Talk:Mugging

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Short description: Form of robbery

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A fact from Mugging appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 26 March 2025 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that when the crime of mugging gained attention in the UK, one book argued that there was no crime as such?

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The result was: promoted by LunaEclipse talk 19:43, 17 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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... that when the crime of mugging gained attention in the UK, one book argued that there was no such crime?

Source: [1] They argue: 1. There is no legal category of 'mugging' as such: 'muggings' actually span a number of legal categories ...

ALT1: ... that mugging has been blamed on fans of funk music? Source: [2] The newspapers blamed gangs of funkeiros, or fans of Brazilian funk music, which came to the beaches on buses from neighbourhoods in the poorer areas of the city.
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Moved to mainspace by Vigilantcosmicpenguin (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 34 past nominations.

— Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 04:53, 14 March 2025 (UTC).[reply]

Article is in great shape, all things seems to be in line with DYK criteria, both hooks look nice to be featured! Arconning (talk) 16:41, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Order of "Works cited"?

@Vigilantcosmicpenguin, TechnoSquirrel69, Robertsky, Rodw, ThaesOfereode, and Jlwoodwa: Greetings and felicitations. Currently the "Works cited" subsection is (per the comment) "ordered by frequency of citation". Is that sustainable? Also, IMHO it makes it difficult to find a particular cited reference, and it definitely is not intuitive. Might we change it to the standard alphabetical order? —DocWatson42 (talk) 01:00, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I think it should be changed. Is "by frequency" used by any major citation style at all? ThaesOfereode (talk) 01:03, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

MLA and APA uses by alphabetical last name of first author. If same last name, then by year of publication. – robertsky (talk) 01:20, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Offhand, Chicago adds that if there is no credited author, the publisher is used. At least that's what I use. —DocWatson42 (talk) 01:25, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Honestly can't remember why I chose this ordering. You're right that it's unintuitive; I agree that a more standard order would make more sense. — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 01:18, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any objection to my changing it (it will likely be a few days until I have the time)? —DocWatson42 (talk) 17:25, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps next week? —DocWatson42 (talk) 05:12, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Fixed some harv errors while I was at it. ThaesOfereode (talk) 11:48, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

'Mugging originated in 1940s United States'

The text says 'Mugging originated in 1940s United States, when blackouts of World War II enabled committing crimes in the dark.' And to the right of this claim, there is a picture of a '1904 newspaper illustration of a mugging, described as a "hold-up"'. This is an obvious contradiction. Even without the picture, I find it obviously untrue that there were no cases of 'robbery and street crime ... in public places' anywhere in the world (or even just in the US) before the 1940s. 62.73.72.3 (talk) 05:56, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

OK, now I see that the text later says that the concept of mugging originated in 1940s United States. That's a very different claim. I've corrected the sentence in the lede accordingly. I still don't know that this says much more besides the fact that there arose a separate English-language word for mugging distinct from the word for robbery in general.--62.73.72.3 (talk) 06:08, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]