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On 15 November 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from Great Replacement to Great Replacement conspiracy theory. The result of the discussion was moved.

The following references may be useful when improving this article in the future:

Thompson, Andrew Ifedapo; et al. (9 April 2024). "Anti-Black Political Violence and the Historical Legacy of the Great Replacement Conspiracy". Perspectives on Politics: 1–18. doi:10.1017/S1537592724000045. ISSN 1537-5927.

Edit request: Melenchon embracing Great Replacement

News item of French politician Melenchon talking about bringing about the Great Replacement:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=Wm5C6FsHoQaTthQV&v=MuZDXmpsm5w&feature=youtu.be

Should be added to the article as an example of a politician who espouses the Great Replacement 84.172.251.83 (talk) 17:39, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Another source in text form: https://www.lejdd.fr/International/grand-remplacement-quand-melenchon-appelle-a-la-conquete-demographique-de-la-france-rurale-154545 84.172.251.83 (talk) 17:41, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The article appears to be a good example of a news organisation pushing the great replacement conspiracy theory. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 18:23, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Can you explain how that is the case as Melenchon is talking about it himself? There is a video of him talking in his own words 84.172.251.83 (talk) 02:22, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

From what I've read, Melanchon is neither promoting the conspiracy theory nor is he conspiring (as an opposition politician!) to replace Français de souche with newcomers. Rather, he is describing aspects of demographic change that are actually happening in the countryside, and putting a "unique" spin on it. News outlets, in turn, are being trolled by his choice of words and adding their own layers of interpretation. I'm not seeing how any of that is relevant to this article, which has a fairly narrow focus. Newimpartial (talk) 02:44, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

From reading the article he is saying that over time all people will intermingle and the idea of being French, or nationalism in general, will become redundant. The site has taken that and used it to claim that he is trying to replace the French people, and so push the exact conspiracy theory that this article is about. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 11:05, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Suggested edit: inclusion of new source on American public support of conspiracy, and it's tie to political violence This following piece describes the unique function of the conspiracy theory in the mass American public:

Thompson, Andrew Ifedapo, Maxwell Beveridge, Stefan McCabe, Molly Ahern, Fryda Cortes, Noah Axford, and Jacqueline Martinez Franks. "Anti-Black Political Violence and the Historical Legacy of the Great Replacement Conspiracy." Perspectives on Politics (2024): 1-18. Harvard Aithomp (talk) 15:51, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please provide a more specific edit you would like to include based on this source? Simonm223 (talk) 16:41, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 19:36, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Article should be slightly more neutral

To add opinions such as "debunked" breaks with Wikipedia neutrality.

One could reference secondary sources and write "X experts claim to have debunked this theory because of A arguments". That would be neutral and still portray the argument. But to simply add "debunked" is simply not neutral.

In fact the addition of "white supremacy" is not neutral neither, since G.R.T. has a lot o defenders from people of non-European background (as the own article highlights). Again, one could write "Y experts claim the theory is white supremacist because of B" and that would be totally fine.

There are a lot of theories in Wikipedia I don't agree with and not because of that I add "debunked". I may add some points and reference the authors of such points but that is it. Wikipedia is about compiling information and their sources not ideological journalism. Pol revision (talk) 10:52, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This is not referred to as debunked and white supremacist because we don't agree with it and this article is not ideological journalism, or journalism at all. It is referred to as debunked and white supremacist because it is a racist conspiracy theory that has been thoroughly debunked. The citations are in the article. O3000, Ret. (talk) 10:58, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reliable sources call it debunked, an no reliable sources state that a shadowy cabal are deliberately replacing the white population. Not stating that fact would be WP:FALSEBALANCE.
To be clear this article is specifically about the conspiracy theory that a shadowy cabal are deliberately replacing the white population, not general demographic changes that have their own articles. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 13:12, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I do agree that the article should be more neutral. The article dedicates a lot of space to detailing what the conspiracy theory entails and comparatively very little to systemically dismantling the claims and explaining why they are false. There are multiple assertions that the conspiracy theory is debunked and that experts dismiss it. A good portion of the article is also dedicated to the association with white supremacists and neonazis. But hardly any paragraphs focus on the actual debunking, and explaining why this theory does not hold up to scrutiny. 46.97.170.73 (talk) 17:25, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The conspiracy theory is an exceptional claim. Exceptional claims require exceptional sources. Absent those sources, after so many years and attempts at a proof, reliable sources say that the claim is false. Reading the external links will provide far more info. O3000, Ret. (talk) 18:59, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Criteria

Does wiki have any hard line on what it would look like it? What's the criteria to call something replaced? 2600:1017:B14B:5D75:4CB5:914E:38E6:4019 (talk) 18:20, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We use reliable sources for this. O3000, Ret. (talk) 18:50, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Debunked?

Seems like an odd choice of words. How do you debunk racism? Jaybainshetland (talk) 19:12, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You don't debunk racism. You debunk a conspiracy theory. Read the article. O3000, Ret. (talk) 19:31, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Debunked?

If this theory has been debunked, would it then make sense to add a quantitative analysis showing that? I have looked at data from statistics offices from various European countries, and the data seems to confirm the theory in some countries. 82.147.226.185 (talk) 21:20, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This article is not about natural changes in demographics. It is about a specific conspiracy theory. O3000, Ret. (talk) 21:30, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about a supposed conspiracy by a shadowy group of elites who want to replace the french population with immigrants, nonsense later taken up by conspiracy theorists in other countries. So unless those statistics are about how many supposed shadowy groups of elites exist they won't be relevant. If you're looking for articles about demographic changes there are many on Wikipedia, for instance Demographics of France has a whole section on changes to ethnicity overtime. You'll find articles for most countries with similar information. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 22:27, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]