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::: I think editors also need to look at this article [[:Battles involving the Jat]]. This is even more shocking to me as it includes Battle of Dograi 1965, between India and Pak armies mentioned as Jat battle just because one of the unit involved was 3 Jat from Indian Army. These are even more serious, some of the other battle context are even wrong. It is written that Bharatpur or Dholpur were fighting Mughals when in fact in most cases it was one Mughal governor against other Mughal governor and they were choosing sides. There are other articles like this [[:Murho Estate]], none of the better reference mention it as Zamindar estate. It wasn't even a large or mediocre estate, I don't know whether every one village or two village holders etc needs article. I am tagging {{u|Fowler&fowler}} for inputs.[[User:Akalanka820|Akalanka820]] ([[User talk:Akalanka820|talk]]) 04:50, 16 October 2022 (UTC) |
::: I think editors also need to look at this article [[:Battles involving the Jat]]. This is even more shocking to me as it includes Battle of Dograi 1965, between India and Pak armies mentioned as Jat battle just because one of the unit involved was 3 Jat from Indian Army. These are even more serious, some of the other battle context are even wrong. It is written that Bharatpur or Dholpur were fighting Mughals when in fact in most cases it was one Mughal governor against other Mughal governor and they were choosing sides. There are other articles like this [[:Murho Estate]], none of the better reference mention it as Zamindar estate. It wasn't even a large or mediocre estate, I don't know whether every one village or two village holders etc needs article. I am tagging {{u|Fowler&fowler}} for inputs.[[User:Akalanka820|Akalanka820]] ([[User talk:Akalanka820|talk]]) 04:50, 16 October 2022 (UTC) |
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::::I'm tired right now. There's a newish editor Packer and Tracker, who pushes Rajput-POV and vilifies Muslims on various pages. I had to remove a part of the article in [[Muhammad of Ghor]] and will need to rewrite the lead of [[Delhi sultanate]], both of which are linked to the FA [[India]]. One headache after another. [[User:Fowler&fowler|<span style="color:#B8860B">Fowler&fowler</span>]][[User talk:Fowler&fowler|<span style="color:#708090">«Talk»</span>]] 05:12, 16 October 2022 (UTC) |
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== Requested move at [[Talk:Death and state funeral of Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani#Requested move 25 September 2022]] == |
== Requested move at [[Talk:Death and state funeral of Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani#Requested move 25 September 2022]] == |
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Reinventing history & truth
Hi guys, having seen some articles about historical events and persons that are not very widely known, I've realised that most of it is extremely unreliable. Normal nationalist POV-pushing happens usually in popular articles, but the less known ones are victims of caste-warriors, who will make their caste win a war without any reference. Not just IPs, who are usually caught due to patrollers, but long-time editors too. Look at my reversal of a hoax. It's easy to introduce hoaxes using names of real books, thinking who would ever read that, patrollers miss out on that (see article history), until someone actually reads the book. This isn't one or two articles, according to Wikipedia, the Battle of Malpura has been won by Jaipur & Marathas & Rajputs (who aren't mentioned in belligerents but whatever) at different points of article history. Sorry, but somewhere we've failed and niche historical Indian topics are more unreliable than they are reliable. (Also, keep an eye on Slayer 7928 (used no ping) who I believe is one such caste-warrior, read userpage.) —CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 21:03, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oh and did I mention how even a well known article (Indo-Pakistan War of 1971) was hijacked by caste-warriors right at the first image of the infobox until reversal. —CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 21:07, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
- Caste, or more generally the promotion of identities, sometimes ever-newer identities, religious, regional, or national, has been the bane of Wikipedia's India-related pages from the get-go. Editors who promote these edits are often not able to succeed stably or explicitly in the more well-watched pages, so they resort to flying under the radar in various ways. My compliments for noticing and fighting the trend. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 11:46, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- Last names or surnames, advertising a caste were not used much in India until the first British censuses in the latter-half the 19th-century. That trend has increased in my anecdotal evidence since, not just among Hindus and not just among "names" added by Wikipedia's caste warriors. There are more legally-changed surnames of the sort "Rajput" for Hindus who were formerly Singh or Thakur. Even among Muslims, there are "Pathans" who were formerly "Khan," signifying an Afghan origin. I can't be sure but I suspect strongly that the parents or grandparents of Sushant Singh Rajput or Irfan Pathan were not born with those last names. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 11:58, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Fowler&fowler: So I did a little search, and all hits for SSR's father points to the name K.K. Singh. Apparently, he was indeed not named Rajput. Times of India, India Today, Jagran, NDTV, Republic World. —CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 15:47, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- @CX Zoom you are right. Not just war but every Rajput related page is corrupted with hoaxes and poorly sourced nonsense. These users have even managed to create an entire Hoax article Rajput resistance to Muslim conquests (as if such a thing existed) by duplicating refs from Muslim conquests in India. Venkat TL (talk) 17:46, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- Only if we had a policy to pre-emptively tag caste-warrior-attacked articles as "potentially wrong" or something along those lines, but then, everything on Wikipedia probably belongs to the same family. —CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 19:41, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- @CX Zoom you are right. Not just war but every Rajput related page is corrupted with hoaxes and poorly sourced nonsense. These users have even managed to create an entire Hoax article Rajput resistance to Muslim conquests (as if such a thing existed) by duplicating refs from Muslim conquests in India. Venkat TL (talk) 17:46, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Fowler&fowler: So I did a little search, and all hits for SSR's father points to the name K.K. Singh. Apparently, he was indeed not named Rajput. Times of India, India Today, Jagran, NDTV, Republic World. —CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 15:47, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- I think editors also need to look at this article Battles involving the Jat. This is even more shocking to me as it includes Battle of Dograi 1965, between India and Pak armies mentioned as Jat battle just because one of the unit involved was 3 Jat from Indian Army. These are even more serious, some of the other battle context are even wrong. It is written that Bharatpur or Dholpur were fighting Mughals when in fact in most cases it was one Mughal governor against other Mughal governor and they were choosing sides. There are other articles like this Murho Estate, none of the better reference mention it as Zamindar estate. It wasn't even a large or mediocre estate, I don't know whether every one village or two village holders etc needs article. I am tagging Fowler&fowler for inputs.Akalanka820 (talk) 04:50, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- I'm tired right now. There's a newish editor Packer and Tracker, who pushes Rajput-POV and vilifies Muslims on various pages. I had to remove a part of the article in Muhammad of Ghor and will need to rewrite the lead of Delhi sultanate, both of which are linked to the FA India. One headache after another. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 05:12, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- I think editors also need to look at this article Battles involving the Jat. This is even more shocking to me as it includes Battle of Dograi 1965, between India and Pak armies mentioned as Jat battle just because one of the unit involved was 3 Jat from Indian Army. These are even more serious, some of the other battle context are even wrong. It is written that Bharatpur or Dholpur were fighting Mughals when in fact in most cases it was one Mughal governor against other Mughal governor and they were choosing sides. There are other articles like this Murho Estate, none of the better reference mention it as Zamindar estate. It wasn't even a large or mediocre estate, I don't know whether every one village or two village holders etc needs article. I am tagging Fowler&fowler for inputs.Akalanka820 (talk) 04:50, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Death and state funeral of Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani#Requested move 25 September 2022
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Death and state funeral of Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani#Requested move 25 September 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. UtherSRG (talk) 10:50, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
That probably was cryptic... why do we care about that? This RM involves about 50 state funeral articles, including at least one that is related to this WP. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:17, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
Comment on Sino-Indian War
Does anyone here know very much about the Talk:Sino-Indian War#Chinese treatment of Indians? There is a section on the Indian government's treatment of Chinese people, yet does not mention China's treatment of Indians? Does anyone here have any insights or sources regarding this particular issue? Obiwanbridget (talk) 10:59, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- I have answered at that talk page. Briefly, there is no evidence that there were any domiciled Indians in China in any notable numbers in the 1950s or early 1960s. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 11:32, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
Peringottukara Devasthanam Sree Vishnumaya Swami Temple
Perhaps someone from WP:INDIA could take a look at Peringottukara Devasthanam Sree Vishnumaya Swami Temple and assess it? It was created directly in the mainspace. It needs some formatting fixes and other cleanup, but the main problem have to do whether it meets WP:GNG. I'm not sure whether there is a specific WP:SNG for temples or other places of worship, and I'm not sure if such subjects are treated primarily as buildings, organizations or a combination of both. FWIW, I came across this via WP:THQ#why iam not able to move my page to wikepedia? and the creator Globifydigital is a relatively new WP:SPA whose only edits so far have been related to creating this article. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:58, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Kerala sacrifice case
Whether recent superstition related case has already been covered in any article? If not then I shall propose the same to be covered in Superstition in India article.
Thanks