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Former good article nomineeHazaras was a good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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November 25, 2009Good article nomineeNot listed

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 15 November 2024

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I want to include the total population of Hazaras "c. 10-12 million"[1] according to the source in the article.--Snaretusk (talk) 10:53, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Ultraodan (talk) 09:07, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Hazara Research Collective -Written evidence (AFG0008)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 November 2024

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1. Under 20 and 21st century, I'm requesting to add further information about the Mazar-e Sharif massacre and link the wiki page to it (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_Mazar-i-Sharif_massacre). The main source for the massacre is from Human Rights Watch.

https://www.hrw.org/legacy/reports98/afghan/Afrepor0.htm

2. I'm requesting to add a separate section about Hazara embroidery, which is an important part of Hazara culture.

Sources: https://trc-leiden.nl/trc-needles/regional-traditions/iranian-plateau/hazara-embroidery-afghanistan

https://camilcollection.com/blog#:~:text=The%20Hazaras%20from%20central%20Afghanistan,work%20rather%20than%20freestyle%20embroidery.

https://www.vam.ac.uk/event/R7BV5VdP7L/hazara-dress-and-embroidery-from-afghanistan?srsltid=AfmBOop450aRPlfbkVRbiIUgL_1dYvAdZ3kwdk02zT-_c0ab5NXQ0Y2m

https://www.womenrise.art/story/hazara-artist-latifa-attaii


Thank you. Tigerlily143 (talk) 05:53, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done for now: Please write out exactly what you want put in the article Ultraodan (talk) 09:08, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

not being neutral

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It is interesting In the section on the origin of the Hazara people, only the Mongol theory is mentioned a lot, while there are many theories and the author tried to call them only Mongols. Matinhossainpour (talk) 00:23, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 January 2025

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In the "Cultural sports" section, the text "Kushti" links to the wrong article. Please remove the link from the "Kushti" text, as the article it should link to is already linked two words earlier. Empika1 (talk) 18:47, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Ultraodan (talk) 12:33, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This article is not impartial

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This article is not impartial. This article tries to emphasize the theory that the Hazara people are Mongols. AlAdnaln (talk) 16:06, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Population estimates

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@Shishaz Are you kidding me? You can't just talk whatever you want in regards to this topic. "Kindly refrain from removing content and sources without providing a valid justification"? Brother, the sources that you use are unsuitable as the "14 million" and "25 per cent" claim is based on a letter written by the World Hazara Council which makes it a BIASED source. Name one unbiased source that claims that high of a number. I'll help you: you won't find any. And even if you do: why should it be ignored if the MAJORITY of unbiased sources talk about those 9 per cent? Because it doesn't fit your agenda? (Why of course it's because of that) "The preservation of accurate and verifiable information is fundamental to maintaining the integrity of the work"? Then try to find verifiable information before deleting my UNBIASED SOURCES. "Unjustified deletions of content and sources not only disrupt the collaborative process but also constitute a form of vandalism"??? Unjustified are only your actions when you delete evidence that put those inflated numbers INTO CONTEXT as these claims are not what the majority of unbiased (!!!) sources claim. So stop trying to push your agenda here, the only person that vandalising here is YOU. One of the sources that claimed the alleged 20 per cent in reality even claims 9 percent of the population too back in 1983 already. Why should the numbers that Louis Dupree, one of the most renowned historians about Afghanistan, the European Commission, the United Nations, the Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada, the Minority Rights Group International, the World Factbook and MANY MORE UNBIASED SOURCES (I can find even more for you if you want to) not be considered but the numbers from the WORLD HAZARA COUNCIL should be???????? Seriously, some things you can't even make up *shaking head*. If you try to delete my text again without regard to my answers here, I'll report you for vandalism. Have a nice day. SdHb (talk) 08:34, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not kidding. It is you who appear to be making light of the situation to justify your own omissions. You are the one removing sources and information (e.g "ENDURING AND OVERCOMING: THE STRUGGLE OF THE HAZARAS IN AFGHANISTAN" [Report of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Development] (PDF), from ourcommons.ca) based on biased claims, while dismissing any sources that do not align with your views as "biased"—a claim that I could just as easily make about your approach. Your edits, which delete properly sources and sourced content, reflect a clear bias. Like, in the article on Pashtuns, you have inflated the population figures, while here, you are unfairly minimizing the figures related to the Hazaras. This selective editing is biased and concerning. I respectfully urge you to stop removing sourced material and to refrain from making edits that could be considered vandalism. Let’s work together to ensure the content remains balanced, factual, and sourced. Shishaz (talk) 08:47, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Shishaz You still haven't shown me any source that claims Hazaras make up 8 to 10 million people other than that one that is based on an estimation of the World Hazara Council which can't be more unbiased and there disqualifies as a source! Name one reason why all of the other unbiased sources should be ignored but the only biased source that you bring up should be considered. Don't you think this the opposite of "balanced, factual, and sourced"? Isn't it better if the majority of the unbiased sources should be the foundation of a population estimation rather than what the World Hazara Council propagates into the world? Every, and I mean EVERY other source that I have seen shows nothing quite in the direction of what your sources claims. Not this, not this, not this, not this, not anything. So tell me: why should this claim stay there? Also what I find funny: "Content should not be removed or altered without consensus, especially when it is supported by sources" So why did you remove the sourced content that I put up? SdHb (talk) 13:25, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It is only you who determines the sources as biased and unbiased. You have arbitrarily adjusted the total population of the Hazaras to 6 million and significantly reduced the estimated Hazara population in Afghanistan from the original 8 to 10 million down to 3.7 million, contradicting the data provided by the original source. By removing the original source and substituting it with less reliable alternatives, you compromise the accuracy and credibility of the information presented. In such instances, I reserve the right to reinstate the content from the original source to maintain accuracy and correctness. Shishaz (talk) 10:52, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
And now, you have reduced the total Hazara population from 14 million to 4.5–8 million, disregarding the figures provided by the original source.
Thanks! Shishaz (talk) 10:59, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, it is you who is disregarding what the sources say. Can you please explain how World Hazara Council is WP:RS? And why did you restore the edit of a sock who has hounded this article for years [1] [2]? HistoryofIran (talk) 11:39, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
These sources (joshuaproject.net) and (www.sciencedirect.com) are not WP:RS, why should they be verified? Shishaz (talk) 11:50, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Can you please answer my questions instead of deflecting? HistoryofIran (talk) 11:51, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You consider one source unreliable and the other not, but why replace the unreliable source with another unreliable source? Shishaz (talk) 12:16, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
SdHb changes the sourced material before reaching consensus, but this is their responsibility. Changes to the article should only be made once consensus is reached. Shishaz (talk) 12:16, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Deflecting again, because it is inconvenient for you, including the question on why you restored the incredbily specific edit of a sock. I won't beat around the bush, you're clearly a sock of Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Iampharzad and co [3]. I'll file an SPI on you later. HistoryofIran (talk) 12:20, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Allow me to clarify, that account does not belong to me. Your judgments seem to be founded on erroneous assumptions, and you are unwarrantedly challenging my edits, all the while neglecting to engage with me in a meaningful and respectful manner. Shishaz (talk) 12:29, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That so? Let me ask you again: Why did you restore such a very specific edit of a sock? HistoryofIran (talk) 12:33, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Could you clarify which edition you are referring to? Shishaz (talk) 12:35, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have already linked it up above. HistoryofIran (talk) 12:39, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Upon thorough review of the edits in question, I can categorically state that none of the associated users are connected to me in any capacity. Consequently, I cannot be held liable for the actions or editorial contributions of others. Editorial accountability lies with each individual contributor, and I remain solely responsible for the edits I have personally made. Shishaz (talk) 13:11, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for giving me more evidence. I'll file the SPI later when I'm home. HistoryofIran (talk) 13:35, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
While you may seek to impede my edits through these veiled threats, I remain resolute in my position. Your consistent avoidance of addressing my legitimate inquiries, paired with your apparent freedom to act unilaterally, does little to diminish my unwavering confidence in both the validity of my actions and the integrity of my contributions. I stand firm in my convictions and in the transparency of my approach. Shishaz (talk) 13:51, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Using AI to write your comments… HistoryofIran (talk) 15:34, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@HistoryofIran 👏. SdHb (talk) 16:15, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The two sources that you mention reflect the common consensus (as clearly shown in every link that you can find in the infobox + here in the discussion) that the Hazaras only make up c. 9% of the Afghan people (in whatever point of time, the population in Afghanistan is growing by millions each year), not 25% as claimed by the World Hazara Council. So let's ask once again in the hope of finally finding an answer: Why should the numbers of the World Hazara Council be considered a reliable source? (Pro tip: creating answer on ChatGPT won't help here). SdHb (talk) 16:14, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You consider the source ("ENDURING AND OVERCOMING: THE STRUGGLE OF THE HAZARAS IN AFGHANISTAN" [Report of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Development]) as unreliable, but the sources you added, such as "joshuaproject.net) and (www.sciencedirect.com), are clearly unreliable. How can you consider them reliable, and how do you justify replacing one unreliable source with another unreliable? Please give a convincing answer. Extra comments like (Pro tip: creating answer on ChatGPT won't help here) won't solve our problem. Shishaz (talk) 17:05, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Pages like the Joshua Project are a extension of what the general consensus reflects on the matter of worldwide population. They have no conflict of interest whatsoever because 1. their mission is to reach out to potential new Christians, which cannot be further away from any source of local conflict, and 2. they get their data from global and regional, unbiased sources like Ethnologue, World Factbook etc. In other words, they don't have an advantage in shrinking or inflating the size of a people group. This is the difference between sources like this and the WORLD HAZARA COUNCIL, whose whole mission is (and I quote) to "represent(...) Hazara communities globally", "to promote the cultural, social and civil rights of the Hazara people and to advocate on their behalf in the media, before governments, and with civil society organizations." and "to represent the diversity of Hazara communities and organizations worldwide and to facilitate cooperation between them". If one tries to use numbers that an organization like this propagates, that alone would be a textbook example of using a biased source! So that is why any document that uses numbers that come directly from this source are indeed unreliable as they are not unbiased! That is the other key difference: The numbers that the Joshua Project and the article in the renowned and peer-reviewed academic Forensic Science International journal (and not "ScienceDirect", as you claimed) use are backed up by other unbiased sources such as European Commission, the United Nations, the Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada, the Minority Rights Group International, the World Factbook and so on. That makes them reliable, in contrast to your source! SdHb (talk) 17:41, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You only cite estimates that put the percentage of Hazaras in Afghanistan at 9 percent, while forgetting that estimates other than the World Hazara Council discuss a percentage of 20, 25, and 30 percent.National Geographic Magazine - NGM.com (archive.org), Afghanistan: The Hazara dread | Lowy Institute, ushmm.org: Urgent Action Needed: Hazaras in Afghanistan Under Attack ["International Relations and Defence Committee: The UK and Afghanistan, Call for Evidence" [Written Submission by the Hazara Research Collective]. 6 September 2020.], hansard.parliament.uk: Hazaras in Afghanistan... These population estimates should be considered, especially since they seem more plausible. Shishaz (talk) 18:24, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Dear @SdHb, or it would be better to restore the version before the editorial dispute because this number you added really contradicts other estimates.
Hazara
هزاره
Azra
آزره
Hazara school girls in Bamyan
Regions with significant populations
 Afghanistan6,000,000[1][2]
 Pakistan1,000,000[3]
 Iran500,000 (2014)[4]
 Europe130,000[5]
 Australia41,766[6]
 Turkey26,000[7]
 Indonesia3,800[8]
 Canada3,580[9]
Languages
Religion
[10][11]
Related ethnic groups
[12][13][14][15][16][17][18][19][20][21][22]
Shishaz (talk) 18:42, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
SPI filed Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Iampharzad. HistoryofIran (talk) 20:53, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sigh.. Shishaz (talk) 10:07, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Given that no consensus has yet been achieved, it is imperative that no changes be implemented at this stage. Any alterations to the content should be deferred until a clear and substantiated consensus is reached. You have reverted the recent changes that had removed sourced content. Shishaz (talk) 13:28, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Removal of Sourced Content Prior to Consensus

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A discernible and troubling pattern of edits has emerged, characterized by the systematic removal of sourced content, in clear violation of Wikipedia’s editorial guidelines. These deletions have been accompanied by the insertion of materially biased content, which severely distorts the representation of the Hazara population. These actions have been undertaken unilaterally, without the requisite consensus and in blatant disregard for Wikipedia’s core policies governing verifiability, neutrality, and the collaborative editing process. I respectfully call upon the Wikipedia editing community, including administrators, to thoroughly review this situation, intervene where necessary, and take decisive action to ensure that all future edits are made in strict accordance with Wikipedia’s foundational principles of neutrality, verifiability, consensus, and constructive engagement. Shishaz (talk) 14:20, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Using AI to write your comments, twice. HistoryofIran (talk) 15:39, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry, but it doesn't seem like your actions are helping Wikipedia's contributions. Please take action on me if you have a grudge. Or answer questions related to the article discussion. Shishaz (talk) 17:18, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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