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    Negative stereotyping + accusing of a fellow editor of "misleading"[edit]

    User:SLIMHANNYA has negatively stereotyped an entire race in the Talk:Korean influence on Japanese culture page. Also, the user has claimed others of "obviously misleading" which is against the Wikipedia:Disruptive user under "False accusations". Kolossoni (talk) 18:59, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    I used that expression because I thought it was a good analogy, and I apologize if it was a racist remark. I am not a native English speaker, and it seems there was a serious problem with the way I expressed myself. I will not use such language again. However, saying "obviously misleading" is not a false accusation. Please see the relevant talk page for more information.--SLIMHANNYA (talk) 02:23, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    negatively stereotyped an entire race Is this claim in reference to the kimchi juice comment? Because it seems pretty farfetched to say that analogy was some sort of defamatory comment. I don't see anything sanctionable here, just some misrepresentation by Kolossoni, who I also observe didn't bother to post the required notice to SLIMHANNYA's talkpage. Grandpallama (talk) 05:27, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Unless you're an admin, your two cents hold no water here. Kolossoni (talk) 06:01, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Non-admins are welcomed to comment here, and if we're really going by your logic, I don't think non-admins have a say in whose comments hold weight in this noticeboard either.
    Could you elaborate on what, if any, personal attacks the user you have reported have made? The analogy with kimchi juice doesn't seem like negatively stereotyp[ing] an entire race to me, and the quoted obviously misleading seems to be a comment on content and not other contributors. 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 06:29, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    "Kimchi" is a racist slur used by anti-Korean rhetoric propagators who stereotype the entire race as the "most commonly known food" of Korea. It is the equivalent of calling Mexicans "Salsa and Chips" or "Tacos" simply because their ethnicity is Mexican. The page was directly alluding to Koreans and their influence on Japanese history and the usage of "Kimchi juice" analogy to describe an entire race's genealogy is not only discriminating but also against Wikipedia's rules of keeping things civil and objective. Kolossoni (talk) 06:37, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    "Unless you're an admin, your two cents hold no water here." wrong Kolossoni. Admin have the tools to enforce the will of the community, we aren't the police or judges. The most helpful or insightful comments matter most, no matter who makes them. That said, I don't see how the kimchi comment was racist, even after your explanation, although I'm open to be convinced otherwise. Dennis Brown - 06:47, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I can see where you are coming from, since using kimchi as an analogy for Korean people does seem to be inappropriate. (see wikt:kimchi#Noun) I don't think this raises to the level of sanctions though. They have apologized and said they won't use this language again. Let's try to assume good faith here, as I don't think the choice of analogy was intentionally used as a racist dog whistle. 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 06:53, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    0xDeadbeef, I just want to point out that there is a difference between directly calling a person a kimchi (much like calling a German a "kraut"), which is a clear slur and what the Wiktionary link supports, and the way in which SLIMHANNYA actually used it (i.e., talking about "kimchi juice"). It may not have been wisely chosen, but it's also not as far into inappropriate as Kolossoni has cast it in their version of how it was used. Grandpallama (talk) 20:34, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Stop with your gaslighting.
    Using "kimchi" to allude to Korean genealogy in regards to a topic on Koreans is highly inappropriate. The fact that "Kimchi juice" was used, not "Orange juice", "Lemonade" or any other average analogy that would be more appropriate shouldn't prevent criticism of misusing the word. Kolossoni (talk) 20:42, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Grandpallama: Agreed, thanks for making this point. 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 08:51, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I have not called the individual a "racist" by any means. The term was brought up by other fellow members of Wikipedia. I only called out on the individual's negative stereotyping in which they have apologized. This was a safety measure in case the act continued. Kolossoni (talk) 06:56, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This sort of escalation is unnecessary. For next time, try to resolve with the person on their talk pages. We are working in a diverse place with people from very different backgrounds, so it is important that we assume people are not here to do harm unless we can be convinced otherwise.
    In this case, you have implicitly claimed that SLIMHANNYA was a disruptive user, and by bringing the matter to here have suggested that admin actions were warranted. I don't believe either of that is true. Posting to this noticeboard can give people stress, and requires admins to invest time and energy to handle what is brought here. Please reconsider whether it is necessary to post here the next time you encounter cases like this. 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 07:17, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I understand, but you must also take into consideration that the analogy was made in an article's talk page that revolves around Koreans that came out of nowhere. It is not difficult to think such claims as discriminatory especially without proper context, in which was not given.
    Like you said, it is difficult to figure out what background an individual is from, but at the same time, I doubt people would keep such negative stereotyping under the rug if it happened elsewhere. It was a hasty action on my part, but only in hindsight. I still believe a show of level of discrimination should be on high surveillance since any form of racism or negative stereotyping is not permitted on Wikipedia, regardless of whether it was a "mistake" by the individual or not.
    Thanks for the quick response though. Kolossoni (talk) 07:30, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I have not called the individual a "racist" by any means. The term was brought up by other fellow members of Wikipedia. That's false. Not only did you use the term "racist", but you incorrectly recast what SLIMHANNYA actually said (you were the one who made a racist analogy in regards to the Korean people being "Kimchi" from the start which clearly screams "agenda") on the talkpage as part of a pretty massive assumption of bad faith even after they had apologized.
    the analogy was made in an article's talk page that revolves around Koreans that came out of nowhere This is also untrue. Whatever your feelings about the analogy, it was clearly used to illustrate the point SLIMHANNYA was attempting to make. Multiple editors have now told you this wasn't a case of racism or negative stereotyping, so please stop characterizing it as such.
    I would invite admins, though, to take a look at your userpage and talk, which feature some clear WP:BATTLEGROUND comments that might explain what is going on here.
    • Your userpage states Any baseless vandalism to propagate one's agenda will be manually reverted regardless of amount or length unless it's backed by proper citation alluding to a reputable source. Talks for dispute are always welcome, but come prepared though.
    • Also on the userpage: I absolutely DETEST Japanese nationalism, Chinese nationalism and Korean nationalism, so all you Nettouyos, Wumaos and Ilbes can buzz off.
    • Complaints on the talkpage about WP requiring sources: I have tried and tried again to help you with creating translated pages for the articles you've posted, but Wikipedia's strict criteria is starting to tire me out. . . I'm not so keen in doing another edit battle with the Wikipedia mods again, but if enough sources are available, I'll see what I can do to contribute.
    None of these are sanctionable, but I think there's a clear mentality here (combined with Kolossoni's two cents response to my initial comment) that shows an over-willingness to see WP as a place to fight/argue. I think they need a caution about their approach to other editors. Grandpallama (talk) 15:23, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Addendum: They just scrubbed their talkpage of a conversation where you can see Kolossoni frequently dipping into borderline uncivil comments. Not to mention that in scrubbing most of the conversation, they selectively kept only a portion of what the other user had written. TPO gives a lot of latitude around one's own talkpage in terms of what to delete/keep, but this feels like misrepresentation of the IP's comments. Grandpallama (talk) 15:33, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    After doing some more digging into edit histories, I have filed a case at SPI. I know there is a backlog right now, but perhaps a CU who has seen this AN thread would be willing to prioritize a check? I'm now suspicious this was really about a POV-pusher trying to use this noticeboard to silence opposition. Grandpallama (talk) 17:28, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Link to the relevant SPI case.--JBL (talk) 17:53, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Kolossoni, see WP:BOOMERANG. --A. B. (talkcontribsglobal count) 23:06, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • At a minimum, this looks like meatpuppetry. At worst, it is socking and trying to use AN as a tool to silence or remove someone who disagrees with your edits. Dennis Brown - 10:48, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    I stumbled upon 2a02:c7c::/32's block log today and am not sure what exactly I'm looking at. An indefinite partial /32 rangeblock, anon-only, for whack-a-mole responses until the page limit of 10 for such a block is reached? Is 2A02:C7C:3E09:A400::/64 related? Four pages were affected – do I now add them to the block?

    This is strange. Does the block have to be indefinite? Sadly we can't see how many edits have been prevented by it, but my guess would be that for every prevented edit, another attempt was made to a non-blocked page. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 00:03, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Oh, there are 10 pages in the block already! Perhaps we can now start indefinitely blocking two /33s at the same time, and then four /34s for every page that needs to be added. 😉 ~ ToBeFree (talk) 00:19, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't know the history of the block. 2A02:C7C:CB99:5F00:0:0:0:0/64 has made nonsense edits to Gin Wigmore three times in the last few days, and also edits to other articles which are outside my areas of interest. I was planning to partial range block the /64, and would have done so for a few days, but noticed the existing /32 block and decided to add to that, as other users of this SKY UK IP range are unlikely to be interested in the NZ singer.
    Clearly the /32 range has some problematic editors. It probably also has productive editors. I'm happy to remove my part of the block and apply it to the /64 for a limited period instead, and perhaps other admins who added to the indefinite block would consider doing the same.-Gadfium (talk) 00:39, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I re-examined the ranges for the targets I added; none of them need to apply to the entire /32 range, so you're free to clear Forest Gate Community School and List of Super Smash Bros. series characters from the block if someone wants to refactor it. That's a pretty big range, but so far I haven't seen any LTAs that seem to be bouncing across the entire /32 (Jefté and Super Smash could be addressed with a /39 range, and Deglet Nour can be addressed with a /64 range). I wouldn't impose an indefinite block on a range without discussing it with other involved admins; even for really bad ranges, it's not a big deal to renew every few years. OhNoitsJamie Talk 02:27, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • My contribution was adding Talk:British Post Office scandal & Talk:World Book Day to the block. Personally I would not have made an indefinite block, and I had misgivings about adding to it, but it seemed more straightforward to just add to the existing block than anything else. Perhaps it would have been better if I had instead opened a discussion, as ToBeFree has now done.
    • Looking at the editing histories of the two pages I have mentioned I can't see any reason for a block of more than /64. I am much inclined to think my decision to use a wider block was due to evidence which made me think that the edits,were from someone who had also been active on other pages, using a wider IP range, but at present I am very short of time, and can't check the history to find what that evidence was. For now I intend to just remove my part of the block, but I may come back to this discussion when I have more time. JBW (talk) 11:34, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I removed my block as well and restored the previous settings, as it seems my addition changed the duration to indefinite. Widr (talk) 15:54, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The indefinite-ness (indefinity?) of the block was the main reason why I started a discussion instead of just thinking "well, it will expire anyway, and if it's really needed, someone will renew it". Thanks everyone 🙂 ~ ToBeFree (talk) 19:29, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Wikipedia admins need to all take a course in IPv6. A /32 covers millions of users and even /64s can have multiple innocent customers behind a router for example in houses of multiple occupation. And with ipv4 address exhaustion hundreds of computers can be behind an ipv4. I think ip blocking should be phased out with more focus on semi protection and edit filters. 77.103.193.166 (talk) 20:29, 26 March 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Abusive use of Twinkle[edit]

    The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


    Hello. I've recently made a small edit, in good faith, which was quickly reverted by a user who, apparently, is using Twinkle. No message or attempt to contact me was made prior to this revert, but I did get my personal Talk page soiled by an entry that accuses me of Disruptive Editing, and threats of me being banned.

    After visiting that user's own Talk page, and scrolling all the way to the bottom, I realize I'm not the only one being affected by this behaviour. At least two other people have actively complained about spontaneous reverts, but others may have remained silent. Basically, the user in question simply reverts people's edits, assumes Disruption or Vandalism, and never tries to communicate with his targets before reverting their edits.

    I believe this is a form of abuse and not how Twinkle is meant to be used. How should I proceed in a situation like this? I never had to report anyone on this platform before, so some guidance would be welcome.

    Note: I'm not naming the user here because I don't know if the situation warrants it, and I'd like some feedback before "naming and shaming" (so to speak).

    Thank you. Raven-14 (talk) 15:58, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    You have not notified the reported of this thread; I have done so. And you are required to name who you have a concern with, which is easy to ascertain based on the talk page notice, and that was Vif12vf. As I'm not in the topic area, I have no say on the dispute itself. Nate (chatter) 16:11, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I explained why I haven't mentioned any names, and that was because I was NOT reporting anyone. I was asking for information and advice. You, apparently, did not understand my message and acted according to your assumption. If the information received was that there's nothing to be done, no report would go forward, and a conflict would've been avoided - but through your actions, a further conflict is now inevitable. Raven-14 (talk) 16:25, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    [Y]ou are required to name who you have a concern with, emphasis mine. Your message was understood, but if you wanted to keep things anonymous, you should have gone directly to an admin to ask for advice. If you post on a public noticeboard, it's not fair to the other editor to deny them a chance to explain and/or defend themselves. Your version/narrative can't be the only version/narrative. Grandpallama (talk) 18:55, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It isn't generally expected to notify someone before reverting an edit. After your edit was reverted, the proper course of action would have been for you to start a discussion on the article's talk page to resolve the content dispute. Schazjmd (talk) 16:14, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I posted this based on the text that appears under the Wikipedia Twinkle page, where the Abuse sections says:
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    "Anti-vandalism tools, such as Twinkle, Huggle, and rollback, should not be used to undo changes that are constructive and made in good faith.
    If a change is merely "unsatisfactory" in some way, undoing/reverting should not be the first response."
    -
    This is why I brought the issue here, to get clarification. Raven-14 (talk) 16:27, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Keep in mind that WP:TWINKLE is neither a policy nor a guideline. The other editor might argue that your change was inaccurate, thus not constructive. Please, take it to the article talk page and work it out between you. Schazjmd (talk) 16:40, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There's nothing to discuss on that article Talk page because it's not an issue with content dispute, but rather with a user's attitude.

    Put simply, I'd like to know if Wikipedia is meant to be a friendly place where people talk things out before action, or if it's a place where some users can just act like they own the place.

    If it's the former, then I believe some users are acting in an abusive manner. If it's the latter, then I might as well quit Wikipedia altogether. I've been here since 2010 and never had an argument with anyone. So I don't appreciate being accused of disruption and threatened to be banned by other people when they feel like it.

    The opinion of an Admin would be welcome. Raven-14 (talk) 16:52, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    "The other editor might argue that your change was inaccurate, thus not constructive." they wouldn't be allowed to use twinkle in that circumstance. You use twinkle when something is disruptive, if its just inaccurate/not constructive its not a tool you can use. They can revert on their own, but using the tool there is actually kind of abusive. Let me put it this way: both of them can be in the wrong (but neither to the point where we need to be talking about it on a noticeboard). Horse Eye's Back (talk) 16:54, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I've recently made a small edit Are you talking about this edit? That might be small in terms of text changed, but it's a pretty major edit, in general. Changing the orientation of a political party isn't usually the sort of thing one does without getting consensus, and certainly not after being reverted. Since you brought up Twinkle guidelines, any Twinkle user would be justified in considering that a disruptive (rather than constructive) edit, as well as in questioning if it were made in good faith. It's also clear Twinkle was used because there was an intervening edit in between your initial edit and the revert that also needed to be undone. Grandpallama (talk) 18:49, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'd also like to point out that Raven-14 later reverted themselves, effectively restoring the article to the same version as me. Vif12vf/Tiberius (talk) 19:25, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Please provide wikilinks, usernames, and WP:DIFFs if you'd like this report to be actionable. I could go digging in your contribs looking for this information, but in my opinion you should present this information clearly so that other editors don't need to spend a bunch of time researching. –Novem Linguae (talk) 19:32, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Wikilinks
    - Portuguese Labour Party

    UserNames
    - Raven-14
    - Vif12vf

    WP:DIFF
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Portuguese_Labour_Party&diff=1215171823&oldid=1215140162

    The point of this report is that the user Vif12vf is in the habit of reverting people's edits without any sort of prior communication, and then invades user's Talk pages with accusations of bad faith edits, and threats of banning.

    There are certainly more friendly ways to deal with an edit you don't think should've been made.

    As mentioned before, I'm not the only target. I can't speak for other users, and don't know if they wish to complaint as well, but Vif12vf's talk page reveals I'm not the only one to be greeted in the same way.

    I'm obviously the most interested party here, but I'm also thinking that if Vif12vf behaviour continues, there will be many users rightfully aggrieved by his unfriendly attitude.

    A further reminder that I've been on wikipedia for fourteen years, and never had an issue with anybody. In my view, the user should've tried to talk to me first, ask if I had a source for the edit, and try to work things out politely, rather than what he opted to do.

    If the information listed above isn't enough, please let me know.

    Thank you. Raven-14 (talk) 20:35, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment the OP made a bold unsourced edit that was reverted. Instead of starting a discussion about it (per WP:BRD), they reverted the revert with an edit summary that makes no sense (according to them, only knowledgeable editors can revert unsourced/unexplained changes), they accused the other editor of vandalism (in the edit summary of the second revert) and then went through Vif12vf's talk page to look for something that will help them build a case for ANI. If that wasn't bad enough, they also canvassed a couple of editors (see diff and diff). M.Bitton (talk) 22:49, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      Yes. In fact, it looks like all of their article edits from the past few days have been unsourced orientation changes to Portuguese political parties. Pretty close to the very definition of disruptive behavior. The editor is so inexperienced (despite the repeated protestations otherwise) that suggesting a boomerang sanction seems severe, but they need a firm admonition to bone up on core policies...like sourcing. Grandpallama (talk) 23:19, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      I never claimed to be experienced editor.

      I said I was here for fourteen years and never had a problem with any other user.

      Please, note the difference.

      Thank you. Raven-14 (talk) 03:21, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      The issue isn't, and never was, about whether my original edit was good or bad. In fact, I reverted the page back myself, to stop the reversion war.

      The issue is the aggressive way the other user opted to address his issue with the edit. Were the roles reversed, I would've contacted him before doing any reverts, and tried to be polite about it (assuming good faith, as is suggested all around this site) - not accuse him of anything or threaten him with being banned.

      I'd appreciate if people focused on the issue of the user's behaviour, rather than the straw man of "but what about the quality of the OPs edits". Raven-14 (talk) 03:16, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If you post here, your conduct will be examined too. In this case, it appears that the behavioral problem lies with you, not the person you're complaining about. Acroterion (talk) 03:24, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

    Closure of ANI discussion[edit]

    I ask that an uninvolved administrator close Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Follow up from VPM. Discussion in the main two threads has slowed to a near-halt, and the subsection I opened to ask for closure quickly turned into heavily-involved participants relitigating the debate. Resolution before the thread is archived would be preferable. Many thanks, ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:50, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    A good place to request closures is WP:ANRFC. The section "Topic ban for Thmazing" looks like a straightforward close for someone (maybe me if I get time and if my one comment in the Rachel Helps discussion doesn't make me INVOLVED). The section "Topic ban proposal for Rachel Helps" looks a bit trickier. –Novem Linguae (talk) 19:38, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Forgot there was an "Administrative discussions" subsection at CR; now posted there. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 20:35, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    User openly admits that their edits were made for an organization in return for possible compensation[edit]

    User:Suriyanarayana admits that they edit on behalf of the organization called BCCI, as seen here:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Wayfarer_Pacifist&diff=prev&oldid=1215465866&title=User_talk%3AWayfarer_Pacifist&diffonly=1

    As seen in the diff, they say "You undid an official piece of work I did for the authorities within the BCCI".

    They also go on to say, "However, I humbly request you to not remove critical information that plays a factor for fan following and hence has financial ramifications".

    Not sure what they mean here, but they seem to be claiming that they edit on behalf of BCCI for advertising or promotion.

    (Wayfarer Pacifist (talk) 21:51, 25 March 2024 (UTC))[reply]

    In case anyone's wondering, the edits in question were made to Kolkata Knight Riders and probably other articles. Phil Bridger (talk) 22:09, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The last line in their comment is worrying - Failure to do so will result in you being reported to Wikipedia and authorities in BCCI. There's a hint of WP:NLT pressure there. Ravensfire (talk) 22:12, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • (ec) "Failure to do so will result in you being reported to ... authorities in BCCI". Not a legal threat as such (since the BCCI is not a court or other legal entity). However, this is still a threat, and as such is not appropriate for Wikipedia. Blocked indefinitely. Black Kite (talk) 22:13, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Fix mistake with protection[edit]

    Over at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_bias I do not see the little lock emblem up in the top right corner, and yet when I try to edit, a 30/500 banner suddenly warns me of potentially being blocked for doing so; which I, apparently, could. Maybe I'm mistaken, but this makes little sense to me. Maybe remove protection entirely and let me fix the formatting issues? Biohistorian15 (talk) 00:34, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    The article is not protected. The banner is warning you that unless you meet certain qualifications, you must not edit it. You do not meet those qualifications.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:58, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Ok, thanks. Biohistorian15 (talk) 01:05, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    DYK at 2-a-day[edit]

    WP:DYK has moved to 2-sets-a-day, which means we will need more admin to help promote preps to queues. Admin instructions are located at WP:DYKAI, and I recommend installing WP:PSHAW, which automates many of the technical steps. Any help with is appreciated, and questions can be asked at WT:DYK. Z1720 (talk) 03:08, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Maybe cut back on the admins having to do the required checks. I don't mind the next bits but the DYK should be ready beforehand. You might get more admins willing to help. CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 21:55, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    I'd appreciate a review of my decision to remove extended confirmed user rights from an editor[edit]

    See User talk:Doug Weller#Grievance Regarding Revocation of Extended Confirmed User Rights. I thought that this had been amicably settled here[1]but obviously not as User:BlackOrchidd has replied talking about escalating, as is their right. It now seems best for me to ask other opinions. I know I made a mistake is mentioning minor edits as the reason when I removed them, I should have said trivial edits as they clearly weren't what we formally call minor edits. Pinging User:Joshua Jonathan and User:Sean.hoyland as they took part in the discussion on my talk page. As always when I take normal Administrative actions I'm ok with my actions being reversed, I know I'm not perfect. :} Doug Weller talk 07:42, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    This might be something for XRV? --Licks-rocks (talk) 14:00, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I wouldn't have revoked EC here. It looks like they've been editing fairly consistently for the last year, so I wouldn't really call that "racing" to get the right, and it doesn't look like they've been making trivial edits for the purpose of gaining EC. (I will note that I'm not a fan of the AI-generated responses, however.) — Ingenuity (talk • contribs) 14:34, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Absolutely agree; there is nothing in their editing history to indicate gaming of the system. Recommend restoration. Primefac (talk) 15:41, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Fine, thanks. I'll do it in a minute. Doug Weller talk 15:46, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Done. Thanks for responding. I feel bad about this, hate to mistreat an editor. Hopefully a mistake I won't make again! Doug Weller talk 15:51, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Good ending though, the editor gave me the The Admin's Barnstar! Doug Weller talk 08:18, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Advice sought on personal attacks in AfDs[edit]

    As an AfD closer, I occasionally come across personal attacks by people who are offended by an AfD nomination, and sometimes I act on them. I recently was strongly criticized for blocking somebody for what I considered a personal attack in an AfD, but which almost everybody else who commented considered not to be one. So now I'd like to take the advice of the community and particularly fellow admins to recalibrate my civility sensor, as it were.

    In another AfD I am now faced with, a high school radio station was nominated for deletion for lack of notability. One of the responses read in relevant part: "Outright deletion achieved through consensus in name only, built on a nomination intended to promote systemic bias, would solely benefit the desires of those editors who appear more interested in defining what's notable than reflecting what's notable." Then they go on to complain about a "group of SPAs unafraid to edit-war and WP:OWN content". The editor who made this comment has no prior blocks, but several complaints about personal attacks on their talk page. (I'm not naming the editor or the AfD at issue, as I don't want to drag anyone into the spotlight unwarrantedly.)

    Now, my assessment is that alleging without evidence that the nominator "intend[s] to promote systemic bias" through their AfD is a personal attack, particularly in view of WP:ASPERSIONS. But, as noted above, my assessment may be out of line with community consensus. What do others think? Sandstein 17:55, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    link to the discussion in question --Licks-rocks (talk) 15:28, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    WP:Aspersions are repeated claims of wrongdoing without evidence, not a single one. If somebody is claiming something that you think requires evidence, ask them to provide evidence. If they are unable to do so, then tell them they cannot repeat such claims without evidence. nableezy - 17:57, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree that User:RadioKAOS did not cover themselves with glory in that discussion, but AingGF, in another light it sounds like railing against the AfD 'system' rather than directed at any one individual. And it's true that 'enthusiastic amateurs' can flock to school AfDs like moths to a flame occasionally. I think it was a good idea to close it before posting here, though. ——Serial Number 54129 18:11, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yeah unfortunately this is a recurring issue at AfDs in the radio topic area. AusLondonder (talk) 05:36, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Sandstein: Good on you. Its the first time I've ever heard anybody being blocked at Afd, ever. It must have been bad. scope_creepTalk 08:14, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I read the report about being a bad block. That is unfortunate. I understand your concern. Yip, I would ask for evidence, always. Having done a few radio station Afd's, sometimes they blow up very quickly particularly if its school or university station. I don't think its particularly bad apart from the opening sentence where they takes swinging hit at every editor before moving onto analysis, but without evidence the editor is just gasing at his station going. scope_creepTalk 08:31, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • First, though I disagreed with that block you issued, I'm grateful that there are at least a few admins who take civility seriously. Editors, especially long-time productive editors, can get away with a lot of rudeness or passive-aggressive comments and when directed to less experienced editors, it can really serve to intimidate and bully them.
    But I think Nableezy makes a good point...I'd look for repeated personal attacks. The editors I see who get blocked who truly deserve it are not ones who make one comment, venting in the heat of the moment, but ones that go on a tear, where every comment is worse than the last. They get themselves into an angry state of mind and NOTHING can seem to stop them from lashing out. I also am wary when editors talk about a conspiracy or "agenda" because those comments show they are out-of-touch with how Wikipedia operates and it could call for a NOTTHERE block. But one comment from an editor who is pissed off that an article they crafted has been brought to AFD? I'd give them some ROPE. I think we can all understand how that might feel. These are just some thoughts I can share but more specifics would be helpful. I also appreciate you (and Doug, above) bringing the issue to AN to ask for second opinions. That doesn't happen often enough, I think. Liz Read! Talk! 05:31, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Reporting @Juli Wolfe[edit]

    Reporting this user @Juli Wolfe

    Trying to delete articles that I've contributed to in bad faith. This user is disruptive and needs to be removed.

    I donate to Wikipedia insane amounts of money and do not want to see users like this on the platform. Please delete and remove @Juli Wolfe Yfjr (talk) 19:50, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    First off, when coming to WP:AN you need to realize your own actions will be under scrutiny. Including where you called another editor a clown and tried to vandalize their user page. Philipnelson99 (talk) 19:57, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Hello @Philipnelson99 thank you for reverting back my talk page to normal. And thank you everyone for stepping in, This user @Yfjr has been using personal attacks towards me for no reason, and mentioning things like if I try and edit any articles that "he will have me removed from Wikipedia" saying things like that under my talk page. And if you take a look at my contributions I contribute very well and fairly to help make articles better and then this user creates this thread under the Administrators' noticeboard for zero reasons claiming that I am "trying to delete articles contributing to bad faith, and that I am being disruptive". Which you can see is clearly not true, my mission to to continue to to make meaningful contribution whereas this random user has no user page is, trying to say because of the use of their "claimed" donations they can enforce editors off the website, using personal attacks seen here calling me a clown, single handedly making edits adding certain images that are copyright violations under articles like Luca Schnetzler & Pudgy Pengins. It's safe to say that this new User @Yfjr is potentially a troll and needs to stop.
    @JustarandomamericanALT @Phil Bridger @Schazjmd @Lepricavark @CambridgeBayWeather What should I do now with this thread noticeboard that the troll @Yfjr made under my name? Thanks guys, Juli Wolfe (talk) 02:51, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You don't need to do anything further. It's clear that this was a frivolous report. LEPRICAVARK (talk) 03:33, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Obvious boomerang indef for incivility, given the diffs provided above. JustarandomamericanALT (talk) 19:59, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    (after edit conflicts) I have not looked into the matter, but I must say that the amount of money that you donate to the WMF (nobody donates anything except time to Wikipedia) is both unknowable and irrelevant to an editor's presence here. Phil Bridger (talk) 20:02, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This report seems a bit exaggerated. Juli Wolfe nominated a single article for deletion, and Yfjr's only contribution to that article was adding an image. Yfjr's comments at the AfD and Juli Wolfe's talk page are overly aggressive. Schazjmd (talk) 20:13, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    For clarity, I had warned Yfjr about personal attacks prior to their most recent edit at the AfD and this report. Philipnelson99 (talk) 20:16, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Support boomerang indef of OP for trying to use their purported donations to influence these proceedings. Yfjr, your sense of entitlement is pathetic to those of us who have donated countless hours of our lives to this project, a far more meaningful contribution than you will ever make. LEPRICAVARK (talk) 21:42, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The single edit you made to Luca Schnetzler was to add an image that was a copyright violation. CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 21:43, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Hello Yfjr, I must say that I simply have came across the article for "Luca Schnetzler" that was newly made simply had false information in the career part of the article, all I did was correct it. Making edits to Wikipedia you must have notable articles cited for things placed. And you decided to Report me for being disruptive? Is quite I must say outlandish. And not to mention you called me a "clown"? For what? Following the rules and making Wikipedia a better place?@Yfjr Juli Wolfe (talk) 23:38, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You nominated an article for deletion because you “thought” that a fact is false, when it fact it was true.
    It is shocking to see how many came to your support despite making my case very clear.
    You have not done your research on Luca Schnetzler and made a false report and nominated the article to be deleted.
    This should be punishable considering you never even took the time to review what you are reporting, thoroughly.
    It honestly embarrasses me to say I’m part of this community after seeing the few people who were quick to respond in such a haste and unfair matter.
    I will no longer be donating to Wikipedia and will be reporting all the users who took action to reverse my reports which were made in good faith.
    I’m passionate enough about Wikipedia to stand and defend articles I’m passionate about and contributed to.
    you will not take that away from me.
    You deserve to be banned for your lack of awareness and thorough research before nominating articles to be deleted @Juli Wolfe
    You are a literal danger to this platform, I am the one speaking up against you. You are not allowed to take this and turn it against me. 2001:1970:4DA3:D300:0:0:0:7C56 (talk) 17:16, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Fairly certain this is just @Yfjr editing logged out... Philipnelson99 (talk) 17:21, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It honestly embarrasses me to say I’m part of this community you aren't a part of this community. LEPRICAVARK (talk) 18:15, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Wow! you are still here?.. Thinking logging out would we wouldn't know it was you... Listen this person or whoever you are working for or even if it's you paying for press WILL NOT get you on Wikipedia so you can continue trying... You are going against Wikipedia's rules!! And I wont stand for that as to why I opened up a "discussion" to see if it's notable. Since you made things worse gonna make sure you don't get it & I can definitely speculate that you are associated with that said individual in CA/LA wherever you/he is... Plus you are trying to use the use of your purported donations to go against certain rules, you thinking you are entitled to is piteous to those of us who have donated countless hours of our to actually make this website a better place. Juli Wolfe (talk) 21:19, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Support boomerang indef. The donations' joke tipped the balance. M.Bitton (talk) 17:33, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Hasn't this cryptospammer been blocked yet? Why not? Phil Bridger (talk) 19:10, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • I blocked Yfjr indefinitely. If Yfjr hadn't attempted to vandalize someone's user page, I could see starting off with timed blocks or even warnings, but the totality is just a bit too much, I think. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 22:53, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    The Foreigner (film)[edit]

    I requested this article for a movie called, The Foreigner, to be semi-protected because someone’s been adding a lot of details when I tried to shorten the summary to wiki plot standards of 400-700 words. Every time I shortened the summary, someone’s been always adding back more details that exceeded over 700 words. I want you to please look over it. Rangertapper (talk) 17:56, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @Rangertapper: When raising a thread about an article, you should always say which article that is; so do you mean The Foreigner (2017 film)? I cannot find any protection requests for that article at WP:RFPP. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:01, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Request for review of conduct dispute[edit]

    Hi, could an administrator please review this discussion regarding a conduct dispute. Thank you, IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 02:52, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]