly, and backs away on his knees) GRuban 13:48, 25 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not going to ask you to apologize for the tone of that, but I am going to say that if you continue to address me in that tone, expect to make an enemy. I don't know about you, but probably a third of what I do is from print, and I doubt that I'm the only Wikipedian who still knows how to read a book. If you want to remove that particular request of mine from the template, fine. But if you want to argue that Wikipedia can become a first-rate general reference while writing only on topics that are already well-covered online, I think you are dead wrong. -- Jmabel | Talk 16:52, 25 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. No, I don't want to argue for that, I'm just in favor of going for the "low hanging fruit" first. GRuban 17:26, 25 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Great(er) Romania

Dear Jmabel, I'm surprised by your remark that "Great Romania always stuck in my craw as unlikely English". Does it also happen with "Great Britain"? I believe not, and I feel somehow discriminated. FYI, "Romania Mare" is not a term coined after 1944, but in the period Romania was infdeed great. At the time, it conveyed the same greatness idea as "Great Britain" does. And the country name is used today as a historic reference.

Let's now take a look at the "Greater Romania" party, where you voted for a name change (actually, the vote took place on the "Vadim Tudor" page, a page that I don't really follow). It seems to me that there are some problems with this vote, given that its subject was the change of the official name of a party. There must be some wikipedia rule against changing official names and their official translations.

Can you please comment?Dpotop 11:10, 25 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I believe it's the second time you explain the English-language point of view to me. Thanks (sincerely). It appears that English has no exact translation of the term, unless the "Grand" version applies. I added some more comments to the "Vadim Tudor" page, where I argue why I believe that "Greater Romania" is not ok for either the historical entity, nor the party. I don't care much for the party (it's wikipedia that suffers in this way), but I still don't agree with the translation of the name of the political entity. Maybe "Big Romania" works. :) Dpotop 17:19, 25 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Systemic bias

It's my fault. I pushed both Cyberpunk and Three Laws of Robotics to FA status. (Did You Know that Isaac Asimov has three Featured Articles—himself, the Three Laws and the Foundation Series?) On the plus side, I used printed references for both, so at least Wikipedia's coverage of technocentric nerdy topics isn't just rehashing the rest of the Web. And I tried to make up for it, even a little, with omnipotence paradox, the article which on odd days convinces me the wiki process doesn't work.

I second your choice of favourite books and movies, particularly the Pynchon, Nabokov and Keaton. Anville 19:49, 26 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Jello Biafra

Hi Jmabel. I was wondering if you'd like to take part in the voting process for Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Jello Biafra. As I know that you have a good knowledge of such subject matter, you're opinion would be very useful. Thanks in advance. -- LGagnon 01:59, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

DYK

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Bible verses and chapters on Wikipedia

Hi Joe: Shavua Tov ! It is important that you see the following proposed Wikipedia policy pages and their discussion pages at Wikipedia:Centralized discussion/Verses of 1 Kings 4 and 5 AND Wikipedia:Centralized discussion/Whole bible chapter text. Thanks for giving this matter your serious attention before discussion is closed and the "policy" is set. IZAK 09:28, 29 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Follow up: Bug report

I am attempting to organise WP:BUG. You filed bug reports concerning a disappearing left navigation bar and an overly wide edit box. May I ask, do the problems persist? -- Ec5618 13:32, 29 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

To the best of my knowledge, fixed, but I've changed so much about my computer since that time (browser, screen resolution) that I wouldn't know. -- Jmabel | Talk 18:35, 29 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. So you're saying it was a problem with your setup somehow. Good to know. -- Ec5618 19:03, 29 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipediology Elections

Voting for the positon of Regent Ñ will begin on February 5th at the voting page. All candidates should list themselves there before then. Please take the time to vote, and become more active in the Wikipediology Institute. Thanks - Pureblade | Θ 04:38, 30 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

redesigned template.

Please review Template talk:Jewish language#redesign. Thanks for your time. Tomertalk 17:47, 30 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

For some reason "Hebrew" and "Judeo-Persian" are hanging out further left than the rest of the text. I haven't futzed around w/ the markup enough to figure out why. Any input would be appreciated. Tomertalk 19:22, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

GermanGov tag

Hi there, you recently uploaded an image under the {{GermanGov}} licence. This tag is invalid, and all images so tagged are now at Wikipedia:Possibly_unfree_images#All_images_in_Category:German_government_images. Please re-tag as appropiate. Pilatus 03:49, 31 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Machine translations

Indeed, I asked my question about what to do with these beasts in two places. I would love to nominate Babelfished articles (e.g. all the German stuff in Category:Rough translations) for deletion, but I fear that the result will be that some helpful soul will try to clean up the Babelfish mess and then nobody at AfD will want to let that editor's work go to waste, and a real retranslation will still be necessary (and time and effort will have been wasted). I don't think an article such as [3] would be deleted, because the topic is so clearly notable. I would like to see something like a global policy "Never use machine translation and delete anything that looks like it on sight" but am not sure how to actually achieve that as a policy. So for now, if I manage to turn two or three of these monsters into short stubs that are in remotely decent English (I am not a native speaker), I think the end result is better than trying to delete, but I would like to be proved wrong. Happy editing, Kusma (討論) 05:09, 31 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Guernica

You added {{wikify}} to Guernica (painting). Doesn't look unwikified to me. What's the problem? - Jmabel | Talk 05:08, 31 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

User:Sibahi added the wikify tag last week. It looks plenty wikified to me. >>sparkit|TALK<< 05:16, 31 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

& other things

P.S. I see you are here in the Emerald City, too!
Yes. But I don't think we've met. You haven't been at any of the meetups, have you? (I live in Wedgwood and currently am working downtown.) - Jmabel | Talk 05:26, 31 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
We've not met. I haven't been to a meetup, but I'll keep an eye out for the next one. I live near Northgate and tomorrow I finish a contract job downtown. >>sparkit|TALK<< 05:37, 31 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
We just had one 2 weeks ago (Wikipedia:Meetup/Seattle3); you might want to watchlist Wikipedia:Meetup/Seattle4 for when we start to plan the next one.
I see you work on a lot on art topics. Do I have any hope of recruiting you to flesh out the article on Jacob Lawrence and maybe even start one on Gwendolyn Knight? They've long been on my list, but I've never gotten to them. -- Jmabel | Talk 05:44, 31 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It might be awhile, but I'll see what I can do. >>sparkit|TALK<< 00:41, 3 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Kronstadt Rebellion

You state that my editing of the page was 'vandalism' - I am willing to accept that, in the sense that it was a deliberate provocation. I was trying to draw attention to the fact that 'Max Rspct' constantly reverses any posts that do not fit with his Anarchist POV. Now obviously I have an axe to grind here, in that I am a Trotskyist, so I am pretty much bound to be opposed to his POV. But until this edit, I had not deleted his POV at all, only made minor edits where he has posted something that was unsubstantiated. However, whenever I. or anyone else, post anything giving a balance to the article, he deletes it. No discussion, no balance, just deleted. This is not right, and it is precisely why I deleted the page as I did.

In fact, my edit summary was not incorrect, the page that I left was no less unbalanced and POV than the one I deleted.

You need to 'have a word' with Max Rspct and keep an eye on his constant reversals of other people's additions to the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trotboy (talk • contribs) 31 Jan 2006

Two votes for you

Hi Joe: Please see votes at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Criticism of the Bible and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Inconsistencies in the Bible. Best wishes, IZAK 12:54, 1 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Propaganda Due & Ceaucescu membership

It seems that Ceaucescu was a member of Propaganda Due masonic lodge, involved in quite a few terrorist acts. Maybe you'll want to have a look, and translate any info about that given by the reference. Santa Sangre

For starters, citation:

I'll see what I can do on this when I get some time. This is long and someone else may have more time than I to work on it. - Jmabel | Talk 19:24, 1 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There is just a link toward this source, pointing to a relationship between Ceaucescu and P2, but it is not explained in the article itself. Thks for any help of all kinds - for the time being, i'll just put a cautious note on P2 refering to the article, as to incite toward better verification and inclusion. Santa Sangre

Starting translation of http://www.lumeam.ro/nr4_2000/politica.html; help would be welcome, there's a reason I only claim "ro-2" on my user page. This is not an easy text, so I might have misunderstood any one thing, but I think I have it basically right:

Politics and secret services

General Nicolae PLESITA
"Ceauşescu was tied to Freemasonry through Propaganda Due"

The political algorithm is not that which was sought in the name of the conducator in the Army, Secret Services, Church and School

Nothing moves in the world without the involvement of the Masons

Licio Gelli was both Mason and mafioso

For whom did you have the deepest gratitude?
For Constantin Daicoviciu. He gave me the most significant patriotic education. In 1940, after the Vienna Diktat, Ciano came from Rome, sent by Mussolini to see how to apply raptul (literally: "the rape") in favor of Hungary. Daicoviciu and Hateganu, rectors of the Faculty of Medicine in Cluj, together with other young intellectuals, gathered by the statue of the she-wolf in the plaza and put there a slogan in the speech of the Banat: Duce, duce, ia-t cataua si t-o...!. [I think there is a pun here on Il Duce (Mussolini) and duce which can variously mean "to take", "to leave", or "to resist", but I'm lost here] He had looked for (I-au cautat, I might have misunderstood that) Horthyists above all . Daicoviciu fled to Sibiu, where he remained until the end of the war.

In 1945, after the entry of the Russians into Cluj, Horthyists and all collaborationists were co-opted into all leadership functions. In the name of "popular democracy"!

Political police
I sent a message to President Emil Constantinescu. I saw him talking about Securitate, as I (they) hadn't heard anyone say in a long time. Not even Ticu Dumitrescu [head of the National Council for the Study of former Securitate] was so vehement and so wrong. The Archives are full of the names of ţaraniştilor [adherents of the Peasant Party] and liberals. Emil Constantinescu sustains that Securitate still today represents a great danger, that reforms cannot be realized because of Securitate people. After ten years, Securitatea is guilty of other gaffes. Beginning in the 1970s, Securitate acted - in various forms - against the totalitarian, utopian and anachronistic regime. Sure, the special services weren't disidents and didn't form a conspiracy, but there were works of resistance, they hadn't exactly applied "invaluable indications" [that's literal, but I have no idea what it means], as I had also proceded in the Jiu Valley. At times, they even acted frontally.

Does Securitate still exist?
What Securitate? Like the detractors say? There's always been political police, and technical police, but not in the pure state. If you pursue political adversaries to discredit them politically, then you have political police. Confratii mei au valizele pregatite, ca toate catanele, si eu ii chem pe toti sa mergem la Cotroceni My confrères had valises prepared, with all catanele[I don't know this word], if I called on them all to go to Cotroceni.

…This goes on at great length; cutting to the relevant passage:

Oculta
It has been affirmed that Masonry overthrew Ceauşescu. Is it true?
Yes. There has never existed nor will exist anything in the world without the involvement of the Masons. Masoneria actioneaza insa conjunctural. [I'm not confident in translating that: I get "Masonry acts bu conjuncturally", and I'm not sure I have the precise sense of that]. There is a big similarity between special services and Masonry. Were there Masons in the secret services?
There were and one would not rule out that there are now. Their activities are not always hidden. They have the obiective of a universal republic. We have as a scope the national state. Here they won't keep interfering if we become an irreconcilable adversary. Masons helped the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia and they also contributed to the liquidation of communism when that regime obtained nationalist characteristics. Was Ceauşescu a Mason?
I didn't know Licio Gelli. But I know the works... Indirectly, Masonry was heavily tied to Ceauşescu through Propaganda Due.

My reaction to all this? The former Securitate general and foreign intelligence service chief, one of the "red fascists" (my view) who turned Communism into a form of Romanian ultra-nationalism, believes in a grand Masonic conspiracy. Keep in mind that this is the former employer of Carlos the Jackal, who, according to Arnaud de Borchgrave (admittedly, not an unimpeachable source himself) still "incite[s] former subordinates to assassinate the 'traitors who defected to the enemy.'" [4] I, for one, would give him no more credence than when he was in Ceauşescu's employ. - Jmabel | Talk 19:35, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot for your help! I gather that "invaluable indications" is a governmental technical term (a bit like a fatwa, if you excuse the apples & banana comparison or whatever!); and I assume that "Masoneria actioneaza insa conjunctural" means that masonry, like intelligence agencies, act in the "conjuncture". It doesn't seem like this word is often used in English, but it's common in Marxism as opposed to structural (conjunctural causes vs. structural causes). Conjuncture is related to an event and to the impossibility of planning it. For example, the spark which lights a revolution is always conjunctural: this or this shooting may start it. But the deep causes between it are structural: the revolution would have happened anyway, if not in 1905, than in 1917. See this example taken from the Analytical marxism entry:
"According to this view, analytical Marxism wrongly characterises intellectual activity as occurring in isolation from the struggles constitutive of its social and political conjuncture, and at the same time does little to intervene in that conjuncture."
Henceforth, I gather that "conjunctural" here means that masonry, as intelligence agencies, is not tied down by their ideological opinions, and often let those aside to practice "realpolitik", arguing that specific historic conjuncture gives no choice than to ally with sworn enemies. Ceaucescu's alleged involvement with P2 is certainly a surprise for me, but this is easily explainable by my lack of knowledge concerning him. However, Licio Gelli is known to be a man with connections crossing the whole political board, and, underneath the West/East opposition of the Cold War, we can be fairly sure that the intelligence & underground world have been in contact together, one way or another. Furthermore, it probably comes as no great surprise to neither of us that "red fascists" could ally themselves, one way or the other, with plain old-fashioned neofascists.
Reading your translation, I also agree with you that Nicolae PLESITA doubtlessly is one of those anti-mason conspiracy theorists commonly found among fascists (by the way, if he was head of Securitate, maybe we could include his name in the Securitate entry?) However, my attention was brought to this article because of the numerous references to Licio Gelli, headmaster of P2, and this is no conspiracy theory (Licio Gelli is, as of 2006, under investigation for allegations of involvement in the murder of Roberto Calvi, in charge of the Banco Ambrosiano which krached early 1980s in very suspicious circumstances...) Henceforth, notwithstanding Plesita's personal views, I do think that the article deserves a cautious "by the way" mention in the P2 article, until someone can help us complete the picture (there are other occurences of Gelli further on, but I'm already very grateful to you for this job! leave it to somebody who wants to work on P2 entry :). This is the strange things about sources from intelligence agencies: working in this world of continuous duplicity one wonders if they still maintain some links with their respective ideology (and realpolitik is also an ideology), or if they've abandonned any political ideals to concern themselves with money, domination & others... However, in their multiple lies and half-truths, they often give some real truth. And these doubtful sources (doubtful because they come from such people) are more often than not the only sources we have. To put it in other words: I am no advocate of conspiracy theories, which I think simplists (as if some guy or group could keep control of what's happening!), but I do acknowledge the existence of intelligence agencies, cults, P2, mafia, and rather disturbing relationships between all those underground actors of politics. The largest mistake these people make (and this remind me of a film on the STASI and its lack of understanding the fall of the Berlin Wall): they think that the world works according to their conspiracy plots, while the huge majority of people are not conspiracists, do not want such conspiracies, and acts because they believe in certain things, are hungry or simply are in bad mood. Conjuncture is such a thing: all the unexplainable tiny causes which at the end, create a political event, with which these intelligence agencies must deal with, but which they haven't create all by themselves. Well, I got a bit carried away!... Cheers anyway! Santa Sangre 20:51, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'll be transfering your translation at Propaganda Due talk page in order to let others complete it, if you don't mind? (I'm waiting for your response before). Santa Sangre 20:54, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
All right. Actually, if you really don't mind, I would be interested by the last passages were Licio Gelli is named, mainly the paragraph "Dupa 1990, s-au inchis dosarele masonilor" at the end (finishing at "E cea mai calificata lupta de pe frontul invizibil.", just before the questions about "folkloric variances" and Pekin, Pragua and 1848, and the last paragraph "Pacepa l-a adus pe masonul Licio Gelli". If it really does seem to be only anti-masonic crap, don't bother, but I'm interested by any possible visits, displacements, meetings, etc. Again, thanks! Santa Sangre

Freem@sonry

I hope the additions I have made will overcome your scepticism!(Harrypotter 23:28, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

DYK

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Pattern

Yes, I know just the pattern you mean, and yes, it leaves few alternatives for other editors. user:Jacrosse has been asked by me and other editors to please be more communicative. This predates the Paleocon article and extends across his extensive contributions to political articles. -Will Beback 06:37, 3 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You may want to skim over Talk:Paleoconservatism#Prominent paleos and seq. material. user:Jacrosse apparently believes that having racist beliefs is incompatible with being a paleoconservative. Since MacDonald is not politically active, his exact political camp is perhaps not important. To the extent that paleoconservatism is a cultural movement, he might belong. I guess it depends on how Occidental Quarterly is deemed. They call themselves a third branch of conservatism, which they don't name but which others politely call "nationalism". As for the exact matter of calling MacDonald a "paleoconservative", we can do two things. First, we can find references to notable critics using that label. Second, we can make sure that our summary of his expressed opinions includes those that would lead one to believe that the label applies. Perhaps one of the difficulties with MacDonald as a subject is that his works are sometimes cited by groups with whom he does not necessarily agree. -Will Beback 07:01, 3 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Affirmative action in Belgium

Could you please provide a citation for this claim? Thanks. - Jmabel | Talk 05:28, 29 January 2006 (UTC) Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:1652186"

Here it is: [5]. I've added it to the article as well. I didn't find anything in English, but putting it through a web-based translator should be sufficient to check the content. 1652186 17:09, 3 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

1.0 Collaboration of the Week

Hi, I noticed you signed up as a member of the Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team, which is looking to identify quality articles in Wikipedia for future publication on CD or paper. Recently, a 1.0 Collaboration of the Week was created to work on essential topics that are in need of improvement, which will ultimately go in a release version of Wikipedia. You can help by voting, contributing to an article, or simply making a comment. Thank you for your support. :) Gflores Talk 08:06, 4 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Redid the Catalan people page

Greetings Jmabel. I wanted the input of as many people as possible on the Catalan people page who have shown some interest in the past so I was just dropping you a line. Thanks. Tombseye 19:40, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

CfD: Category:Wikipedian Chazanim

Hi Joe: Can you believe this: Category:Wikipedian Chazanim ? I have thus nominated it for deletion, see Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 February 5#Category:Wikipedian Chazanim. Thanks. IZAK 20:59, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there, you will have noticed that Image:Gestapo anti-gay telex.jpg (and Image:Genehmigung.jpg) are now tagged {{PD-inelegible}}. This ought to fly with German copyright law - see the image description page for the telex for the reasoning.

I'm just griping here a little you said on WP:PUI "So are you saying that our … article on Paragraph 175 cannot reproduce a telex … because … it is copyrighted by the Gestapo and we don't have their permission to use it?" Images are useful, yet so many of those aren't properly attributed, and we can't really claim fair use unless we know what is on the picture and who took it. (The telex that you uploaded is actually sourced, so it's just me moaning about the disgraceful state of image copyright at .en.wikipedia. The guys at .de.wikipedia are better in control.) Pilatus 02:34, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

KDRGibby

Can you please evaluate KDRGibby's latest additions to gift economy as I know you are knowledgable in this area and have maintained the article before. He asserts that economist Milton Friedman's arguments against alternatives to free market economics applies as "criticism" of a gift economy as there is no incentive, despite the fact that a gift economics applies in limited concepts between individuals (ie. mixed economy) and that such incentives exist, moderately, as you know. He also asserts that some pamphlet/online book advocating privatisation of everything that doesn't deal with gift economics per se applies in this sense. Elle vécut heureuse à jamais (Be eudaimonic!) 04:48, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Published

You wrote on Jimbo's talkpage that you have published work of your own. Was it literature? --Candide, or Optimism 05:29, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I replied on my talkpage to keep the discussion gathered in one place. --Candide, or Optimism 06:11, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Nation

Thanks for your response to the RfC. Although most of those of commented oppose Jtdirl's move, he doesn't seem to be communicating, except to revert any attempt to implement the majority view. Neither he nor anyone else has voiced objection to my suggestion that the matter be taken up at Wikipedia:Requested moves. I don't want to list it there now, though, because then he'll claim that he must prevail unless there's a consensus against him. Would you be willing to restore the situation that existed for two years without squabble? That means moving The Nation (U.S. periodical) back to The Nation. It already has a note at the top linking to the dab page (a link that makes no sense now, of course). As soon as you do that, I'll put it on W:RM, "requesting" Jtdirl's change and opposing my own suggestion. Otherwise, it seems we'll just go on with the reverts. Thanks! JamesMLane t c 06:02, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I understand your point, but I think setting the articles correctly will make Wikipedia more user-friendly by saving many readers from going through the dab page. JamesMLane t c 08:17, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The issue of what article should be at this title has been placed on Wikipedia:Requested moves. You can offer your vote and comment here: Talk:The Nation#Article title. JamesMLane t c 06:54, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Shining Path

Thanks for the comments on Shining Path. I am totally unfamiliar with wikipedia citation guidelines, so I'm sure I didn't do a very good job with it. You seem to have a very good handle on Cite.php, so if you see any mistakes I made, correct away. I'd really like to make that article a lot better. I've read a lot of books and articles on the Shining Path, probaby all that are available in English, and I'd be nice to use them to add citations to the article. I think that it is good as is, but there is a lot of room for improvement. --Descendall 12:53, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Paul Bern

The protected version does represent consensus, thanks for checking. -Drdisque 07:46, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The proposed deletion process and WP:PNT

It would be great if you could comment on my proposal at Wikipedia talk:Pages needing translation into English concerning a possible use of the new {{prod}} procedure for deletion. It is possible that it is too early for this idea, and that using AfD still might give better results (especially if articles are AfD'd directly after midnight server time and come out at the top :-) ). However, {{prod}} seems to be made for exactly this situation of "delete unless somebody comes and works on this". Kusma (討論) 15:54, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I got a little carried away in my enthusiasm for WP:PROD. This might be a good idea, but not for right now: your concern about having to watch a different process is valid. Thank you for commenting, Kusma (討論) 02:27, 9 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

German Wikipedians' noticeboard

Greetings, Joe! Although I don't think you often contribute to German-related topics, I felt it would be worthwhile to inform you of the German Wikipedians' noticeboard, in case you would like to use it as a resource in the future. Best wishes! Olessi 01:36, 9 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"queer"?

Hi Joe: I came across this: List of Jewish American social and political scientists, and I noticed that a couple of people on it are marked as "queer theorist" ... what's that all about? There may be more of this, as someone has created a whole slew of small "lists of American Jews" which I'm now looking over. Is it the way the British refer to homosexuals? I dunno. Is it "politically correct" to call people "queer anything" on Wikipedia ? Thanks. IZAK 14:04, 9 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Queer theory will probably help, and would be the proper link for that term (I'll link it), though I don't think our article on the topic is notably good. In particular, it fails to really get into why queer theory is called what it is. It is a conscious reappropriation of a term that was, for at least a century or so, used as an insulting term. Another reappropriation of the same term is the slogan "we're here, we're queer, get used to it" or the organization Queer Nation. In this case, it is the term used by people in the field, definitely the right term for these two people. Hope that helps; if not, please reply on my talk page & I'll try to explain further. - Jmabel | Talk 16:51, 9 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Fiddler on the Roof

You fixed "subtle vandalism" in the transposition of two letters in Anatevka; it's not clear from your edit sum who did this. Just like to say: it wasn't me! John Reid 17:19, 9 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Clearly. See my explanation at User_talk:John_Reid#Fiddler_on_the_Roof; I hadn't worked out the details of the history until now. - Jmabel | Talk 18:53, 9 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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