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A fact from Remember Monday appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 21 May 2025 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Elizabeth II once asked a future member (pictured) of the "What the Hell Just Happened?" girlband Remember Monday why she was not wearing shoes?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2025/May. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Remember Monday.

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Kingsif talk 00:37, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Remember Monday in 2024

... that Elizabeth II once asked a future member of the "What the Hell Just Happened?" girlband Remember Monday (pictured) why she was barefoot?
- ALT1: ... that the "What the Hell Just Happened?" girlband Remember Monday (pictured) are set to become the first girlband to represent the BBC at the Eurovision Song Contest since 1999?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Raj Salwan
- Comment: I just expanded Remember Monday to get it over 1,500 characters; What the Hell Just Happened? is almost entirely a driveby nomination. It would be great if this could run on 17 May, which is the date the band are set to perform that song on the Eurovision Song Contest, which is more than six weeks away, so remind me to put in a request at WT:DYK. I'm also aiming to make Holly Hull (ALT0's "a future member") into a GA by then. (I rewrote it in early February after their participation was rumbled, with the expectation that the BBC would announce it properly fairly quickly. They didn't.)

Created by Launchballer (talk) and CeolAnGhra (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 285 past nominations.

Laun chba ller 19:19, 14 March 2025 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: a) Note - Remember Monday was subjected to sock edits. But I presume that user:Ponyo got them all, and am not aware that that would still be a problem for this DYK - people should let me know if I am incorrect on that.b) Because this nomination offers two bolded articles, a second qpq is required (one is required for each nominated article, and only one has been performed as of yet ). c) I prefer the initial hook. d) Earwig found violation to be unlikely and spotchecks did not yield concerns. e) The main hook does not have any ref at the sentence in the article in which the statement is made.

Raj Salwan is a double nomination. I added a duplicate ref. Also, for what it's worth, I just put in a date request at WT:DYK#Date request and moved and GAN'd Holly-Anne Hull.--Laun chba ller 09:30, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you - can you point me to the rule that says that a qpq for a double nomination counts for two qpqs? Also, I see that there is now a ref for the barefoot statement, but can you let me know what the applicable text in the ref says? 2603:7000:2101:AA00:297A:9E33:47F1:40D7 (talk) 03:52, 18 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

WP:QPQ says "Where a nomination offers more than one new or expanded article, an article-for-article quid pro quo (QPQ) is required for each nominated article." Both this and Salwan are two articles and one nomination. Also, the source says "Elizabeth II even joked with Hull, then 11, about her not having any shoes on, which was part of her costume.".--Laun chba ller 12:05, 18 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks - as to the quote, that refers to what I had pointed to above, but what I was looking for was something indicating that a qpq of a dyk with two new or expanded articles counts as two qpqs. I can see a reasonable argument there, but no statement to that effect. If there isn't a statement that supports that, perhaps some editor more experienced than I am might give their opinion. user:schwede66 - do you have a view? Also - perhaps an easy fix to the hook -- the quote you helpfully supplied does not indicate that the queen asked her why she was barefoot. Just that she joked with her about it. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:CCE9:EA6F:E89F:1E6A (talk) 18:12, 18 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies, the correct quote is in this source. I'll add it with the image.--Laun chba ller 19:58, 18 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That does support that hook. Thank you. I am still not sure what the answer is to my qpq question above. Do you have a supporting link? 2603:7000:2101:AA00:6D19:C85B:8EDA:E45A (talk) 05:35, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I consider that the above quote supports my point. I am disinclined to post again at WT:DYK given my date request fell on deaf ears (though you are free to do so yourself), but I can tell you that I've had several recent joint QPQs fly on this basis (Ceechynaa, The Cock Destroyers, Anaïs Gallagher) - perhaps @Jolielover:, @Narutolovehinata5:, or @Crisco 1492: would like to opine.--Laun chba ller 12:18, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I found an image in File:The Jennifer Hudson Show Garcelle Beauvais 1924.webm and have put in a request at the photography workshop.--Laun chba ller 13:04, 17 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Good find. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:297A:9E33:47F1:40D7 (talk) 04:01, 18 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

To answer the above question regarding QPQs: yes, QPQs are per article, not necessarily per nomination. So for example, if a hook has two bolded articles, that nomination will require two QPQs from the nominator. At the same time, if a reviewer reviews the nomination and thus both articles, they now have two QPQs, which they can use in two nominations (one for each bolded article). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:11, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:D82E:C160:5621:130D (talk) 21:25, 22 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I got fed up of waiting for my photography request to go through, so I added the video and added the source while I was at it. I remain of the view that this should run on 17 May despite my ignored WT:DYK request (or at the very least, not until I've taken Holly-Anne Hull through a GA review circle, which I will do once I've finished with Talk:WTLV/GA1).--Laun chba ller 14:03, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5: Holly-Anne Hull is currently being reviewed. As Vivian Wilson was quickfailed and not actually reviewed, does its QPQ count as used?--Laun chba ller 11:44, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The "rule" that claimed that quickfail reviews do not count as QPQs was removed recently per a WT:DYK discussion, so absent any evidence to the contrary, quickfails should count as a QPQ like any other full review. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:47, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies for not being clear. My Sobrevivendo no Inferno QPQ, which I used for Wilson, could I use it for Hull or not?--Laun chba ller 11:51, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:QPQ, QPQs can only be used for one nomination regardless of their outcome. So no: even if Wilson was quickfailed, the QPQ used for that cannot be re-used. You will need to provide a new QPQ. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:06, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Point taken; Hull is now a GA and my QPQ is Maharani (song).

ALT2: ... that Elizabeth II once asked a future member of the "What the Hell Just Happened?" girlband Remember Monday (pictured) why she was barefoot? (This is no longer in Remember Monday as it technically violated WP:INDISCRIMINATE but is in Hull's article.)--Laun chba ller 14:59, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Full review needed for Hull's article.--Laun chba ller 19:50, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Remember Monday in 2025

Also, a new image was recently uploaded to Commons, so I suggest using it in the nom; could crop further to just Hull and move the marker.--Laun chba ller 09:41, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Holly-Anne Hull in 2025

Thanks @Procrastineur49:. ALT2a: ... that Elizabeth II once asked a future member (pictured) of the "What the Hell Just Happened?" girlband Remember Monday why she was barefoot?--Laun chba ller 22:26, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Query: Which review(s) are being used for QPQ? From all the above I'm not sure which are being used, which were checked, and whether a third was added for the third hook article. – Reidgreg (talk) 14:54, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Maharani was added for Hull and Raj Salwan covers both Remember Monday and What the Hell Just Happened.--Laun chba ller 14:59, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, Template:Did you know nominations/Raj Salwan is a double-hook review and counts for the first two, and Template:Did you know nominations/Maharani (song) covers the third.

– Reidgreg (talk) 15:23, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ALT2, ALT2a as pertaining to Holly-Anne Hull ("a future member" in the hook), the third hook article added to the nomination. New enough (added to nomination on 28 March, the day it passed GAN), long enough, citations to reliable sources, neutral, no BLP or COPYVIO issues detected, presentable, and interesting. Hook fact (ALT2, 2a) is cited in article to a reliable secondary source, of good length and interesting. The two images are each in the article, have CC licenses, and display well at size. QPQ done. – Reidgreg (talk) 15:23, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Which sixth form college?

The career section currently says they met at The Sixth Form College Farnborough citing a BBC news live page^[1] but that page says "[..] sixth form college in Farnham, Surrey"^[2].

Local and national publications disagree on which college the group met at. The Guardian^[3], Independent^[4] and the Mirror^[5] all say Farnham whilst local publications Hampshire Life^[6] and Farnham Herald^[7] and Hampshire Chronicle^[8] say Farnborough. The only national that says Farnborough is the Telegraph^[9].

UndefinedRachel (talk) 11:13, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Eh, it's not that important, so trimmed it. I'll see if I can find a podcast if I ever take this to GA.--Laun chba ller 11:18, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Oliverc.jwilliams: Care to explain how the specific town they're from is "very crucial to them becoming a band"?--Laun chba ller 13:24, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's all just Eurovision nonsense - they aren't a 'band' in any real sense, just three young singers working in musical theatre and showbusiness. They'll be mostly forgotten by the summer. The new Spice Girls they ain't. --Ef80 (talk) 18:48, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

And a forum this ain't.--Laun chba ller 12:50, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Well they met at Farnborough Sixth Form College as they have stated, and there is no doubt that they wouldn't have formed had it not been for that. 86.17.252.21 (talk) 17:02, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I replaced the existing sources with that Instagram post as I don't trust WP:IBTIMES or Eurovoix for WP:BLP material. Otherwise, thank you.--Laun chba ller 12:50, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

IS or ARE debate

Help, i accidentally stumbled into an edit war! ...Well, maybe not a war. An edit spat? but one that probably extends far beyond this article. We may need to update the Manual of Style.

Remember Monday is a girl group
- Remember Monday are a girl group
is special:diff/1279238797 by Special:Contributions/2A01:36D:1200:237E:2CDC:6E5B:536D:5586
- are special:diff/1279310272 by Special:Contributions/212.181.195.151
is special:diff/1290506609 by Special:Contributions/193.223.71.15
- are special:diff/1290924111 Use British English to describe a British band. by Special:Contributions/Thargol
is special:diff/1290974449 by me (~ 70.22.1.45 (talk))
- are special:diff/1291030454 by Special:Contributions/86.17.252.21

i wouldn't have guessed British English would use the word are in this case and don't know if that's true (but i know plenty of native speakers of American English who don't speak/write American English correctly). Wikipedia:British English redirects to Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Spelling, but this is more of a grammar issue. Wikipedia's Manual Of Style does say "An article on a topic that has strong ties to a particular English-speaking nation should use the (formal, not colloquial) English of that nation", but does the Manual Of Style or any other reliable source say British band names use plural verbs (in formal, not colloquial English) even if the names aren't plural nouns?

Wishing everyone safe, happy, productive editing. --70.22.1.45 (talk) 20:33, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Basically resolved here: An article on a topic that has strong ties to a particular English-speaking nation should use the (formal, not colloquial) English of that nation, and since Remember Monday are a British group, their article should use British English, and the Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Plurals section shows that to mean notional agreement for collective nouns acting as English plurals.

Still wishing everyone safe, happy, productive editing. --70.22.1.45 (talk) 03:42, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

[1] "Country trio Remember Monday to represent UK at Eurovision 2025".

[2] ttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cvg1pdne45qt?post=asset%3Ad6ab5671-da24-4373-aa0f-b36784f68562#post

[3] ttps://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2025/mar/07/uk-eurovision-2025-act-announced-as-remember-monday

[4] ttps://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/eurovision/remember-monday-eurovision-2025-uk-what-the-hell-lyrics-b2710742.html

[5] ttps://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/remember-monday-represent-uk-eurovision-34656435

[6] ttps://www.greatbritishlife.co.uk/magazines/hampshire/25086421.remember-monday-uk-eurovision-2025-entrys-rise-fame/

[7] ttps://www.farnhamherald.com/news/entertainment/former-farnham-students-chosen-as-uks-eurovision-entry-771972

[8] ttps://www.hampshirechronicle.co.uk/news/24990082.hampshire-country-band-represent-uk-eurovision-2025/

[9] ttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/music/interviews/eurovision-remember-monday-what-the-hell-just-happened/

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