Wikipedia:Categories for discussion

"WP:CFC" and "WP:CFD" redirect here. For categories for creation, see WP:Articles for creation/Categories. For criteria for deletion, see WP:Criteria for deletion.

XFD backlog

V	Sep	Oct	Nov	Dec	Total
CfD	0	0	117	14	131
TfD	0	0	11	0	11
MfD	0	0	3	0	3
FfD	0	0	0	1	1
RfD	0	0	10	3	13
AfD	0	0	7	10	17

Categories for discussion (CfD) is the central venue for discussing specific proposals to delete, merge, rename or split categories and stub types in accordance with the guidelines for categorization, category naming and stub articles.

For detailed instructions about using CfD, see "How to use CfD" below. Briefly, nominations are handled through one of two processes:

1. Speedy renaming and merging, for uncontroversial proposals that meet specified criteria—see "Speedy renaming and merging" below.
2. Full discussion, for all other proposals. Discussions typically remain open for at least seven days and are closed once a rough consensus has formed or no objections to the nomination are raised.

Except in uncontroversial cases such as reverting vandalism, do not amend or depopulate a category once it has been nominated at CfD as this hampers other editors' efforts to evaluate a category and participate in the discussion.

When a category is renamed or merged with another category, in limited circumstances it may be helpful to leave an instance of the {{Category redirect|...}} template on the category's former page. See "Redirecting categories" below for more information.

Wikipedia:Move review can be used to contest the outcome of a CfD request that is limited in scope to renaming, as long as all steps are followed. If a discussion on the request closer's talk page does not resolve an issue, then a move review will evaluate the close of a CfD move discussion to determine whether or not the close was reasonable and consistent with the spirit and intent of common practice, policies, and guidelines. CfDs involving deletion should be reviewed at Wikipedia:Deletion review.

Scope

CfD is intended only for specific proposals to delete, merge, rename or split categories or stub types. For general discussion about how to improve the category system, use other appropriate venues such as Wikipedia talk:Categorization, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Categories, and any relevant WikiProjects' talk pages.

Current discussions

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  • 9 December (Saturday)
  • 8 December (Friday)
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  • 6 December (Wednesday)
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  • 4 December (Monday)
  • 3 December (Sunday)
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• Speedy renaming requests
• Archive and indices

Discussions awaiting closure

• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 December 1 (14 open)
• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 November 30 (28 open)
• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 November 29 (19 open)
• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 November 28 (17 open)
• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 November 26 (4 open)
• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 November 25 (10 open)
• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 November 24 (3 open)
• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 November 23 (3 open)
• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 November 22 (11 open)
• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 November 21 (7 open)
• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 November 20 (8 open)
• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 November 19 (7 open)

See also the list of individual discussions awaiting closure here and the list of full open discussions awaiting closure here.

How to use CfD

Nomination procedure

Twinkle

You may use Twinkle to facilitate CfD nominations. To install Twinkle, go to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets and check "Twinkle" in the "Browsing" section. Use the now-installed "XfD" (Start a deletion discussion) tab while viewing the page you want to nominate.

Twinkle only allows you to nominate a single category or stub template. For bundled nominations including multiple categories, or if you prefer not to use Twinkle, follow the manual steps below.

Manual nominations

I	Preliminary steps. Before nominating a category: Read and understand the guidance for category names and overcategorization. For categories containing biographical articles, read the guidance for categorization of people. For categories containing the user pages of Wikipedians, read the guidance for user categories. In the following special cases: If a category is a red link, then it is already deleted (or was never created in the first place) and does not need to be nominated. If a category is unpopulated, use {{db-catempty}} to request it be speedily deleted in 7 days. If a category is populated solely by a template (other than a stub template, see #Stub types below) and you are proposing to delete both the category and template, follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion. For further information, see Wikipedia:Categorization and Wikipedia:Manual of Style.
II	Edit the category. Add one of the following templates at the beginning of the category page (not the talk page) of every category to be discussed. For nominations involving large numbers of categories, help adding these templates can be requested here. Otherwise, if nominating a single category: For deleting, use {{subst:Cfd}} For merging, use {{subst:Cfm|Other category}} For merging to two categories, use {{subst:Cfm-double|Other category 1|Other category 2}} For renaming, use {{subst:Cfr|Proposed name}} For splitting, use {{subst:Cfs|Proposed name 1|Proposed name 2}} For converting the category into a list, use {{subst:Cfl|Proposed name}} For other options (containerization, etc.), use {{subst:Cfd|type=nature of proposed discussion}} (see Template:Cfd/doc#Optional parameter) If nominating a group of related categories, use a bundled nomination: For deleting, use {{subst:Cfd|CfD section name}} For merging, use {{subst:Cfm|Other category|CfD section name}} For merging to two categories, use {{subst:Cfm-double|Other category 1|Other category 2|CfD section name}} For renaming, use {{subst:Cfr|Proposed name|CfD section name}} For splitting, use {{subst:Cfs|Proposed name 1|Proposed name 2|CfD section name}} For converting the category into a list, {{subst:Cfl|Proposed name|CfD section name}} For other options (containerization, etc.), use {{subst:Cfd|type=nature of proposed discussion|CfD section name}} (see Template:Cfd/doc#Optional parameter) Include "CfD", "CfM", "CfR", "CfS" or "CfL" in the edit summary, and do not mark the edit as minor. Preview before saving. To add the template for previous nomination days, use the "full" version of the template by appending "full" to the template name, i.e. {{cfd full}}, {{cfm full}}, {{cfr full}}, {{cfs full}} and {{cfl full}}. Use the |day=, |month= and |year= parameters to make the banner link to the correct CfD page. Consider adding {{subst:cfd notice|Category name|2023 December 9|CfD section name}} ~~~~ to the talk page of the category's creator. For details about these templates, see each template's documentation.
III	Create the CFD section. Click THIS LINK to edit the section of CfD for today's entries. Follow the instructions (visible in edit mode) to copy and paste one of the templates below. When inserting category names into these template's parameters, except the text= parameter, omit the Category: prefix and do not use wikilinks, as the template takes care of this. If nominating a single category: For deleting, use {{subst:Cfd2|Obsolete category|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed deletion. ~~~~}} For merging, use {{subst:Cfm2|Origin category|Destination category|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed merge. ~~~~}} For merging to two categories, use {{subst:Cfm2|Origin category|Destination category 1|target2=Destination category 2|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed merge. ~~~~}} For renaming, use {{subst:Cfr2|Current category|Proposed name|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed rename. ~~~~}} For splitting, use {{subst:Cfs2|Current category|Proposed category 1|Proposed category 2|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed split. ~~~~}} For converting the category into a list, use {{subst:Cfc2|Current category|Proposed article|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed conversion. ~~~~}} For other options (containerization, etc.), use {{subst:Cfd2|Current category|type=other type|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed conversion. ~~~~}} For a bundled nomination, use one of the standard templates to build the "Cfd section name" for the first nominated category. After saving that, the second and subsequent nominations must be inserted manually, as follows: ==== Cfd section name ==== * 1st category * 2nd category [Make clear whether you propose deletion, merging or renaming] * Your reason for nominating the categories, and signature. If a bundled nomination is too long, consider using {{hidden}} to hide some of the nominated categories. In your reason, use links if mentioning articles or categories. To link to a category, use the colon trick by adding a colon (:) to the beginning of the link, e.g. [[:Category:Foo]]. Preview before saving to check that your nomination is formatted correctly, and remember to include your signature at the end of the nomination.

Stub types

I	Preliminary steps. In general, a stub type consists of a stub template and a dedicated stub category. Before nominating a stub type for deletion, merging or renaming: Read and understand guidance for creating stub types and stub type naming conventions. Review the list of existing stub types—be advised, this list may not be comprehensive. If you wish to: Create a new stub type—follow the procedure for proposing new stub types. Delete, merge or rename a stub category only, without deleting or renaming the associated stub template—follow the instructions above this section. Delete or rename a stub template—continue to section II.
II	Edit the template. Add one of the following tags at the beginning of the template to be discussed. For deletion, use {{subst:Sfd-t|Section name}} For renaming, use {{subst:Sfr-t|Proposed name|Section name}} Please include "SFD" or "SFR" in the edit summary, and don't mark the edit as minor. Preview before saving. Consider notifying the template's creator on their talk page. To find the contributor, check the page history of the stub template.
III	Create the CFD section. Click THIS LINK to edit the section of CfD for today's entries. Follow the instructions (visible in edit mode) and paste the following text (remember to update the default parameters): For deletion, use {{subst:sfd-t2|TemplateName|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed deletion. ~~~~}} For renaming, use {{subst:sfr-t2|TemplateOldName|TemplateNewName|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed deletion. ~~~~}} In your rationale, mention how many articles currently use the template to help other editors. When linking to a category in your rationale, always add a colon (:) to the beginning of the link, like [[:Category:Foo]]. This makes a category link that can be seen on the page, and avoids putting this page into the category you are nominating. Preview before saving to check that your nomination is formatted correctly, and remember to include your signature at the end of the nomination.

Notifying interested projects and editors

In addition to the steps listed above, you may choose to invite participation by editors who are likely to be informed about a nominated category. All such efforts must comply with Wikipedia's guideline against biased canvassing. In addition, to help make your messages about the CfD discussion clear, avoid Wikipedia-specific abbreviations, link to relevant policies or guidelines, and link to the discussion itself.

Notifying related WikiProjects

WikiProjects consist of groups of editors who are interested in a particular subject. If a nominated category is within the scope of one or more WikiProjects, consider adding a brief, neutral note on their talk page(s) about the nomination. You may use {{subst:cfd notice|Category name|2023 December 9|CfD section name}} ~~~~ or write a personalized message.

Tagging the nominated category's talk page with a relevant WikiProject's banner will include the category in that WikiProject's Article Alerts if they subscribe to the system. For instance, tagging a nominated category with {{WikiProject Physics}} will add the discussion to Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Article alerts.

Notifying substantial contributors to the category

While not required, it is generally considered courteous to notify the good-faith creator and main contributors of the category that you are nominating for discussion. To find the creator and main contributors, check the category's page history or talk page. You may use {{Cfd notice}} to inform the category's creator and all other editors.

Notifying other interested editors

It may be helpful to invite other subject-matter experts by posting a message on the talk page of the most closely related article, such as Protein family for Category:Protein families. You may use {{Cfdnotice}} for this.

Closing procedure

After seven days, someone will close the discussion according to the consensus that formed or, if needed, relist it to allow more discussion. Editors closing discussions must follow the administrator instructions and, except in the case of a "keep" or "no consensus" outcome, implement the result or log it at the Working page to ensure it is implemented.

Redirecting categories

"WP:CAT-R" redirects here. For the guideline on categorizing redirects, see Wikipedia:Categorizing redirects.

For an essay on this topic, see WP:Category redirects that should be kept.

In general, an unpopulated category should be deleted (see speedy deletion criterion C1) because it is not useful for navigation and sorting. In limited circumstances, and because categories cannot be redirected using "hard" redirects (i.e. #REDIRECT[[''target'']]), we use a form of "soft redirect" to solve the issue. You can create a category redirect by adding {{Category redirect|target}} to the category page. Bots patrol these categories and move articles into the "redirect" targets.

In particular, category redirects are used at the former category name when we convert hyphens into en dashes (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations). It is also helpful to set up category redirects from titles with plain letters (i.e. characters on a standard keyboard) where the category names include diacritics.

A list of redirected categories is available at Category:Wikipedia soft redirected categories.

Speedy renaming and merging

Speedy renaming or speedy merging of categories may be requested only if they meet a speedy criterion, for example WP:C2D (consistency with main article's name) or WP:C2C (consistency with established category tree names). Please see instructions below.

1. Determine which speedy criterion applies
2. Tag category page with {{subst:cfr-speedy|New name}}
3. List request along with speedy criteria reason under "Current requests" below on this page

Please note that a speedy request must state which of the narrowly defined criteria strictly applies. Hence, any other non-speedy criteria, even "common sense" or "obvious", may be suitable points, but only at a full discussion at WP:Categories for discussion.

Request may take 48 hours to process after listing if there are no objections. This delay allows other users to review the request to ensure that it meets the speedy criteria for speedy renaming or merging, and to raise objections to the proposed change.

Categories that qualify for speedy deletion (per Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion, e.g., "patent nonsense", "recreation") can be tagged with the regular speedy tags, such as {{db|reason}} with no required delay. Empty categories can be deleted if they remain empty 7 days after tagging with {{db-empty}}. Renaming under C2E may also be processed instantly (at the discretion of an administrator) as it is a variation on G7.

To oppose a speedy request you must record your objection within 48 hours of the nomination. Do this by inserting immediately under the nomination:

• Oppose, (the reasons for your objection). ~~~~

You will not be able to do this by editing the page WP:Categories for discussion. Instead, you should edit the section WP:Categories for discussion#Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here or the page WP:Categories for discussion/Speedy#Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here (WP:CFDS). Be aware that in the course of any discussion, the nomination and its discussion may get moved further down the page purely for organizational convenience – you may need to search WP:CFDS to find the new location. Participate in any ongoing discussion, but unless you withdraw your opposition, a knowledgeable person may eventually bring forward the nomination and discussion to become a regular CFD discussion. At that stage you may add further comments, but your initial opposition will still be considered. However, if after seven days there has been no support for the request, and no response from the nominator, the request may be dropped from further consideration as a speedy.

Contested speedy requests become stale, and can be untagged and delisted after 7 days of inactivity. Optionally, if the discussion may be useful for future reference, it may be copied to the category talk page, with a section heading and {{moved discussion from|[[WP:CFDS]]|2=~~~~}}. If the nominator wants to revive the process, this may be requested at WP:Categories for discussion (CfD) in accordance with its instructions.

If you belatedly notice and want to oppose a speedy move that has already been processed, contact one of the admins who process the Speedy page. If your objection seems valid, they may reverse the move, or start a full CFD discussion.

Speedy criteria

The category-specific criteria for speedy renaming, or merging are strictly limited to:

C2A: Typographic and spelling fixes

• Correction of spelling errors and capitalization fixes. Differences between British and American spelling (e.g. Harbours → Harbors) are not considered errors; however if the convention of the relevant category tree is to use one form over the other then a rename may be appropriate under C2C. If both spellings exist as otherwise-identical category names, they should be merged.
• Appropriate conversion of hyphens into en dashes or vice versa (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations).
• Correction of obvious grammatical errors, such as a missing conjunction (e.g. Individual frogs toads → Individual frogs and toads). This includes pluralizing a noun in the name of a set category, but not when disagreement might reasonably be anticipated as to whether the category is a topic or set category.

C2B: Consistency with established Wikipedia naming conventions and practices

• Expanding abbreviated country names (e.g. U.S. → United States).
• Disambiguation fixes from an unqualified name (e.g. Category:Washington → Category:Washington (state) or Category:Washington, D.C.).

C2C: Consistency with established category tree names

Bringing a category into line with established naming conventions for that category tree, or into line with the various "x by y", "x of y", or "x in y" categorization conventions specified at Wikipedia:Category names

• This should be used only where there is no room for doubt that the category in question is being used for the standard purpose instead of being a potential subcategory.
• This criterion should be applied only when there is no ambiguity or doubt over the existence of a category naming convention. Such a convention must be well defined and must be overwhelmingly used within the tree. If this is not the case then the category in question must be brought forward to a full Cfd nomination.
• This criterion will not apply in cases where the category tree observes distinctions in local usage (e.g. Category:Transportation in the United States and Category:Transport in the United Kingdom).

C2D: Consistency with main article's name

• Renaming a topic category to match its eponymous page (e.g. Category:The Beatles and The Beatles).
• This applies only if the related page's current name (and by extension, the proposed name for the category) is:
  • unambiguous (so it generally does not apply to proposals to remove a disambiguator from the category name, even when the main article is the primary topic of its name, i.e. it does not contain a disambiguator); and
  • uncontroversial, either because of longstanding stability at that particular name, or because the page was just moved (i) after a page move discussion resulted in explicit consensus to rename, or (ii) unilaterally to reflect an official renaming which is verified by one or more citations (provided in the nomination). C2D does not apply if the result would be contrary to guidelines at WP:CATNAME, or there is any ongoing discussion about the name of the page or category, or there has been a recent discussion concerning any of the pages that resulted in a no consensus result, or it is controversial in some other way.
• This criterion may also be used to rename a set category in the same circumstances, where the set is defined by a renamed topic; e.g. players for a sports team, or places in a district.
• Before nominating a category to be renamed per WP:C2D, consider whether it makes more sense to move the article instead of the category.

C2E: Author request

• This criterion applies only if the author of a category requests or agrees to renaming within six months of creating the category.
• The criterion does not apply if other editors have populated or changed the category since it was created. "Other editors" includes bots that populated the category, but excludes an editor working with the author on the renaming.

C2F: One eponymous page

• This criterion applies if the category contains only an eponymous article, list, template or media file, provided that the category has not otherwise been emptied shortly before the nomination. The default outcome is an upmerge to the parent categories, where applicable. Nominations should use {{subst:cfm-speedy}} (speedy merger) linking to a suitable parent category, or to another appropriate category (e.g. one that is currently on the article).

Admin instructions

When handling the listings:

1. Make sure that the listing meets one of the above criteria.
2. With the exception of C2E, make sure that it was both listed and tagged at least 48 hours previously.
3. Make sure that there is no opposition to the listing; if there is a discussion, check if the opposing user(s) ended up withdrawing their opposition.

If the listing meets these criteria, simply have the category renamed or merged – follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Administrator instructions, in the section "If the decision is to Rename, Merge, or Delete"; to list it for the bots, use the Speedy moves section.

Applying speedy criteria in full discussions

• A nomination to merge or rename, brought forward as a full CfD, may be speedily closed if the closing administrator is satisfied that:
  • The nomination clearly falls within the scope of one of the criteria listed here, and
  • No objections have been made within 48 hours of the initial nomination.
• If both these conditions are satisfied, the closure will be regarded as having been a result of a speedy nomination. If any objections have been raised then the CfD nomination will remain in place for the usual 7-day discussion period, to be decided in accordance with expressed consensus.

Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here

If the category and desired change do not match one of the criteria mentioned in C2, do not list it here. Instead, list it in the main CFD section.

If you are in any doubt as to whether it qualifies, do not list it here.

Use the following format on a new line at the beginning of the list:

* [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~

(The four ~ will sign and datestamp the entry automatically.)
If the current name should be redirected rather than deleted, use:

* REDIRECT [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~

To note that human action is required, e.g. updating a template that populates the category, use:

* NO BOTS [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~

Remember to tag the category page with: {{subst:cfr-speedy|New name}}

A request may be completed if it is more than 48 hours old; that is, if the time stamp shown is earlier than 01:06, 7 December 2023 (UTC). Currently, there are 113 open requests ().

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Current requests

Please add new requests at the top of the list, preferably with a link to the parent category (in case of C2C) or relevant article (in case of C2D).

• Category:American jazz ensembles from Alabama to Category:Jazz ensembles from Alabama
• Category:American jazz ensembles from California to Category:Jazz ensembles from California
• Category:American jazz ensembles from Florida to Category:Jazz ensembles from Florida
• Category:American jazz ensembles from Illinois to Category:Jazz ensembles from Illinois
• Category:American jazz ensembles from Indiana to Category:Jazz ensembles from Indiana
• Category:American jazz ensembles from Michigan to Category:Jazz ensembles from Michigan
• Category:American jazz ensembles from Minnesota to Category:Jazz ensembles from Minnesota
• Category:American jazz ensembles from Missouri to Category:Jazz ensembles from Missouri
• Category:American jazz ensembles from New Orleans to Category:Jazz ensembles from New Orleans
• Category:American jazz ensembles from New York (state) to Category:Jazz ensembles from New York (state)
• Category:American jazz ensembles from New York City to Category:Jazz ensembles from New York City
• Category:American jazz ensembles from Pennsylvania to Category:Jazz ensembles from Pennsylvania
• Category:American jazz ensembles from Texas to Category:Jazz ensembles from Texas
• Category:American jazz ensembles from Virginia to Category:Jazz ensembles from Virginia
• Category:American jazz ensembles from Washington (state) to Category:Jazz ensembles from Washington (state)
• C2C: None of the other "by state" cats in the Category:American musical groups by genre tree use "American", and I would think that's pretty obviously redundant to the presence of a US state in the name. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 00:15, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
• Category:Farmers' suicides in India to Category:Farmers who died by suicide in India – C2C: parent is Farmers who died by suicide Mason (talk) 22:53, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
• Category:Farmers' suicides in the United States to Category:Farmers who died by suicide in the United States – C2C: parent is Farmers who died by suicide Mason (talk) 22:52, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
• Category:Hoy to Category:Hoy, Orkney – C2D per Hoy, Orkney, Hoy is ambiguous, see the recent RM. I am the author but too old for C2E. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:46, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
• Category:Mississippi State Bulldogs and Lady Bulldogs tennis to Category:Mississippi State Bulldogs tennis – C2D: article is Mississippi State Bulldogs per here Joeykai (talk) 07:07, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
• Category:Tennessee Volunteers and Lady Volunteers navigational boxes to Category:Tennessee Volunteers navigational boxes – C2D: article is Tennessee Volunteers Joeykai (talk) 06:51, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
• Category:Blue Dragon character redirects to lists to Category:Blue Dragon (franchise) character redirects to lists – C2D * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:50, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
• Category:Executed Chinese people by dynasty to Category:Executed Chinese people by period – C2C: Parent is Chinese people by period Mason (talk) 00:36, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
• Category:Māori Party co-leaders to Category:Te Pāti Māori co-leaders – C2D: main page is Te Pāti Māori. Paora (talk) 00:04, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
• Category:Māori Party MPs to Category:Te Pāti Māori MPs – C2D: main page is Te Pāti Māori. Paora (talk) 00:04, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
• Category:Māori Party politicians to Category:Te Pāti Māori politicians – C2D: main page is Te Pāti Māori. Paora (talk) 00:04, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
• Category:Māori Party to Category:Te Pāti Māori – C2D: main page is Te Pāti Māori. Paora (talk) 00:04, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
• Category:Orphanages in the United States by state to Category:Orphanages in the United States by state or territory – C2C: Parent is Categories by state or territory of the United States Mason (talk) 23:50, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
• Category:Oregon beauty pageants to Category:Beauty pageants in Oregon – C2C: Siblings in the Beauty pageants in the United States by state category follow the Beauty pageants in STATE format Mason (talk) 23:47, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
• Category:Violence against sex workers in the United Kingdom to Category:Crimes against sex workers in the United Kingdom – C2C: Sibling is Category:Crimes against sex workers in the United States, and the parent is Crimes against sex workers Mason (talk) 23:40, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
• Category:Targeted killings by the Israel Defense Forces to Category:Targeted killing by Israel – C2D: Main article for category was renamed; renaming to match new main article name Longhornsg (talk) 22:33, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
• Category:Images of genetic subjects to Category:Genetics images – C2C: parent is Category:Biology images, and all other science images follow the pattern FOO images Mason (talk) 22:19, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
• Category:Thematic Maps to Category:Thematic maps – C2A: lowercase initials fgnievinski (talk) 21:44, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

  • Agree

  GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 22:40, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

• Category:Boston Reds (1890–91) to Category:Boston Reds (1890–1891) – C2D: MOS:DATERANGE. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:50, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
• Category:Kansas City Cowboys (AA) managers to Category:Kansas City Cowboys (American Association) managers – C2C: Also C2D, for Kansas City Cowboys (American Association). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:48, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
• Category:Fictional scuba divers to Category:Fictional underwater divers – C2C: The new name is also more inclusive, since there are other types of diving than scuba diving. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:08, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

• Category:Fictional ministers and secretaries to Category:Government ministers  Category:Fictional government ministers – C2C: Category name is confusing because Category:Fictional secretaries is about something else. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 18:08, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

• @LaundryPizza03: I guess you mean to Category:Fictional government ministers? Marcocapelle (talk) 21:34, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

  Yes, I have corrected that. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:17, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

• Category:Fictional information brokers to Category:Fictional data brokers – C2C: Category:Data brokers. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 17:52, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
• Category:Maronite Church by region to Category:Maronite Church by country – C2C per Category:Eastern Catholicism by country Place Clichy (talk) 16:22, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
• Category:Airstrikes by town or city to Category:Airstrikes by populated place – C2C within Category:Categories by populated place – Fayenatic London 11:25, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
  • Category:Aerial operations and battles of World War II by town or city to Category:Aerial operations and battles of World War II by populated place
• Category:A Tribe Called Red albums to Category:The Halluci Nation albums – C2D: Group changed its name. Article was moved to The Halluci Nation in April 2021 with this edit. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 07:28, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
• Category:Accidential deaths in Uzbekistan to Category:Accidental deaths in Uzbekistan – C2A: spelling Mason (talk) 03:14, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
• Category:German artists by city or town to Category:German artists by populated place – C2B: city or town should be "populated place" per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_February_22#Category:People_by_city_or_town Mason (talk) 00:02, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
• Category:French artists by city or town to Category:French artists by populated place – C2B: city or town should be "populated place" per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_February_22#Category:People_by_city_or_town Mason (talk) 00:01, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
• Category:Czech artists by city or town to Category:Czech artists by populated place – C2B: city or town should be "populated place" per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_February_22#Category:People_by_city_or_town Mason (talk) 23:59, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
• Category:Austrian artists by city or town to Category:Austrian artists by populated place – C2C: city or town should be "populated place" per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_February_22#Category:People_by_city_or_town Mason (talk) 23:59, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
• Category:Argentine artists by city or town to Category:Argentine artists by populated place – C2C: city or town should be "populated place" per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_February_22#Category:People_by_city_or_town Mason (talk) 23:58, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
• Category:Indian film producers by city or town to Category:Indian film producers by populated place – C2B: per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_February_22#Category:People_by_city_or_town Mason (talk) 23:57, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
• Category:Scottish musicians by city or town to Category:Scottish musicians by populated place – C2C: per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_February_22#Category:People_by_city_or_town Mason (talk) 23:56, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
• Category:Imprisoned journalists in Ethiopia to Category:Journalists imprisoned in Ethiopia – C2C: All the other categories follow Journalist imprisoned in FOO Mason (talk) 23:47, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
• Category:Norwegian civil wars to Category:Civil wars in Norway - Rename for the sake of uniform consistency with other subcategories of Category:Civil wars by country. AHI-3000 (talk) 00:04, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
• Category:Iranian civil wars to Category:Civil wars in Iran - Rename for the sake of uniform consistency with other subcategories of Category:Civil wars by country. AHI-3000 (talk) 23:05, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

• Category:Vaqueros de Bayamón players to Category:Vaqueros de Bayamón baseball players – C2B: A basketball cat exists. ^{Dieter Lloyd Wexler} 07:22, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
  • Category:Leones de Ponce players to Category:Leones de Ponce baseball players – Category:Leones de Ponce basketball players

    I have only tagged this category now.--Ymblanter (talk) 17:26, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

    Support in principle: to make it consistant with other categories in the Category:Liga de Béisbol Profesional Roberto Clemente players by team, it should be Category:Leones de Ponce (baseball) players and Category:Vaqueros de Bayamón (baseball) players.

    Same should be the case with basketball teams, with "basketball" in (). Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:16, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

• Category:First Merkel cabinet to Category:Federal cabinet (Germany) – C2F. Mason (talk) 01:37, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

  No longer. I added 4 articles to the category. ‎⠀Trimton⠀‎‎ 22:11, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

• Category:San-Pédro to Category:San-Pédro, Ivory Coast – C2D: Tagging as the title was restored, but wait til the new RM is over just in case. Gonnym (talk) 17:21, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

• Category:Extinct languages of Europe to Category:Extinct languages and dialects of Europe – C2D: List of extinct languages and dialects of Europe. Additional reason – a lot of articles in this category are about dialects not languages, some of these articles even have "dialect" in their name. – Treetoes023 (talk) 17:56, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

• It is not speediable because the whole tree of Category:Extinct languages uses "language" only. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:21, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

• Category:People from the United States by county to Category:People by county in the United States – C2C; matches name of the parent category and other categories in the Category:People by populated place in the United States. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:15, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

• Shouldn't this become Category:American people by county? And the other one Category:American people by populated place? Marcocapelle (talk) 21:24, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

Also, this category has been renamed in full discussion: Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_October_1#X_by_Y_in_Z. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:44, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

@Marcocapelle, I would indeed agree that it should be "American people by" but shouldn't that be discussed at full Cfd, since the rest of the categories in Category:People by populated place in the United States also stated with "People of the United States by..."?

Also, I don't think this particular category was discussed in the discussion you linked. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:44, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

• Yes, it was, see [1]. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:03, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

  Ah, I completely missed that. Thank you! I wasn't aware of this. But I would say that the other categories should also be named with such a format. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:15, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

• Category:South Carolina colonial people to Category:People from colonial South Carolina
  • Category:Virginia colonial people to Category:People from colonial Virginia – C2C; "People of" is how the other categories are named in Category:People of the Thirteen Colonies by colony; it also matches the name of the parent category. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:05, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
    • @Omnis Scientia: do you intend to have it renamed to "of" instead rather than "from"? Marcocapelle (talk) 11:33, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

      Good catch! Yes, it is meant to be "of". Thank you, I completely missed that error. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:42, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

      I would argue that "people from" should be used under C2B, see Wikipedia:Category_names#Former_nationalities. The siblings using "of" should be renamed using "from". – Fayenatic London 14:52, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

      • That is probably even better. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:09, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

      @Fayenatic london, if we are going to change it, I would say that we use the name of the colonies (as they were known at the time of American independence) instead of "colonial Virginia" or "colonial Massachusetts", rather like Category:People of the Province of New York is. So instead of "colonial Massachusetts", it would be "People from the Province of Massachusetts Bay". Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:45, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

      I think that anything more complicated than what's already been proposed would be worth having a full discussion. Personally, I think colonial Massachusetts is helpful as it's more informative/descriptive Mason (talk) 01:28, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

      Makes sense. In which case, I think we should rename the categories not with "colonial" (New York and Georgia). Additionally, this a category called Category:American colonial people by state which is rather wrongly named. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:30, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

• Category:Ukrainian American to Category:Ukrainian diaspora in the United States – C2C per Category:Ukrainian diaspora by country. Place Clichy (talk) 01:38, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

  Oppose. Not consistant with the category names in Category:Eastern Europeans in the United States. Omnis Scientia (talk) 17:09, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

  • I suppose Category:Eastern Europeans in the United States and all of its subcategories can be speedied in conjunction. But maybe it is better done in full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:10, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

    Agreed. In which case my vote should be actually be Oppose speedy. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:34, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

• Category:Zvenigorodsky Uyezd (Kiev Governorate) to Category:Zvenigorodka uezd – C2D.  —Michael Z. 06:30, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
• Category:Vasilkovsky Uyezd to Category:Vasilkov uezd – C2D.  —Michael Z. 06:29, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
• Category:Umansky Uyezd to Category:Uman uezd – C2D.  —Michael Z. 06:29, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
• Category:Tarashchansky Uyezd to Category:Tarashcha uezd – C2D.  —Michael Z. 06:28, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
• Category:Skvirsky Uyezd to Category:Skvira uezd – C2D.  —Michael Z. 06:28, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
• Category:Radomyslsky Uyezd to Category:Radomysl uezd – C2D.  —Michael Z. 06:28, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
• Category:Lipovetsky Uyezd to Category:Lipovets uezd – C2D.  —Michael Z. 06:28, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
• Category:Kievsky Uyezd to Category:Kiev uezd – C2D.  —Michael Z. 06:27, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
• Category:Kanevsky Uyezd to Category:Kanev uezd – C2D.  —Michael Z. 06:27, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
• Category:Chigirinsky Uyezd to Category:Chigirin uezd – C2D.  —Michael Z. 06:27, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
• Category:Cherkassky Uyezd to Category:Cherkassy uezd – C2D.  —Michael Z. 06:27, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
• Category:Berdichevsky Uyezd to Category:Berdichev uezd – C2D.  —Michael Z. 06:26, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
• Category:Tiraspolsky Uyezd to Category:Tiraspol uezd – C2D.  —Michael Z. 06:22, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
• Category:Odessky Uyezd to Category:Odessa uezd – C2D.  —Michael Z. 06:21, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
• Category:Khersonsky Uyezd to Category:Kherson uezd – C2D.  —Michael Z. 06:21, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
• Category:Ananyevsky Uyezd to Category:Ananyevsky uezd – C2D.  —Michael Z. 06:21, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
• Category:Aleksandriysky Uyezd to Category:Aleksandriya uezd – C2D.  —Michael Z. 06:20, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

  I did not check all the articles but those I checked were moved earlier this year without any discussion by a relatively new user and the current names are at variance with other names of the uezds of the Russian Empire. I would have no issues with renaming everything from uyezd to uezd as this one went through a RM. Ymblanter (talk) 06:44, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

  Fair. I guess we should start a general discussion on this? There are uezds with Baltic names, and there may be some in Ukraine that should be named X povit.  —Michael Z. 17:20, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

  Yes, I think there should be a discussion on the naming of the uezds. Ymblanter (talk) 21:29, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

  That discussion has already happened, see Talk:Uezd, so these renamings are valid and welcome. – Fayenatic London 14:55, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

  No, we are not talking about this one. We re talking about whether it should be Khersonsky Uezd or Kherson Uezd. Ymblanter (talk) 15:02, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

  Yes, and also capitalization of X Uezd/X uezd in these names.  —Michael Z. 16:20, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

  Oops, sorry. Please carry on… – Fayenatic London 11:14, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

• Category:Native American people by state in the United States to Category:Native American people by state – C2C. Consistant with similar categories in Category:People from the United States by state. In any case, "by state" should be at the end. Omnis Scientia (talk) 17:06, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

• Interestingly, the article title is Native Americans in the United States. I agree with nom about their second comment, the splitter should be at the end, here WP:C2B applies. I would suggest to rename it to Category:Native American people in the United States by state here at speedy, and possibly discuss Category:Native American people by state in full CfD. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:44, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

  Mainly my issue was the "by state" since splitters are, in most cases, at the end. I do think the "in the United States" part was redundant since "Native American people by state" does imply that they are from the United States but, you are right, that part I should have run through full Cfd since I could very well be wrong. -- Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:54, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

• Category:Churches in the Philippines by architecture to Category:Church buildings by architectural style in the Philippines‎ – C2B and/or C2C: to specify/clarify the category use and to be consistent with other similar categories like Category:Church buildings by architectural style in the United States. Sanglahi86 (talk) 20:04, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

• Partially oppose, the splitter is by default at the end. The US category should be changed accordingly. But renaming "Churches" to "Church buildings" can go ahead. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:47, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

• I have now nominated the US sibling. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:50, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Opposed requests

• Category:Twins in fiction to Category:Fiction about twins – C2C: Category:Fiction about medicine and health; must be defining. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:42, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

  The fact that many of the subcategories in Category:Fiction about medicine and health are still e.g. Category:Hospitals in fiction‎, Category:Abortion in fiction, Category:Medical ethics in fiction, suggests that this is not as established a category tree as this C2C seems to suggest. Jahaza (talk) 02:28, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

  Most other CfDs to rename this kind of category have been accepted. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 06:36, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

  Support. There have been several discussions about this issue, including the parent category: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 July 7#Category:Science in fiction. Do we really need to have a full discussion for each of these? I'd rather not, and would prefer that we use speedy to let the change slowly work its way down the tree Mason (talk) 20:43, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

• Category:American Jews by state or territory to Category:American Jews by state – C2C. Consistant with similar categories in Category:People from the United States by state. Additionally, the category only contains people by state, NOT territory which has a seperate category. Omnis Scientia (talk) 17:08, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

  Oppose. I'm pretty sure that there are Jews in Puerto Rico... and there's been a recent push to move towards state or territory because it is easier for navigation. Mason (talk) 21:15, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

  See also Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_December_1#Category:People_from_the_United_States_by_state. – Fayenatic London 16:08, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

  Oppose, as for the Methodist Category. Place Clichy (talk) 20:34, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

• Category:American Methodists by state or territory to Category:American Methodists by state – C2C. To make the name consistant with other similar categories in Category:American Protestants by state. Additionally, the category contains Christians by states ONLY; territories have a seperate category. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:00, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

  Oppose. I don't see the benefit of narrowing the category. Mason (talk) 21:16, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

  @Mason, because it only contains Methodists by state, not territories. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:25, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

  Ok, but how does that create a benefit for narrowing the category? Are there no Puerto Rican methodists? Mason (talk) 21:29, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

  @Mason, as far as I can tell, territories have seperate categories. There are Roman Catholics in Puerto Rico, for example, as well but the category is not in Category:American Roman Catholics by state.

  My reasoning for changing the name was to make it consistant with other categories and to make the name more accurate. BUT if there is a push to combine religious people by states and territories, that would indeed be better for navigating. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:34, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

  Some do, and some don't. "There are Roman Catholics in Puerto Rico, for example, as well but the category is not in Category:American Roman Catholics by state." that's correct because the name is "by state". But i think it's important to ask what the defining feature is for the category, rather than just trying to force categories to fit into the current structure. Mason (talk) 21:39, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

  @Mason, understood. Thank you for explaining. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:55, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

  Oppose. The correct format should always be ... by state or territory for all American categories, per the parent Category:Categories by state or territory of the United States. This format was preferred in many community discussions. The logic of category diffusion should be that large categories should be split along geographical lines, and there is no reason to limit this logic to states and exclude Washington D.C., historic and present-day territories etc. Place Clichy (talk) 20:34, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

• Category:American Jewish theologians to Category:Jewish American theologians – C2C: to match names of other categories in the parent category Category:American Jews by occupation. Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:11, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose, proposal is inconsistent with the format in Category:Jewish theologians. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:48, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

  It would be consistant in that sense too. See Category:Jewish American journalists and Category:Jewish journalists. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:09, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

  Ah, I see what you mean. Sorry about that! Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:12, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Oppose. This is not Jewish Americans who are theologians it's Americans who are Jewish theologians. See Category:American Christian theologians and its progeny. Jahaza (talk) 02:18, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

• Category:Siblings in fiction to Category:Fiction about siblings – C2C: Category:Fiction about medicine and health; must be defining. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:43, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

  Oppose, in addition to my comment below about Category:Fiction about medicine and health I think this is not how this category is being used. Hansel and Gretel are siblings, but the story isn't about siblings in a defining sense, it's about two people who are siblings or the eventual descendent Category:Biographical films about Jesse James, which aren't necessarily about his brother and their relationship. Contra, for example Hannah and Her Sisters or King Lear, which are about siblings. Jahaza (talk) 02:37, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

  @Jahaza the examples you give reflect the problem with the current practice. There have been several recent full discusions about how the subject needs to be defining. The examples you give shouldn't be in this category for the exact reason you mention. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 July 7#Category:Science in fiction Mason (talk) 20:40, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

  One can make that argument, but it's not a C2C argument. Jahaza (talk) 21:04, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

  Recent consensus isn't a relevant argument? Mason (talk) 21:13, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

On hold pending other discussion

• Category:Fictional cybercriminals to Category:Fictional computer criminals – C2C: Real-world counterpart is Category:Computer criminals. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 17:09, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

  Oppose this particular one due to the existence of Category:Cybercrime. Category:Computer criminals is the one that needs to be renamed to Category:Cybercriminals. This one is fine and doesn't need to be renamed. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 09:20, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

  • On hold pending this discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:26, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Moved to full discussion

• Category:18th-century Bohemian Roman Catholic priests to Category:18th-century Roman Catholic priests from Bohemia – C2C with Category:18th-century clergy from Bohemia – Fayenatic London 12:46, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
  • Category:16th-century Bohemian Roman Catholic priests to Category:16th-century Roman Catholic priests from Bohemia
  • Category:15th-century Bohemian Roman Catholic priests to Category:15th-century Roman Catholic priests from Bohemia
  • Category:14th-century Bohemian Roman Catholic priests to Category:14th-century Roman Catholic priests from Bohemia
  • Category:12th-century Bohemian rabbis to Category:12th-century rabbis from Bohemia
  • Category:13th-century Bohemian rabbis to Category:13th-century rabbis from Bohemia
  • Category:14th-century Bohemian rabbis to Category:14th-century rabbis from Bohemia
  • Category:15th-century Bohemian rabbis to Category:15th-century rabbis from Bohemia
  • Category:16th-century Bohemian rabbis to Category:16th-century rabbis from Bohemia
  • Category:18th-century Bohemian rabbis to Category:18th-century rabbis from Bohemia

  Oppose; this name change would be going against C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:46, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

  • @Omnis Scientia: how exactly does it go against C2C? Marcocapelle (talk) 21:52, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

    Most clergy people by century are written as, for example, Category:20th-century American rabbis or Category:18th-century British Roman Catholic priests. The nationality comes before the title in the naming format. So it would no longer be consistant. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:56, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

    • But there are a few deliberate exceptions e.g. Category:Clergy from Georgia (country). Bohemia is a similar deliberate exception, to avoid confusion with Bohemian. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:28, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

      So it would like how people from former countries/empires are written? Like Category:People from the Russian Empire as oppose to Category:Russian people. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:36, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

      @Marcocapelle, if this is the case then I would like to take back my initial "oppose" vote. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:47, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

  Oppose speedy. People who are from Bohemia, a geographical location, is different than people who are Bohemian. Clergy/rabbis/etc. may be German or Ukrainian, or Bohemian and be from Bohemia without being necessarily Bohemian, so the whole thing needs to be clarified at a greater length and with more consultation than is fitting for speedy renaming. Jahaza (talk) 02:24, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

  @Jahaza:There have been several recent full conversations about this exact issue, including one explicitly about clergy. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 10#Category:Bohemian clergy. I can pull up the additional ones if you feel it is neccessary. Mason (talk) 20:32, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

  Sigh, @Jahaza, it would have been nice if you had withdrawn your speedy opposal given the EXTREMELY recent consensus on this. Moving to full. Mason (talk) 22:14, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

• Category:Actors by city or town in France to Category:Actors by populated place in France – C2C: parent is Category:Actors by country and populated place Mason (talk) 01:57, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

  oppose C2C would keep things as "by city or town" based on sibling categories. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 02:02, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

  There was a discussion about this per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_February_22#Category:People_by_city_or_town Mason (talk) 17:10, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

  Moving to FullMason (talk) 21:26, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

• Category:Male actors by city or town to Category:Male actors by populated place – C2C: per Category:Actors by populated place. –Aidan721 (talk) 23:17, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

  Oppose All of the child categories of the category to be moved are of the format "by city or town", meaning that this change would be taken as a signal to revise all child categories. The only child category of the targeted name-format is that related to the United States, suggesting that the US sub-cat needs renaming by C2C criteria. Not a speedy. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 02:40, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

  fyi there was a pretty clear consensus on this for americansWikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_October_4#Category:American_people_by_city_and_occupation Mason (talk) 02:18, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

  and here per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_February_22#Category:People_by_city_or_town Mason (talk) 17:10, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

  Moving to FullMason (talk) 21:26, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

• Category:Actresses by city or town to Category:Actresses by populated place – C2C: per Category:Actors by populated place. –Aidan721 (talk) 23:17, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

  Oppose All of the child categories of the category to be moved are of the format "by city or town", meaning that this change would be taken as a signal to revise all child categories. The only child category of the targeted name-format is that related to the United States, suggesting that the US sub-cat needs renaming by C2C criteria. Not a speedy. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 02:40, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

  This was discussed here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_February_22#Category:People_by_city_or_town Mason (talk) 17:10, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

  Moving to FullMason (talk) 21:26, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

• Category:Essays about Wikipedian fallacies to Category:Wikipedia essays about Wikipedian fallacies – C2C: parent category is Category:Wikipedia essays siblings are all in the style of Wikipedia essays about FOO Mason (talk) 04:49, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

  Oppose as completely redundant. And various other subcats of Category:Wikipedia essays do not begin with "Wikipedia", namely when it seems redundant, thus Category:User essays, Category:Reader help‎, Category:Essays about what Wikipedia is, Category:WikiProject advice, Category:Uncategorized essays).  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  05:57, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

  There is reason these should start with "Wikipedia essays", as there is also a category called Category:Essays which is for real life essays. Mason was correct in their proposal. Gonnym (talk) 21:55, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

  Moved to full Mason (talk) 20:44, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

• Category:Fictional self-sacrifices to Category:Fictional martyrs – C2C: Real-life counterpart is Category:Martyrs, and parent is Category:Martyrdom in fiction. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:26, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

• @LaundryPizza03: not sure about this. The word martyr is mostly used in religious context. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:50, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

  @Marcocapelle: I'm not sure simply a "self-sacrifice" is defining. Then again, I'm not sure if being a martyr is either. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 00:31, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

  Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_November_22#Category:Fictional_self-sacrifices. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 06:36, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

• Category:Fictional places in Disney films to Category:Fictional locations in Disney films – C2C: Category:Fictional locations, etc. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:51, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

  Oppose for now, as there is a CfD ongoing about what its parent category should be named, making any move premature. Also, I think this category should probably be merged anyway. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 11:59, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

  @Zxcvbnm: Should I move this under "On hold pending other discussion", or discard and open a new CfD? –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 16:47, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

  I would probably bring it to CfD under the other one because the same thing applies for it as its parent category. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:13, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

  Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_November_20#Category:Fictional_places_in_Disney_films. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:42, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

• Category:Tatar people of the Soviet Union to Category:Soviet people of Tatar descent – C2C. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:19, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose, this changes the scope. Possibly split. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:04, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

  As it currently stands, the category contains only biographies. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 22:24, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

  • @LaundryPizza03: this is a misunderstanding. I meant that the nomination is analogous to renaming Category:Jews to Category:People of Jewish descent. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:33, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

    Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_November_8#Category:Tatar_people_of_the_Soviet_Union. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:07, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

• Category:Dinjčić noble family to Category:Bosnian noble families – C2F. Mason (talk) 02:58, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

  Oppose - sorry, but this nomination makes no sense - one can't rename one specific family's category by using its parent category broad title, which contain few dozens of other spec. family categories. ౪ Santa ౪^99° 07:30, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

  • @Santasa99: it is not a rename but an upmerge. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:17, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

    I would prefer it to remain because I am trying to create few new BIO's for every family of the time and place, but unfortunately, I am alone on this scope (medieval Bosnia) and a bit overwhelmed by its extent. But if it has to go that way it has to go. Thanks for the input Marko. ౪ Santa ౪^99° 13:06, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

    Moved to full discussion. Mason (talk) 00:13, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

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